Solarians = Alpha and Beta
Plutonians = Gamma and Delta
Solarians and Plutonians
Solarians = Alpha and Beta
Plutonians = Gamma and Delta
What do these things mean? Other than obviously that Solarian is referring to the sun and Plutonian referring to Pluto
“Things always seem fairer when we look back at them, and it is out of that inaccessible tower of the past that Longing leans and beckons.”
— James Russell Lowell猫が生き甲斐
Quadra/club combinations and their corresponding astrological combinations/aspects. Picked the conjuntion (taken from here), but I guess the expression of the aspect depends on the developmental level of the exponent of the type, with Trines and Sextiles being positive expressions, and Squares and Oppositions being conflicted expressions:
ALPHA
Alpha NT: Uranus and Mercury (higher octave)
You have a lightning-quick mind, mental genius and originality. You're self-willed, dramatic, colorful, creative, inventive, articulate, individualistic, progressive, independent and stubborn. You have quick perception and often gain insight through intuitive flashes. You resent any interference and must be allowed to live your life your own way. You're interested in astrology, science, human behavior, psychology and electronics but need a good education to make the most of your mental abilities. You're able to tune into the Universal Mind and obtain guidance from it. You're often involved in electronic forms of communication. You won't accept ideas simply because of tradition. You're able to find new solutions to old problems. If afflicted, you can be eccentric and tactless.
Alpha SF: Sun and Venus
You're easy-going, feminine, attractive, affectionate, cheerful, optimistic, generous, non-combative and warmhearted. If the conjunction is too close, you can be lazy, pompous, egotistical, self-indulgent and may have overly-ambitious expectations. This aspect is not easy for males unless in a masculine sign. This aspect attracts help and blessings into your life. In more evolved souls, it manifests as beauty, harmony and love, both personal and surrounding you. You live life to the fullest, especially enjoying social activities. Your self-expression tends towards art and music. You'd do better in occupations dealing with women than in the cutthroat business world. Your powerful emotions include a strong sense of love and the erotic. You're persuasive, eager to be liked, and able to bring happiness to others due to your strong affections and romantic drive. You have a refined, agreeable and, usually, traditional sense of taste. You may postpone getting married, and when you do, you'll probably limit the size of your family, even though you get along exceptionally well with children. If the conjunction is afflicted, you may be self-seeking, but usually get away with it due to your charm.
BETA
Beta ST. Mars and Saturn
This aspect is good for those in the military or in situations where caution and prudence is needed in the face of danger, but these same people begrudge others their easier lives. You're capable of hard work, enduring strength, resourcefulness and courage, especially in difficult or dangerous situations. You experience considerate suffering, often due to a physical handicap or accidents. If afflicted, you're prone to broken bones or skin/teeth problems. Unless well aspected, you tend to be angry, malicious and violent, stemming from a negative attitude and resentment. If heavily afflicted, you can be deliberately destructive, dictatorial and/or oppressive. You often suppress your anger until you explode. You tend to be rigid and musclebound and, in a weak sign, lazy and unambitious. Your good organizational ability, sense of economy and judgment enable you to take sound action despite poor timing and a conflict between wanting to act and being afraid to do so. You find it hard to control your energy flow. You have an extraordinary ability to make enemies and, if afflicted, you may develop a persecution complex, sex or health problems related to the sign Mars occupies. You may be denied ultimate power because of abuses in the past.
Beta NF: Moon and Uranus
Moon Conjunct Uranus: You're exciting, independent, resourceful, determined, individualistic, intuitive, intelligent and have a very original imagination and strong personal magnetism. Your high emotional energy is often erratic and, if afflicted, extremes in emotions are common. You need novelty and excitement in your emotional life. If you don't control your emotions, you'll have problems with your nervous system. You dislike conformity and convention, seeking strange and unusual experiences. You should develop less eccentric tastes to keep your more extreme tendencies under control. You're very obstinate and can be difficult to cope with. You're often better at solving others' problems than your own. You have an unusual domestic and family life and may have some sexual abnormality or perversity. Your home is often a meeting place for friends and/or groups. You have a strong desire for independence and will make great sacrifices for it. If well-aspected, you have unusual creative ability. If afflicted, you can be erratic, cranky, irritable and not always reliable.
