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    Default Deprivation of Resources and Involutionary Declaring types

    Someone has some experience with this in any way? I'm especially interested in knowing about IEE and LIE (but any info/experience is welcome).


    To this can be attributed the involutionary intuition of potential of IEE (ENFp) "Huxley" -Ne — the striving to intercept the maximum of chances and opportunities from others, devastating them morally and physically, then provoking them to take new risks, sending them in search of new opportunities, and then intercepting them, leaving a person without the slightest chance to improve their affairs. Shoveling all to the last crumbs and drops, overflowing the cup of patience of a dependent person - is typical of INVOLUTIONARY-DECLARING types. (And LIE "Jack" among them, with his resource-grubbing mobilizing aspect of sensing of sensations +Si - is no exception to this.) Some take the last remaining resources, gaining authoritarian advantages in their program - like SLE "Zhukov" (-Se), for example; some do it out of foresight, out of fear of remaining without material resources, without means of subsistence (as, for example, creatively covetous ESE "Hugo"); some do it out of greed or envy masquerading as nnonchalance and carelessness, from the standpoint of which it is very easy to take a person "on a dare" and deprive him of the last remaining resources, leaving no chance for the person to thrive and survive under new conditions, and no chance to return what he or she has lost (characteristic of IEE "Huxley" and LIE "Jack"). Source
    Declaring Involutionary types: ESE, SLE, LIE, IEE.

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    III. THE TOP AND BOTTOM LIMITS OF ECO-EFFICIENCY. THE LAW OF THE UTMOST MINIMUM.

    From the ecological point of view, the interchage of dominanting aspects can occur when those aspects have reached the highest level of ECO-EFFICIENCY of the DEVELOPMENT of a given ASPECT (ie this aspect's ECO-MAXIMUM), which is characteristic of EXTRAVERTED EVOLUTIONARY aspects that reach the highest point of their development, after which comes recession and degradation begins, the consequences of which may be dangerous and catastrophic for the whole society.

    Thus, for example, an uncontrollable and unrestrained development of EIE's (ENFj) evolutionary ethics of +Fe is fraught with ideological and political terror, religious and ideological wars and ethnic cleansings.

    The consequences of exceeding the eco-maximum of LSE's (ESTj) evolutionary aspect of logic of actions +Te can be environmental and man-made disasters, fierce (and large-scale) wars for new markets.

    Exceeding the eco-maximum in the development of the aspect of ILE's (ENTp) evolutionary intuition of potential opportunities +Ne can also result in major ecological and technogenic catastrophes. If, taking advantage of the freedom and power granted to him, the ILE will start to vigorously and uncontrollably implement his exceptionally bold ideas and projects, such as, for example, the reversal of rivers, the creation of artificial seas created in place of natural ones (wich are to be drained, according to his plans), the consequences can be catastrophic for everyone.

    Excessive development of the aspect of evolutionary volitional sensing +Se turns into large-scale gains and conquests, and the creation of expansive, imperial regimes of contrived "blown-up" democracy.

    The interchange of the dominating aspects in quadra can also occur when the lowest eco-feasibility threshold is reached - an ecological minimum, in accordance with the ecological "law of the utmost minimum" (or the law of Justus von Liebig), where the "utmost minimum" means the minimal amount (impact or influence ) of some factor, which can irreparably disrupt an ecological balance. Or the influence of the "last drop", which disturbs the ecological balance from its optimal, maximum, or minimum level, which leads to irreversible consequences.

    (This law is formulated as follows: "The greatest impact on life (the viability of an eco-system) is imparted by the factor the minimum strain on which approximates the closest the limit of endurance.")

    In this regard, a minimal particle, that irreparably affects the environment, can be imagined as the "last drop overflowing the cup of patience", and in the form of a minimal influential factor that depletes eco-resources to their limits and exhausts the limits of the ecological capacity of the environment (after which the environment ceases to be a "viable living space " - which is typical of EXTRAVERTED INVOLUTIONARY aspects). This can include extreme degrees of moral degeneracy and degradation, and any lawlessness leading to the complete destruction or depletion of eco-resources in the environment, leaving it unable to replenish and reproduce itself.

    This can include extreme forms of greed, cruelty and ruthlessness, putting a person in desperate, hopeless, unviable situations, leaving for him or her no chances of survival.

