Socionics Beta types Examples

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EIE

very big Taylor Swift fan. hmm, I wonder why...

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another EIE

notice how their eyes rapidly dart around their room while they are freely speaking. a characteristic to keep in mind for this type.

[Metamorph]

EIE

very big Taylor Swift fan. hmm, I wonder why...

How dare you type me in a quadra with Taylor Swift. This means war.

[Renna]

Maybe SLE, but when he turned Lich King he became more LIE-like

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How dare you type me in a quadra with Taylor Swift. This means war.

Bring it on

https://youtu.be/QcIy9NiNbmo

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One more EIE cause why not. I think it's unfortunate that this type is called the 'Actor', because I don't think acting is related to Fe. It's not based on vivid emotions that you express everywhere, it's based on a role that you imagine yourself to be in, which is Ni. 'Mentor' is a better name for EIE. I think they work well as teachers, especially with children. IEI is the actor personality.

[Metamorph]

One more EIE cause why not. I think it's unfortunate that this type is called the 'Actor', because I don't think acting is related to Fe. It's not based on vivid emotions that you express everywhere, it's based on a role that you imagine yourself to be in, which is Ni. 'Mentor' is a better name for EIE. I think they work well as teachers, especially with children. IEI is the actor personality.

Everything Everyone is awesome IEI
Everything Everyone is not cool when you're part of a team they're a type I don't like
Everything Everyone is awesome IEI
When you're living out a dream they make posts on the Internet

[Rusal]

Well, in the context of classic theater with contact subtypes put side by side the EIE should still win in voice projection, gesticulation, overall easiness with the lines. EIE are also naturally more dramatic and contrasting in emotions so difficult characters are expected to leave a mark on them more easily than on IEIs based on pure emotion and they should have a quicker identification process with the actions of their character. All this being more subdued in IEIs who I'd say would tackle the process with the intention of making sense of what is going on so maybe there's a truth to that but IEIs should live 'in the process' not 'in their characters' per se; it's a more prudent way to build sense for the actions of a character but if taken to the extreme that method is glorified only by 'pretentious' drama students whose opinion is just that. But, most importantly, distant subtype of - leads should be the least sought after for the theater except a few special roles, and maybe it's a stretch to say EIEs can't go that deep. More interested in the actions of people and with more to say about people in general, contact sub EIE might disentangle in real time people and actions so putting together the general idea of a puzzle might come easier to them. Distant sub. IEI: "why would anyone do that...whatever". And they go on with their day/drift away.

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https://media.irishpost.co.uk/upload...sa_Ireland.jpg
https://media.revistagq.com/photos/5...rimes_6436.jpg
https://i.redd.it/54ots2m4p0k71.jpg (Tania Sachdev, chess player)
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/ImageCrop...ews2012_x1.jpg

just posting it here so I can find it again and add some more people to that list that look similar. in chat it will just be gone and I will forget about it.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eu38msq1U88
she looks like northstar

[Northstar]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eu38msq1U88
she looks like northstar

Alive would say IEI

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

Alive would say IEI

and thats gonna still be wrong and its still not gonna matter that he says it

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I think Mattie and onlyjayus are IEI yeah. youtube is a novel concept that's about sharing your life and ideas. it mostly consists of xNFx types

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c0npxcc9Pjs

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I believe we should strangle IEIs for all these corny youtube shorts then

Sometimes I feel like I'm torturing myself by watching this garbage, but yt helps getting some patterns in your head.

[Manatroid92]

EIE

very big Taylor Swift fan. hmm, I wonder why...

She does seem pretty Je in temperament (rigidity + excitability), ethical is very likely and I don't think she could be an ESE (she's a touch more tense/severe than I'd expect an Alpha ethical to be).
So I think this makes sense.

[Manatroid92]

It is torture, you shouldn’t be exposing yourself too much into it, there is no pattern to see but few secs of entertainment

I don’t mean all though, also entertainment is not that bad

Yeah, exactly.
@Alive don’t force yourself to watch stuff you don’t want to watch if you’re not in the right head-space for it, it’s not going to do you any good.

[RBRS]

EIE is such an umbrella type that various "kinds" of people (categorized from outside of socionics) fit the bill for the type.

