Trinitarians, explain the trinity.

[Eliza Thomason]

@FreelancePoliceman, I posted this before but can't find it now so here it is again. Do you know this story?

Saint Augustine of Hippo (354-430), bishop, confessor, Doctor of the Church, and one of the Four Great Fathers of the Latin Church. He is at times referred to as the Doctor of Grace. One of the most influential thinkers and writers of the Church, Augustine’s legacy in written works numbers at over 100 books, and 5,000,000 words! Within those words, the philosophy and virtues of our faith are revealed, inspiring us to a closer relationship with the Lord. The conversion of Saint Augustine, following years of sinful living, reminds us that we, too, are called to daily conversion… and that it is never too late to fully turn to the Lord!

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Saint Augustine was walking by the seashore, contemplating the mystery of the Trinity. Then he saw a boy in front of him who had dug a hole in the sand and was going out to the sea again and again and bringing some water to pour into the hole., and putting water in it. St. Augustine asked him, “What are you doing?” “I’m going to pour the entire ocean into this hole.” “That is impossible, the whole ocean will not fit in the hole you have made” said St. Augustine. The boy replied,
“And you cannot fit the Trinity in your tiny little brain.” And the boy vanished, and St. Augustine knew he had been talking to an angel.


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Some thoughts of St. Augustine on the Holy Trinity:

- Augustine says that “the Trinity, my God — Father, and Son, and Holy Spirit [is] Creator of the entire creation.” So God the Father creates with and through God the Son and God the Spirit, giving the divine persons co-equal tribute for the creation of all things. This, for Augustine, is derived from the statement, “let us make man in our image”

- For Augustine, a living relationship with Christ must include reconciliation to God through the payment for sins. This is why the Son of God “appeared among mortal sinners as the immortal righteous one, mortal like humanity, righteous like God. Because the wages of righteousness are life and peace (Romans 6:23).” Christ “came into the Virgin’s womb . . . so that mortal flesh should not for ever be mortal.”

- Augustine explains that the Holy Spirit is the giver of the knowledge of God. Hostile-minded unbelievers “do not see your works with the help of your Spirit and do not recognize you in them.” No one knows or loves the things of God except through receiving his Spirit.

[Tarnished]

I realized shotgun also mentioned Plato. I really do think he was talking about the same thing. It was the phenomenon I was talking about. We have this concept of perfection, the conclusion is that you cannot reach it but there will always be a pull towards it. Now philosophers have thought a lot about what constitutes perfection. That is the difficult part that gets addressed by Plato, Catholicism and others - it is something out of this world though you can see glimpses of it in your daily life. It is our guiding force. We just name it as God or Truth or something else because we cannot pinpoint or describe it in detail, because after all it is unreachable.


But what is interesting here is that there are some things we can do to get us nearer to it. It can take in a form of a very great art, some groundbreaking discovery in science, improvement in systems. The idea is that we are just trying to go back to the source/perfection one action at a time. This is why we also talk about Good and Bad. Bad strays us from perfection. Goodness in behavior comes in a form of Virtues. You can also say the same thing when it comes to more technical stuff, like for example bad (as in illogical) mathematical proof will move you from the Good.

I think perfection is different in each person's point of view. Not everyone want the same thing, walk the same path. Calling something "God" or "ultimate truth", and then say that is what everyone want, or should want is just... well, forceful. We are individuals, at least I think so.

[Tarnished]

That's religion for you. Religions have certain ideas of what perfection should be like.

But anyway I can't say I don't have an idea of that in my head too. I have a thought that there is also that one ideal and we just approach it in different ways but I cannot prove that though so it will just stay as a thought (albeit a very persistent one).

We approach things in different ways is what make thing different. For exp: you and I both know object A. In an objective way both know it's weight X kg, height Y meter, was create by material Z blah blah. In a subjective way, you love it, I don't like it; you think it's meanful, I see it as bullshit... and it's all normal.

But to have an absolutely objective point of view in order to obtain the one "Truth", you have to completely remove your ego, and when you do that, perfection is meaningless, because "absolutely truth" may not has a concept like "perfection", because we human create that concept. Whatever happen, you will not be yourself anymore

[Tarnished]

You can say the same thing with solving a problem, though if you follow the right logic you still get the same answer.

There are many ways to solve a problem, but it's depend on the person to choose what method fit them the best. Someone just choose one method over another just because they "love" that method more. Personal feeling play a huge role here

[Tarnished]

The point is the outcome might still the same no matter the method used.

I don't think so, different choices, different outcome, we can't be so sure. But from my (Fi) point of view, no matter what outcome, as long as I made the choices base on my own values and feeling (Fi), then I will not regret it, even if it end ugly for me.

off topic, I have a feeling that you value Ti> Fi??

[Tarnished]

I only asked a few people here with my vid, took a few tests and read few books to consider ILI as typing. But I'm open for new opinions regarding my type. Got typed by WSS a year back iirc and I was typed ILE. Thinking of getting typed by Gulenko this year maybe, though I'm still mulling about it.

You have guess idea which type I am?

When you talk about the problems from your work, you remind me of an LII I've known.

[Tarnished]

That's something to consider. @Adam Strange (hope you don't mind the ping) typed me that too initially.
My only problem with that typing is the IR. I'm so annoyed at ESEs every time, sometimes SEIs too. There is still a chance I'm typing them wrong though. Also the LIIs here on this forum I see as very stuck up and dogmatic while I'm chill as fuck (hope they don't get mad and start another thread war lol). There is also a chance they are wrong with their typings or this is not type related at all.

I always think about LII as "chill", they are fun to hang around with in daily life if they really want to. But when it come to work they are kind of very serious, always want things to work perfectly, criticize others and the system of the workplace alot... I'm more selfish, as long as I get the money and didn't get fire, I'm not really care if I'm working at my best or not.

P/s: I tested one a little bit and she seem to value Se/not so Se polr