Jim Carrey

[Marie84]

My own theory (and this is pure speculation) is that Carrey's parents were(are?) Alpha, and in trying to entertain them, Carrey adopted an ESE persona. His exaggerated physicality (the crazy faces, the wild movements, etc.) may be the result of trying to use his Vulnerable Si on "overload", to simulate the way ESE uses Si to generate Fe. Note how Robin Williams, for example, uses a lot of the same sort of physicality in his comedy, but is much more controlled and deliberate about it.

I never really thought about this but that's a good point

[Suz]

My own theory (and this is pure speculation) is that Carrey's parents were(are?) Alpha, and in trying to entertain them, Carrey adopted an ESE persona. His exaggerated physicality (the crazy faces, the wild movements, etc.) may be the result of trying to use his Vulnerable Si on "overload", to simulate the way ESE uses Si to generate Fe. Note how Robin Williams, for example, uses a lot of the same sort of physicality in his comedy, but is much more controlled and deliberate about it.

I never really thought about this but that's a good point

So the grimacing is Si POLR then? I dont get it.

[Krig the Viking]

So the grimacing is Si POLR then? I dont get it.

The main problem with the PoLR function is that one has no ability to fine-tune it -- when we try to use it, it's always either way too much, or way too little. Jim Carrey, when in his crazy persona, uses way too much.

[Marie84]

The main problem with the PoLR function is that one has no ability to fine-tune it -- when we try to use it, it's always either way too much, or way too little. Jim Carrey, when in his crazy persona, uses way too much.

yeah; Carrey comes across as more awkward and unpolished with his physical presentation than I'd expect from a sensory ego in general. It seems like he tries to over-compensate for it, in this sense

Correction: Conan is NOT ISTp, he's ENTp.

From watching his interview with Charlie Rose I'm quite confident he's an LIE; his real life persona and motivation bears a stark contrast to his TV one. Here's a quote from it that I saved; shows a priority on Gamma IE values

"I've always been a really hardworker, I come across as this happy-go-lucky...I'm an extremely hard worker, and I'm very intense. And up until than everything that I achieved in life had been back-breakingly hard for me. I felt like it had taken a huge effort to get good grades and write a great paper and to do well, it had all been a lot of effort"

[Suz]

The main problem with the PoLR function is that one has no ability to fine-tune it -- when we try to use it, it's always either way too much, or way too little. Jim Carrey, when in his crazy persona, uses way too much.

But isn't that the case with any weak function?

I just dont understand how the grimacing is a manifestation of Si, as opposed to Fe.

[Krig the Viking]

But isn't that the case with any weak function?

I just dont understand how the grimacing is a manifestation of Si, as opposed to Fe.

ESEs use their physicality to influence Fe, in the same way that EIEs use their dreams and vision of the past and future to influence Fe. Sometimes an ESE may just bake cookies or give you a hug, but it also extends to other bodily sensations and uses of the body in general. If you watch Robin Williams' comedy, he is very physically animated, with gestures and expressions, etc., using his physicality to create positive Fe in his audience.

Fe tends to express itself primarily through sounds and vocal modulation. EIEs are normally less physically animated than ESEs, being focused as they are on other times and places, and not as much on what they can do here-and-now to influence others' emotions.

Jim Carrey is physically animated, but in a much wilder and more out-of-control way than Robin Williams. Despite being very physically animated, nobody ever gets the impression that Robin Williams is insane or out of control. Carrey frequently gives that impression -- like he's not sure where the boundary of appropriateness for that kind of physicality is, so he just pushes all the way past it, past embarrassment and into the refuge of absurdity.

The only other type I can see making sense is ILE. He's not a Sensing type, I'm sure of that.

I had considered LIE, Marie, but I think most EJ types would describe themselves as "hard-working", etc. In my opinion, even when he's serious, Carrey focuses mainly on how he feels about things, how he feels about life, how other people feel about things and life, etc., and not on what is the most practically efficient way to effect change in the world.

[krieger]

I just dont understand how the grimacing is a manifestation of Si, as opposed to Fe.

It's both. Complete ignorance of Si for the unconcern towards looking "natural" and Fe to motivate the emotive impulse of the act. Fits ENFj to a T.

[1981slater]

Ni-ENTj with a huge role!

[Gilly]

Ni-ENTj with a huge role!

I'm considering this too, actually; he does seem more Gamma than Beta, more of a quirky antihero than a tragic one for sure, and he has a kind of Democratic natural levity/socially explorative attitude that you just don't really see in Betas.

[Suz]

It's both. Complete ignorance of Si for the unconcern towards looking "natural" and Fe to motivate the emotive impulse of the act. Fits ENFj to a T.

oh. But I thought ENFj's look natural when they use Fe? Am i wrong about that?

Do Si dual seekers also look unnatural?

[krieger]

oh. But I thought ENFj's look natural when they use Fe?

ENFj behavior tends to be a little artificial in a general sense. It isn't really dependent on what function they are using. As far as I'm aware "ego function" just means it's used a lot and with a lot of effort put behind it, and in ways that lead to the successful attainment of an envisioned result. None of it implies that the process would look "natural" or less so.

And you can't deny that Carrey is successful at what he does. Believe it or not, people like to see him behave the way he does, and line up in droves for the chance to watch 1.5 hours of it.

Do Si dual seekers also look unnatural?

ENTps do, they're known as complete weirdos. I'm not sure about ENFps. Weak/Valued is something completely different from Weak/Unvalued, so I don't think its warranted to expect the same effects.