There's a special tool for when INFps start talking nonsense.Originally Posted by Ezra
There's a special tool for when INFps start talking nonsense.
I disdain most things I can't have. But there are some desires that I like to keep near the surface.
But yeah, I also am turned off by overly needy people, and I try to keep my personal needy-ness very private and individual. I've always been a cat person too. I hate dogs. Too needy, want to much attention, yuck. Cats are nice and will leave you alone if you want them to. But then at the same time, they inhabit your space, you know?
Thanks, dumbass.Well said, gayboy.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
I had a cat that wanted constant attention.
You seem to post a lot here for someone who's cool been ms. lonestar.
Be more vague.
I like that Thompson quote, Starfall. People in this thread are interpreting it too dramatically I think.
When you're dead, you're dead. You can't look back.
The problem with cats is that they're kind of useless, and they linger around. And they try to rub themselves up against you and ingraniate themselves. But they serve no useful purpose.
If they sense that you don't want them around then they'll keep more distance then when you're not paying attention they'll try and sneak into your space. If you don't pay them attention they'll start acting up to get attention. And they're kind of gross, and move against the flow of other people.
Dogs, will move when you move. And be still when you're still. Cats will move when you're still, and pause when you move. Then they'll try and counter your moves and blah blah. So reactive. So contrary.
That said, I've never had my own cat, nor my own dog. I've lived with cats and dogs a few times. And random cats, dogs etc. I often don't notice cats the first time I visit somewhere, but dogs will tend to come up to me. And if I'm around dogs too much they seem to follow me. And if I'm around cats too much they tend to avoid me.
ALTHOUGH, one thing I've noticed is that cats tend to like slower movements where dogs are fine when you move fast. Like if you move fast a dog will just kind of be around and active and so forth. Whereas a cat will watch from a distance and be "unsure" about being nearby. A dog might bark, and sometimes dogs will playfight with each other. But cats don't really fight they go at each other. Cats are a lot more violent. Dogs it's just a kind of loud sometimes etc. But it's more controlled. Whereas cats bite and scratch and so forth. So if you want a cat to come to you, you have to be quieter and slower and kind of let them come to you. And if you want a dog to come to you you just have to be there and just do things. Thing is if you do things with a cat around it may try and get in your way, or act haphazardly where dogs seem to be more aware of space and don't try and trip you up.
That's a lot of good Se perception.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
he's full of it. (Se perception, that is. although he's probably full of a lot of other stuff too. lol)
I like it when he analyzes these stuff, makes me think how I would look at the world if I were a Beta ST, reading their description/observation you can kind of imagine how they live day to day and what goes into their mind.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Crazedrat's post has me thinking about how easy it is for conflicting relations to start:
ESTj and INFp like to take it easy and let things flow in time, they don't rush into a relationship.
ESTp and INFj like to get to the point and get things done, so they rush into a relationship.
Usualy, INFj's are irritated by how slow ESTj's move and want to rush, but are met with pushes. I'm not sure about ESTp/INFp relations and how those go. But, I'm sure INFp's want to go slow.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 07-21-2010 at 06:49 AM.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
this stuff or these things. not these stuff. fullstop after beta st.
HAHA!There's a special tool for when INFps start talking nonsense.
Can't help it, I pretty much see things realistically. IEIs are like cryptic mystery boxes to me. And yet somehow, they appreciate me :/
I guess this is what it's all about then. IEIs and SLEs take FUCKING AGES to actually properly dualise because each is afraid of getting hurt by the other. It's extremely frustrating. Part of the reason I won't fully give myself to her is because I'm afraid of being hurt by her because she's afraid of being hurt by me. The only reason she's unsure is because she's being self-preservationist; she says she has to wait for certain things to happen, but those things are never going to happen unless she lets her guard down. Likewise, if I don't let my guard down, I can't show her I'm not going to hurt her.I feel the same way.
You are fucking cool. And hot.
No way. I'm driven by guardedness. (See above)
Why do you spend so much time posting in this forum? It's supposed to be everything you devalue/find virtually intolerable, and yet you seem to dedicate most of your energy to the Betas on this forum.
I think I spy a Beta.
ezra one can't be driven by guardedness. one can be guarded by being "driven" and not wanting to stay open in case there could be a problem. that's lazy and makes one wonder what one is being so driven in the pursuit off though.
when one focuses too much on specific things other things can fall by the wayside... and sometimes one has to take into account the priorites of ones live.
that said, speaking in the third person sucks after a while.
Sic 'em.
you ravenous beast! how dare you let the likes of ezra in our fair circle.
the dogs in full heat will be tempted by the flesh blood. and how shall we calm them?
u make me laugh.
aren't you supposed to be sleeping. lol
who am i to do as i should
never stair down at a pit bull they say.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
stare.
It'd probably push her down the stairs with it's fierce head.stare.
ahhahaha
What do you mean "Give your self to"? Like opening up? Telling her how you really feel? Deep dark secrets?
Easy Day
No, like three foot, one-eyed, narcissistic Jewish birthday clowns.
You know what, there's too much descrimination in your post here again, you are using Fi DS and if you don't learn to listen to me, your Fe is going to suffer A LOT as a result and it's already very apparent in the way you call attention to yourself with such emotional responses.
Can't you see that I'm reacting to your statements? Not because I want to make trouble with you to aggrivate, annoy or to irritate you more, but balance this effect. Talk to Airborn and maybe re read Squak's comment in how role manifest in LSI.
At some point you gotta realize that adapting to Fi values is a healthy thing. The reverse effect is happening to you that squak is talking about in his/her post In here...
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/671361-post18.html
Just find an Fi who you're comfortable with and start listening to them, that would help a little.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 07-21-2010 at 11:49 PM.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Good point. I actually don't really know, when it comes to it. I'm not even sure it's tangible. I guess I just gotta make her realise I'm not going to hurt her. Over a period of time.
We've discussed it before. I think the only way things will change is when both of us REALISE something, whatever that something is. There's no reason it shouldn't work.
ARROGANTTTGlad you noticed.
Give up. Socionics lesson number one: you're not going to make one type into another. Some people are always going to piss you off. Some people you're always going to just like being around. This is applicable beyond socionics.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
it just occurred to me what a stupid title this thread is. "can you see yourself with your dual longterm?" what the hell. if you can't say yes to this question, you must not think socionics is worth shit. (and if that's the case, fair enough. lol)
Not everyone has faith.
You don't sound like you're in a good place.
Ezra's all about the deep dark secrets. Did you know he was a hemaphrodite?:
Au contraire, I'm in a fantastic place right now. I'm just overdramatic
ONLY YOU KNOW THIS. NOW THE FORUM KNOWS. FUCKER.
nothing cuter than an overdramatic SLE.Au contraire, I'm in a fantastic place right now. I'm just overdramatic
*MARITSA* says I'm not Beta. Does any other retard? Oh yeah, Ashton. HAH! What a retard.
I think that every beta trolls it up a bit online except for EIEs .The same applies to alphas except for ESEs.So don't get upset,Maritsa.
Who cares about the longterm ?
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