Elon Musk

[14Raptor19]

He’s very odd. I think he could be an alien or one of the lizard people.

Aliens might have different kinds of types. You never know

lol gentle winds and moody whispers from the chaotic frequency of the SETI signals could be a long shot compared to the invisible butterfly roaming the free pasture of our own hearts and minds.

Aliens are a fairy from the future

[ILoveChinchillas]

He’s very odd. I think he could be an alien or one of the lizard people.

Aliens might have different kinds of types. You never know

[Fake Intellectual]

Appearing genteel in public, but acting possessive and mean behind closed doors actually fits into how some LIEs behave..

You're not wrong. I seem somewhat reserved in public, but I can be incredibly demanding around my family. I'm definitely not an ST type either.

[The Reality Denialist]

Better to go beyond


Anyway, he does not fulfill role of an analyst.

[Aster]

almost like those INxx types that go through life disconnected from reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtlZJjNh1Mw

Generally I look for a positive attitude and.. are they easy to work with? are people going to like working with them? it's very important to like the people you work with otherwise your job is going to be quite miserable.

It's as if he's a person who thinks a lot about interpersonal dynamics.

the hiring mistakes in the past that I've made, it's looking too much at their intellectual capability alone and not on how they affect those around them. What really matter is how they are as an individual and how they affect others around them. it is important to weigh personality and... are they going to be a good person? Will people like working with them? it does make a difference.

No, Alive. I mean an actual alien.

[Aster]

omg

exactly!

[on a peaceful hiatus]

No, Alive. I mean an actual alien.

Oh, you mean like Zuckerberg who is a Lizard?

[Aster]

Oh, you mean like Zuckerberg who is a Lizard?

Yes!

[on a peaceful hiatus]

he dates the same women over and over again

[hellohellohello]

He's LSI

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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/29/what...elligence.html

Telsa CEO has an important trait for a CEO, leadership and management expert Justin Bariso tells CNBC: He has high emotional intelligence.

he’s able to identify others’ emotions and change the way he works with people in order to better lead, according to Bariso.

“Effective leadership is due to a lot of factors and emotional intelligence is one,” Bariso says. “If you understand how your words affect a group of people or how it will impact an individual, you will become more purposeful.”

Bariso, who has an upcoming book, “EQ, Applied,” defines emotional intelligence as the ability to identify emotions and understand how they work to inform your behavior. It’s “the ability to make emotions work for you instead of against you,” he explains.

Data from IBM’s supercomputer Watson and job firm Paysa found that Musk’s top five personality traits include: intellect, immoderation, cautiousness, emotionality and altruism, all qualities that relate to Musk’s emotional intelligence.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/29/ibm-watson-elon-musks-personality-traits-are-summed-up-by-this-image.html

Paysa performed a similar analysis of Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s personality and found that his top trait is also intellect. As with Musk, emotionality and immoderation appear in Zuckerberg’s top five. That suggests that these characteristics may help a leader succeed in Silicon Valley.

[Rusal]

Mmm yes, nothing screams emotional intelligence more than forcing your employers to work in insane conditions, having your ex wives see you as an impenetrable macho and threaten to fire your employees if they refused to go to work during the worst of the pandemic.

Let's not forget the dry, direct "that's it" kind of line the threw to threaten to hang up the call when he was questioned about it. Yes, does not sound rigid LSI at all and totally the line someone with good people skills.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

Mmm yes, nothing screams emotional intelligence more than forcing your employers to work in insane conditions, having your ex wives see you as an impenetrable macho and threaten to fire your employees if they refused to go to work during the worst of the pandemic.

Let's not forget the dry, direct "that's it" kind of line the threw to threaten to hang up the call when he was questioned about it. Yes, does not sound rigid LSI at all and totally the line someone with good people skills.

let's not forget the email he wrote to his employees

"No words can express how much I care about your safety and wellbeing. It breaks my heart when someone is injured building cars and trying their best to make Tesla successful.

Going forward, I’ve asked that every injury be reported directly to me, without exception. I’m meeting with the safety team every week and would like to meet every injured person as soon as they are well, so that I can understand from them exactly what we need to do to make it better. I will then go down to the production line and perform the same task that they perform.