I'm going to share some of the people I type as EIE as they fit the bill yet I have the "feeling" they're cognitively different from each other. For example (all from Spain) (and I do not say they're opposites because of their ideology, just their VI).

https://youtu.be/o9Q9ZlKLeoU

But then, there's this other person

https://youtu.be/A3bu1PULQz4

Or this woman here

https://youtu.be/DalnW1D5lME

All of them from politics, but, where are you going to find the best EIE examples, if not there?

Another person I'm confused about, dunno if EIE or ESE.

https://youtu.be/Mzp6fjCFHwQ

And the last, yet the best... (specially if you know spanish)

https://youtu.be/oXT6ssXjU6Q

If anyone is willing to "point out" where the typings could be wrong, that would be nice. I honestly want to make socionics and my previous "type categories" coherent with each other. I also have personal life examples of conflicting people who both fit the bill yet have horrendous ITR, but that might be due to socionists treating Borderline disorder and typing them EIE (When in fact BPD "behaviors" are more common in ESFp than they are in ENFj lol)

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And the last, yet the best... (specially if you know spanish)

https://youtu.be/oXT6ssXjU6Q

Good little NPC.

He has literally no idea what he is saying, nor can he, hes just espousing borrowed ideas, with borrowed body gestures. A mimic.

[RBRS]

Good little NPC.

He has literally no idea what he is saying, nor can he, hes just espousing borrowed ideas, with borrowed body gestures. A mimic.

He's a little child, children learn by imitation, I suggest you observe children, you'll see them speak like their authority figures while not knowing what that's all about.

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He's a little child, children learn by imitation, I suggest you observe children, you'll see them speak like their authority figures while not knowing what that's all about.

I have a couple kids of my own (informally adopted as their Uncle) so I do know what you are talking about.

Its just funny seeing one who has mastered the art of it so well. I'd wager that is why the majority of the people in that Covenant are cheering. Cheering on a tiny human speaking and acting way beyond his years. The message is really secondary to the delivery. Chewing the stage, the drama people say.

[Manatroid92]

I have a couple kids of my own (informally adopted as their Uncle) so I do know what you are talking about.

Its just funny seeing one who has mastered the art of it so well. I'd wager that is why the majority of the people in that Covenant are cheering. Cheering on a tiny human speaking and acting way beyond his years. The message is really secondary to the delivery. Chewing the stage, the drama people say.

The term is ‘chewing the scenery’, but I get your point.

[RBRS]

I have a couple kids of my own (informally adopted as their Uncle) so I do know what you are talking about.

Its just funny seeing one who has mastered the art of it so well. I'd wager that is why the majority of the people in that Covenant are cheering. Cheering on a tiny human speaking and acting way beyond his years. The message is really secondary to the delivery. Chewing the stage, the drama people say.

Yeah that's really deplorable. I just laugh lots with it because it is so contextless and absurd...

Btw nobody's gonna answer to my post's content?

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Yeah that's really deplorable. I just laugh lots with it because it is so contextless and absurd...

Btw nobody's gonna answer to my post's content?

I wish i found something worth while for me in the monologue threads, I hardly respond to mutli-posts, because I prefer the instant interaction of the other site mediums, but my thoughts are that your list of EIE does not seem impossible. All types have variation and I think EIE are more prone to this, given what they "do".

[nifl]

mb IEI

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mb IEI

I agree with the typing from a visual perspective, but I question how much sense it makes to share people here who don't speak english or are fictional anime characters.

I also changed my typing of Magnus Carlsen and Erling Haaland to IEI.

[Tallmo]

I think this gay couple is EIE-C + EIE-H. Sorry no English.

[nifl]

I question how much sense it makes to share people here who don't speak english

the types of people can be felt in their behaviour; their words are, to a degree, secondary, especially when it's a celebrity speaking publicly, as in a video (unless the contradiction is so strong that either their type or truthfulness can be doubted). i'd still say she was IEI if she spoke klingon

Carlsen is not IEI, Haaland is perhaps LSE, SLE or another ST

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Carlsen is not IEI, Haaland is perhaps LSE, SLE or another ST

You base that entirely on some subjective impression you got from both.

