I will happily leave you out of enneagramOriginally Posted by Sol
I will happily leave you out of enneagram
From an sp/sx I talked to they can get obsessed about a relationship (as can any stacking) but they will instinctually report back into themselves and see how much energy or how much personal sacrifying the relationship is taking out of them. Sp firsts instinctually set their own personal experience of things first while an sx first in a relationship the constant instinctual focus would be "how turned on am i by this person" and focusing/worrying about how to stay attracted to the partner - this is a focus in sx second too clearly but neurotic for the sx first.
Question: Why would someone care about (so) about threats to their reputation and standing? Sounds like a lot of paranoia taking place.
edit: I'm a mixture of sx/sp and sp/sx. Maybe sx/sp when I was younger but sp/sx makes more sense to now .... I get it we have to be just one. Maybe life experience has taught me to be sp/sx and play it safe.
I do agree that 1 in Alpha SF is rather rare, if not actually non-existent. I might have to edit the overview some time later.
I do know of several SLI-Te 1s however, so I am gonna stick with that.
(One celeb example: Amal Clooney. She's also So/Sp, and could pass as LSE almost.)
Most 1s are actually SLI-Te, ime.
This is also why there are so many confusions regarding SLI vs LSI in Socionics, because in Socionics 1-ness is more or less associated with j.
But LSIs are actually 6s, not 1s... I wrote more about that issue here.
1-ness is actually correlated with Je, not just j, at least ime.
I do agree that 1 in Alpha SF is rather rare, if not actually non-existent. I might have to edit the overview some time later.
Usually I tend to stay away from core type 1 people, they are too dogmatic and narrow-minded for my taste, but it also depends on the individuell person.
I agree: Core type 1 people have mostly introverted perception and extroverted judgement as functions in the ego block.
Type 1 + extroverted perception ego is a contradiction.
Leave me out of socionic type at 1st pls, as I don't like issues of types and IR. Also we discussed not enneagram types, in case it matters for people with such superpowers.
i.imgur.com/pOGLSsa.jpg
What does 'IR' stand for?? I'm guessing intertype-relationship.
The side effect of the concentration. You'd better affraid Firsts forced you to correct way.Also it's not single-valued as often Firsts implement new/advanced themes, which are against conservative masses which don't understand good what is done and prefer to don't mess with it deep.
Like with Socionics. I dig it for 15 years, found a proof for nonverbal typing, developed IR test with the interesting results, while masses know nothing or slightly flood on the forums.
To see me as Nine is funny.
yes
Ok
btw.: LSE 9w8 seems to be a very rare combination
Addition: Does this chart exclusively show correlations between MBTI type and Enneagram Core type?
I doubt it.
I guess it shows tritype correlations.
Last edited by WinnieW; 11-30-2017 at 04:52 PM.
Non-existent, imo.Ok
btw.: LSE 9w8 seems to be a very rare combination
But I also type Sol as SLI, so...
I prefer to avoid confrontation with type 1 because I have 9 in my tritype and I'm so-last.The side effect of the concentration. You'd better affraid Firsts forced you to correct way.
...and I tend to ignorebecause it is my ignoring function. I don't adopt concepts from other people that make no sense (in a
-way) to me.
Yes, I'd never type you as 9 core type.
Mostly people ignore weak non-valued functions, as they are perceived as hard and annoying. To call 7th as "ignoring" was not a good idea....and I tend to ignore
I don't recommend to use on practice descriptions of concrete functions in model A. I'm using: strong/weak, valued/nonvalued. The other embellishments are rather more doubful and seems sometimes are badly described.
Only Core types, I think.Ok
btw.: LSE 9w8 seems to be a very rare combination
Addition: Does this chart exclusively show correlations between MBTI type and Enneagram Core type?
I doubt it.
I guess it shows tritype correlations.
Anyway, there are no Delta ST (and Gamma NT) people in my whole family and I also have no friends of this type - I only have to deal with them at the workplace.
You was complaining about that I'm using non-conforming typing methods. My opinion on this is that different type has to adapt the typing method in a way that they can use more of their strong functions and have to use their weaker functions to a lesser extend.
It also depends if your perceptions are more visual or auditive developed. My perception of emotions of other people is unusual strong auditive oriented for a male; means reading other people only by using visuell impressions doesn't work for me.
Besides your strong functions (while you type is unkown to me as I did not typed you and have no basis to trust your opinion there) there are other important factors for the method's choice. The typing information should be enough and correct. In Olimpia's theme I criticized that you trused surplusly to words and did not take into account nonverbal (about the last you've made contradictory assertions). Such your approach have misleaded you and others.
To ignore the _important_ factors is not common for Ti leading types, - as they only use Te lesser than Te types but good anyway, *LE would use worse than L*I, while F types have issues with this above social norms. Only where people don't relate seriously like to typing and Socionics, there they may don't use nonvalued or weaker functions as _normally_ should.
So either your type is not T, or you are playing too much here and don't care about the consequences which people may get with the wrong type.
> means reading other people only by using visuell impressions doesn't work for me
That using of visual info is lesser usual for you does not mean you are unable to use it. In that context it was reasonable to do this as the main method, as I've clearly explained there.
Really? Thats your interpretation. How do you know that I have misleaded other members of this forum?
It is correct that I tend to omit some information, but the reason for it is not that I have weak thinking, it is because I have weak sensing.