GAMMA
Gamma NT: Saturn and Neptune
You have good organizational skill, excellent business sense and mathematical and political ability. If well aspected, you have mental steadiness and powers of concentration in meditation, use of clairvoyant faculties and mature spiritual insight and compassion based on practical experience. You're able to use inspiration practically and in concrete forms of expression, especially in the arts and music. You question everything and distrust others, although no one can deceive you for long. You're apt to be negative in outlook and subject to moods of depression and futility, often preferring to retreat rather than relate. If afflicted, you can have a morbid imagination or be subject to destructive psychic influences and should avoid drugs or entanglement with psychic forces. If the twelfth house is involved, you may be institutionalized. Your profession may involve secret or behind the scene activities, and if afflicted, you may be involved in foul play, intentionally or not. You work hard at chosen subjects. You must learn to properly channel intuition and imagination. You always operate on your own logic and reason.
Gamma SF: Pluto and Moon
You're impulsive, fearless and willing to take risks. You often seek drastic and extreme changes and mood/attitude changes occur suddenly and explosively with little regard for previous effort. You may be obsessed with or try to dominate others in sexual and/or emotional relationships. Your feelings are intense to the point of being brusque and tyrannical and you may alienate women. Love is very important to you and you're constantly seeking emotional fulfillment, often in creative fields. You may have psychic or occult tendencies and are open to the superphysical realm of manifestation. Your interest in spiritualism and life after death may allow you to be aware of the spirit world. You tend to let the past die and create a whole new emotional life, even dealing drastically with your family and making sudden changes on the domestic front.
DELTA
Delta ST: Pluto and Jupiter
You're determined to live life to its fullest by achieving the goals you set, especially those that help yourself and others. You possess the intense concentrative ability needed to draw on the inspiration and power of the higher planes, You're often interested and/or involved in clairvoyance, spiritual healing, meditation, prophecy and yoga. You have leadership ability, especially in emergencies or crises, but you may develop a power complex. You have considerable ability to completely start over, leaving the past behind. Carried to an extreme, you can become totally self-centered and forego all other relationships.
Delta NF: Venus and Neptune (higher octave)
You're capable of the highest and purest form of spiritual love and transcendental understanding. You have sympathy for those who suffer but impractical solutions to ease the suffering. You're attractive to the opposite sex, but there's often anxiety, unhappiness and strain in emotional relationships. You're insecure, nervous, kind, temperamental and timid. You have a vivid imagination, an active subconscious mind and an almost hypnotic power of attraction, all of which can be used constructively or destructively. You're aesthetically sensitive and perceptive and capable of deep emotional rapport, but if not evolved, you can be deceptive and unreliable in love. You're psychically sensitive and have a strong inspirational nature and healing power. You're at ease in social situations, but can be too trusting. You're drawn to music and mystically inspired art. You can be a romantic, impractical dreamer, or even a burden to those around you. You seek a peaceful occupation and love animals.
Their combos would make Alpha NT and Delta NF the poster child NF and NT, due to the combination having a planet and it's higher octave (mercury-uranus, venus-neptune). Higher octaves are sort of an evolution of the planet. The other groups are sort of weird mixes.
It means they have different biology.Originally Posted by AWellArmedCat
@roger557 what's the planetary stuff add that isn't already explained via Socionics and Enneagram?
“Things always seem fairer when we look back at them, and it is out of that inaccessible tower of the past that Longing leans and beckons.”
— James Russell Lowell
If the Solarians are the ones from Asimov, how does that follow? Isn't the stereotype that Alphas are humanistic and like simple pleasures, and Betas embrace blood, sweat, and tears? I also don't see how hating interacting with others = Fe-valuing. Or are these different Solarians?
OK, it looks like they're different.
It basically demonstrates that socionics is "the theory of everything" much sought after by scientists, for many decades.
Hmmm... Betas are still Solarians (dunno about Asimov) but they're also Martians.
You should go collect your Nobel Prize then. What are you doing here? lol
“Things always seem fairer when we look back at them, and it is out of that inaccessible tower of the past that Longing leans and beckons.”
— James Russell Lowell
Heh...
Take the sociotype test and post picture, and then I will believe you.
The Sun and Venus are the most dominant planets in my natal chart and I'm Taurus sun and asc...guess I'm alpha SF now.
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
reminds me of Orpheus and the Bacchantes
I think it ended well for him if I remember right...
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
we'd have to ask him???
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