This is what all managers at Tesla should do as a matter of course. At Tesla, we lead from the front line, not from some safe and comfortable ivory tower. Managers must always put their team’s safety above their own."



does anyone here even have a concept of how much stress this guy is experiencing on a daily basis managing what he does? most people would probably break down, cry and get a panic attack because of the responsibility. I'm sure every ethical is just always jolly with his/her employees when they have 4-5 businesses to take care of. I'm mean it's easy to morally criticize someone like Musk when you sit around your computer all day and never have to manage companies with thousands of people working for you. I guess that's just a perspective almost no one here considers.

[Rusal]

He's not breaking down and crying because he's not Te polr thus not overloaded by work and has great resistance, can push himself to work for hours on end, if we are to believe what's out there.

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He's not breaking down and crying because he's not Te polr thus not overloaded by work and has great resistance, can push himself to work for hours on end, if we are to believe what's out there.

he's a dominant subtype with peak genetics

https://i.insider.com/5dee4fe9fd9db2...jpeg&auto=webp

he has the physical energy. it's unrelated to his sociotype.

it doesn't matter. I feel like we are just running in circles here and no matter what evidence I post you will never change your opinion. I'm sure logical types start their mails with "it breaks my heart when someone is injured".

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https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman...ty-traits.html

"In speaking with them and reviewing the questions that led to these ratings, it became clear: When faced with a choice between achieving their goal or pleasing (or not disappointing) others, they would choose achieving their goal every time," Dalio continues.

"​​I've found that shapers tend to share attributes such as intense curiosity and a compulsive need to make sense of things," Dalio has written, continuing: "Perhaps even more important, they can hold conflicting thoughts simultaneously and look at them from different angles. They typically love to knock things around with other really smart people."

And when those conversations and investigations reveal that their prior beliefs are wrong or incomplete, shapers are not too proud to update their thinking.

https://www.wikisocion.net/en/index....ile_by_Gulenko

Very attached to his worldview. Does not change his views easily, not inclined to make concessions and compromises.

Geez, I wonder what all these curious and innovative people could be... Guess they must be similar to Putin who starts a war over some decades old principles that he still has.

[Rusal]

DCNH description are still a companion to the main type. In an exchange with an IEI-C typed by Gulenko, she told me she wasted weekends on her bed daydreaming and didn't like working, even though her subtype should present her as material for competition. Accentuation on Ne and Fe didn't make her stay in a creative frenzy all day long nor become an extrovert who needs people- Likewise, accentuation on Te should not transform a primarily Te polr type into the most enduring type akin to what we know of LSI or other types' work stamina.

[hellohellohello]

let's not forget the email he wrote to his employees

"No words can express how much I care about your safety and wellbeing. It breaks my heart when someone is injured building cars and trying their best to make Tesla successful.

Going forward, I’ve asked that every injury be reported directly to me, without exception. I’m meeting with the safety team every week and would like to meet every injured person as soon as they are well, so that I can understand from them exactly what we need to do to make it better. I will then go down to the production line and perform the same task that they perform.

This is what all managers at Tesla should do as a matter of course. At Tesla, we lead from the front line, not from some safe and comfortable ivory tower. Managers must always put their team’s safety above their own."



does anyone here even have a concept of how much stress this guy is experiencing on a daily basis managing what he does? most people would probably break down, cry and get a panic attack because of the responsibility. I'm sure every ethical is just always jolly with his/her employees when they have 4-5 businesses to take care of. I'm mean it's easy to morally criticize someone like Musk when you sit around your computer all day and never have to manage companies with thousands of people working for you. I guess that's just a perspective almost no one here considers.

Dude, do you not understand life at all? That's what any boss of any large corporation (like Tesla) would do. It has nothing to do with "emotional intelligence", it's about playing the game. He probably didn't even write, let alone DRAFT, that email.

[hellohellohello]

he's a dominant subtype with peak genetics

https://i.insider.com/5dee4fe9fd9db2...jpeg&auto=webp

he has the physical energy. it's unrelated to his sociotype.

it doesn't matter. I feel like we are just running in circles here and no matter what evidence I post you will never change your opinion. I'm sure logical types start their mails with "it breaks my heart when someone is injured".