Bothand
are weak functions ín me.
I guess you have a sensing function in your ego block, but I don't have.
So I have only a few choices:
- Not typing other people anymore
- Developing better sensing skills
- Rely on my strong intuitive perception skills for typing people
On a superficial look I might look like a F type, but people who know me for a longer time and better wouldn't type me as F type.
I wouldn't discount the possibility of an ESE being 1w2 or an LII being 1w9. Ah thinking about it, Thomas Jefferson was probably an LII E1. A Si-lead enneagram 1 would be especially ridiculous though. There's really no way for that to work that I can even imagine, so either the enneagram type or the socionics type is almost certainly wrong if someone types as Si lead and E1 imo. Also, Fe creative E1 is really unlikely. E1s in my experience are almost always rational types, with the very rare exception.
Ah, sorry @WinnieW, when replying I didn't double-check your post and thought you were eliminating all alphas rather than just alpha SFs. So the bit about LIIs was kind of pointless of me. But yeah, I think it'd be extremely odd and extremely rare if not impossible for SEI or SLI to be an E1. I do think that ESE and LSE can be though and that it's probably fairly common.
Hello @squark
I didn't state that there are no ESE or LSE with core e-type 1 are out there.
There are a few explanations for:
Possibly I met such people but talked not long enough with them to realize they are type 1.
My personal life expirences are statisticaly not relevant enough, means I can't extrapolate and conclude there are no ESE or LSE of E-type 1 at all.
But I didn't state there can't be Alpha SF or Delta ST E-type 1 people out there.
Only in the Gamma Quadra you'll find Duals who actively hate each other, mainly ESI-LIE, with most of the hate coming from ESI.
conlficts may happen between people of any types
Are you refering to snoring?
That person who makes a peace sign when you take a group picture:
Probably 9 fix (likely core), possibly Fe valuing.
It's cool to see people trying to correlate Socionics with Enneagram. People like to say that they're totally separate, but I'm pretty sure that all of the different personality systems claim to describe people's over-arching behavior/thought processes, so I don't think that you can separate them easily. Someone on PerC thought that their mother was ESFJ and 5. Now if that's not idiotic, I don't know what is. Their excuse: these are different systems!!
Always welcome typing advice. :]
Hey, now! Don't discriminate against the poor ILEs who have 4 as their fix. : (It's cool to see people trying to correlate Socionics with Enneagram. People like to say that they're totally separate, but I'm pretty sure that all of the different personality systems claim to describe people's over-arching behavior/thought processes, so I don't think that you can separate them easily. Someone on PerC thought that their mother was ESFJ and 5. Now if that's not idiotic, I don't know what is. Their excuse: these are different systems!!
Hahahaha, I mean, I don't know where I stand with fixes in terms of Socionics types because I mostly focus on core type and instincts.
@Olimpia
What would you say about someone, y'know, hypothetically speaking, being typed on different occasions: One for Enneagram, one for Socionics. One typing was so/sp 9, the other was LIE (with a suggestion of ILE). In my eyes, something is definitely wrong. Hmmm ��
Always welcome typing advice. :]
Hmmmmmmm.Sounds like at least one of those typings is incorrect.
1 thing I'm curious about: Naranjo says that type 9 can be super extroverted, as in taking all of the focus away from their inner world/feelings. He even correlates it with Kiersey's ESFJ (though, IIRC, he also correlates with Si or ISTJ in MBTI terms). From your list, it seems like you think that 9 is almost always IxFx in Socionics terms. Is there any room for any Socionics extrovert to type as 9 or no?
Always welcome typing advice. :]
Naranjo has some confusing correlations...
I've never come across an extroverted 9 before, and the descriptions themselves don't make me think it has to be otherwise.
I am assuming that those individuals who seem to be extroverted 9s are Social subtype, as well as Contact subtype in MBTI.
For instance, I think Jimmy Fallon is SEI-Fe So/Sx 9, and many people would type him as an ExFx.
The Social 9 is the "countertype", its keyword being "participation"; hence a Social 9 can easily be mistaken as an extrovert, especially when it also has a Contact subtype.
Reading this thread made me realize how much I've been slacking on socionics lately. I think @Olimpia deserves a gold medal or something for the amount of effort she puts into making socionics understandable. Like seriously I'm just way too lazy in comparison to ever be writing blogs like she does lol.
If you want to be some type, but anything is against it. Just try Reinin's traits or other heresy to rationalize it.
If you are getting IR contradictions, then instead of seeking for comfortable heresies, - just explain this by non-types factors, as there are a lot of them for this.
If nothing helps and you really want to be some type and to have some IR, - then think and say to anyone like "I don't care about Socionics, IR and don't take it seriously" and then being consecutive assign to yourself and your partner the needed types.
If you want to type as a Fe base or creative type, just flash your teeth from the inside out! Additionally, we all know that you can't smile if you are a high-dimensional thinking type, don't we?
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I want to hear more about this Fi ego gay male(s) olimpia clashed with. I want the juicy details not just a girly 'hehe they weren't alpha male enough for me' that you always pull cuz yeah duh I already get that.
But details is Te, right?
Yours Truly,
An easily butthurt Faux fi ego gay male in training
according to Filatova SLE balls are 3" across and Olimpia measured this guy and he turned out to have tiny 1" soyboy balls ergo Fi
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