[nifl]

You base that entirely on some subjective impression you got from both

1. types have not been objectively proven to exist and therefore there's no ''objective'' way to type yet; as such, all ways of typing are to a degree based on subjective impressions
2. basing your typings of people on their speech is much more shaky than basing it on their non-verbal behaviour, which is much, much harder to manipulate and control - so if the type of people you don't know personally, such as a celebrity speaking publicly, can be ascertained, it stands to reason that their controlled, PR influenced speech is a worse way to do it, because it can be more easily masked (like how questionnaires are worse for typing than a video)

to type entirely nonverbally, you have to systematically observe people IRL and see if their nonverbal behaviour corresponds reasonably with the theory - do the people assigned to the introverts behave consistently such in their nonverbal, for example? what about the Fe types vs. the Fi types? and so forth
you may observe that there are no systematic correlations, as this is also a subjective judgment

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Irene Papas - EIE

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SLE

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

provocative LSI putin

[Squirrel]

1. types have not been objectively proven to exist and therefore there's no ''objective'' way to type yet; as such, all ways of typing are to a degree based on subjective impressions
2. basing your typings of people on their speech is much more shaky than basing it on their non-verbal behaviour, which is much, much harder to manipulate and control - so if the type of people you don't know personally, such as a celebrity speaking publicly, can be ascertained, it stands to reason that their controlled, PR influenced speech is a worse way to do it, because it can be more easily masked (like how questionnaires are worse for typing than a video)

to type entirely nonverbally, you have to systematically observe people IRL and see if their nonverbal behaviour corresponds reasonably with the theory - do the people assigned to the introverts behave consistently such in their nonverbal, for example? what about the Fe types vs. the Fi types? and so forth
you may observe that there are no systematic correlations, as this is also a subjective judgment

This is LITERALLY the best answer I've read this month

[godslave]

1. types have not been objectively proven to exist and therefore there's no ''objective'' way to type yet; as such, all ways of typing are to a degree based on subjective impressions
2. basing your typings of people on their speech is much more shaky than basing it on their non-verbal behaviour, which is much, much harder to manipulate and control - so if the type of people you don't know personally, such as a celebrity speaking publicly, can be ascertained, it stands to reason that their controlled, PR influenced speech is a worse way to do it, because it can be more easily masked (like how questionnaires are worse for typing than a video)

to type entirely nonverbally, you have to systematically observe people IRL and see if their nonverbal behaviour corresponds reasonably with the theory - do the people assigned to the introverts behave consistently such in their nonverbal, for example? what about the Fe types vs. the Fi types? and so forth
you may observe that there are no systematic correlations, as this is also a subjective judgment

If I may add, We have to emphasize the significance of NonVerbal communication in real life in order to justify its importance in the Typing process. Although a lot of studies give different results, we can safely say that at least 60% of our communication is nonverbal. We can say that most of the informations perceived in Communications in nonverbal. Consequently we can conclude several things :

1) Generality : This information is a bit more important to aguire in the process of Typing than the written one and/or the auditive one.

2) The Better the interpretation of Nonverbal communication is developed in a Typologist the better the Typologist should be (Note that the typologist has to have a good perception of it in the first place).

As a reminder, this communication is expressed in a dynamic Universal Language which is archaic in nature and of which the fluency requires awareness, knowledge and/or predispositions. If the subject have a good control of her or his NVC (for example a pro Actor) the typing might be a bit more difficult esp if the subject has a biased opinion of what her or his type is.

https://www.pgi.com/blog/2020/03/how...lly-nonverbal/

Finally, I'll point out that there are some critics about the studies on NVC but those critics are primarily about the methodology leading to results such as 93% is NVC but they don't deny its Importance. I didn't find conterstudies on the subject neither did I put a lot of effort to do so.

Side note :I think that Socionics needs an additional code of correspondence between NV information and IE in the theory and this code has to be agreed upon among all socionics schools, so it also needs a consensus in that matter. I'm aware of J.E. Sandoval's Cognitive Type but his code is based on his subjective Ti. Socionics needs something similar but as I said more consensual in order for it to be an even more efficient tool imho.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

SLE

[lynn]

IEI (or EIE), HD-subtype(?)

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IEI

[nifl]

probably SLE

[lynn]

Lukas Haas - IEI-Fe-DH

[nifl]

EIE
not completely excluding ESE