    To this can be attributed the totalitarian despotism characteristic of involutionary volitional sensing (-Se) of SLE "Zhukov", which leaves no room for another's will, as well as sensory mayhem and unbriddled behavior, which manifests itself as the desire to take away everything in excess and on the principle "If it's not mine, then it won't be available to anyone else." ("If you cut a tree, then cut under the root, so that no one gets it", and the strategy of "scorched earth", so if you have to retreat you take everything with you).

    This includes the ethical-sensory lawlessness characteristic of involutionary aspect of ESE's (ESFj) emotions -Fe — the striving to take up the maximum of conveniences and pleasures for himself, both his own and those of others' (to enjoy until the last drop).

    To this can be attributed the involutionary intuition of potential of IEE (ENFp) "Huxley" -Ne — the striving to intercept the maximum of chances and opportunities from others, devastating them morally and physically, then provoking them to take new risks, sending them in search of new opportunities, and then intercepting them, leaving a person without the slightest chance to improve their affairs. Shoveling all to the last crumbs and drops, overflowing the cup of patience of a dependent person - is typical of INVOLUTIONARY-DECLARING types. (And LIE "Jack" among them, with his resource-grubbing mobilizing aspect of sensing of sensations +Si - is no exception to this.) Some take the last remaining resources, gaining authoritarian advantages in their program - like SLE "Zhukov" (-Se), for example; some do it out of foresight, out of fear of remaining without material resources, without means of subsistence (as, for example, creatively covetous ESE "Hugo"); some do it out of greed or envy masquerading as nnonchalance and carelessness, from the standpoint of which it is very easy to take a person "on a dare" and deprive him of the last remaining resources, leaving no chance for the person to thrive and survive under new conditions, and no chance to return what he or she has lost (characteristic of IEE "Huxley" and LIE "Jack").

    The idea of ​​the limiting effect of the eco-maximum along with the eco-minimum was introduced by Victor Ernest Shelford, who formulated the law of tolerance: "Both the minimum and the maximum value of the environmental factor can be limiting; the range between the minimum and maximum is what determines the zone of endurance (tolerance) of the eco-system towards this factor."

    The range of influence of each information aspect on the surrounding objects and environments is determined by the limit of its eco-feasibility on each of these limiting levels. (If necessary, you can squeeze a competitor out of the sphere of influence with a minimum of effort: it is sufficient to exert enough pressure, persistence or persistence, provided that all the preliminary preparation has already been completed as a whole).
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    That doesn’t sound like any LIE that I know.

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    Is this what happens when those types become pathological psychopaths?
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    Idk, is this strats?
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    The essence here is: writer is trying to delve too deep into her Ni. Meaning that rules are considered too pristine in their ability to make forecasts.

    Let's open the bible recite few verses, draw conclusions and be happy with it. Not saying that this is pure Ni HA phenomena since for example LII's could also do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Is this what happens when those types become pathological psychopaths?
    That's the only way this description could possibly describe reality.

    "striving to intercept the maximum of chances and opportunities from others, devastating them morally and physically"

    Really now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    The essence here is: writer is trying to delve too deep into her Ni. Meaning that rules are considered too pristine in their ability to make forecasts.

    Let's open the bible recite few verses, draw conclusions and be happy with it. Not saying that this is pure Ni HA phenomena since for example LII's could also do this.
    I don't think Strat is impartial in any of her descriptions, and the hidden motives she attach to people's behavior are always demonic when not pathologic. Safety pin for victims and those who seek to have a good laugh. Soberly speaking, not different to most psychologist in paying especial attention to problematic behavior more than healthy one. Anyhow, those who willfully seek to keep themselves and others under the policy don't ask, don't tell in socionics forum seem not more useful. Strat demonic plots aside, I seem some use at her description of observable behaviors and unconscious personality patterns more often than not, when looking to understand others and find solutions if not a fan of using Se as first aid (which is my case).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Is this what happens when those types become pathological psychopaths?
    maybe but not necessarily. I think she's exaggerating but probably is onto something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    That doesn’t sound like any LIE that I know.
    She also speaks in her dual description about an LIE taking the resources that a hardworking ESI was saving for years to invest in his own projects depriving her of the capacity to publish her book and make her dream true (I guess she was speaking about herself).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    That's the only way this description could possibly describe reality.

    "striving to intercept the maximum of chances and opportunities from others, devastating them morally and physically"

    Really now?
    I feel like a stubborn beggar who's digging into the same old garbage can each time that I come here to ask for insight, just to over and over, being hit by the smell.

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    Idk, is this strats?
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