You are an idiot.

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5'6 tall normalizing subtypes won't understand

[Rusal]

Maybe then this is better explained to the 5'2 harmonizing Ni lead sub. who has layers upon layers of Ni accentuation and is thus the most visionary of all the types--

[Adam Strange]

let's not forget the email he wrote to his employees

"No words can express how much I care about your safety and wellbeing. It breaks my heart when someone is injured building cars and trying their best to make Tesla successful.

Going forward, I’ve asked that every injury be reported directly to me, without exception. I’m meeting with the safety team every week and would like to meet every injured person as soon as they are well, so that I can understand from them exactly what we need to do to make it better. I will then go down to the production line and perform the same task that they perform.

This is what all managers at Tesla should do as a matter of course. At Tesla, we lead from the front line, not from some safe and comfortable ivory tower. Managers must always put their team’s safety above their own."



does anyone here even have a concept of how much stress this guy is experiencing on a daily basis managing what he does? most people would probably break down, cry and get a panic attack because of the responsibility. I'm sure every ethical is just always jolly with his/her employees when they have 4-5 businesses to take care of. I'm mean it's easy to morally criticize someone like Musk when you sit around your computer all day and never have to manage companies with thousands of people working for you. I guess that's just a perspective almost no one here considers.

@Alive, maybe my statement is irrelevant, but I can't imagine writing an email like the above that you quoted. First, my heart doesn't break when employees are injured. Instead, I tend to make sure that they get the best care possible, and then turn to the problem of why they were injured. Inadequate training? Unsafe machines or working conditions? Then fix them right away, because a worker is the most valuable piece of equipment that a company has, and you don't want to lose any, or reduce their efficiency at work because they are having to second-guess their environment.

Second, having every injured worker report to me after they recover is a huge waste of time. Their immediate supervisor should be the one who takes care of that. Imagine if the president of the US had to listen to every traffic case in the US. NOT EFFICIENT.

I agree with @hellohellohello when he said that he probably didn't even write that himself. If he did, he was probably just bullshitting under the influence, like he did when he said he'd buy twitter.

[hellohellohello]

5'6 tall normalizing subtypes won't understand

5'7, thank you.

And I understand perfectly fine, thank you, again.

[hellohellohello]

@Alive, maybe my statement is irrelevant, but I can't imagine writing an email like the above that you quoted. First, my heart doesn't break when employees are injured. Instead, I tend to make sure that they get the best care possible, and then turn to the problem of why they were injured. Inadequate training? Unsafe machines or working conditions? Then fix them right away, because a worker is the most valuable piece of equipment that a company has, and you don't want to lose any, or reduce their efficiency at work because they are having to second-guess their environment.

Second, having every injured worker report to me after they recover is a huge waste of time. Their immediate supervisor should be the one who takes care of that. Imagine if the president of the US had to listen to every traffic case in the US. NOT EFFICIENT.

I agree with @hellohellohello when he said that he probably didn't even write that himself. If he did, he was probably just bullshitting under the influence, like he did when he said he'd buy twitter.

Not even "not efficient", just not realistic at all. I'm sure Elon cares that his employee was hurt, but THAT MUCH? Helllllll no.

[Rusal]

​We're in the decisive hours of the aptly-named Aliveonics, people.

For if he makes a sincere reading of the LSI profiles he'll concede that archetype evoked is generally closer to the teacher's pet dweeb that can go so deep into what interests him that everything spiraling out of control until s/he ends up in an interview with G. is actually a possibility in their case. So their abundance here could be explained.

Or he can go all in, deny the person we all came across at least once in our lives actually exists and affirm that all LSIs are is professional wrestlers and silent hunters.

The second option entails denying reality in a way that's not going to look entirely sound.

The first option is the saner way to go, but that busts his tune: that IEIs are the only types that can venture into an obscure eastern European theory, the launch plank he uses to argue the rest of his perspective.

What will it be?

(I tease Alive, I tease; you know I like you )

[hellohellohello]

​We're in the decisive hours of the aptly-named Aliveonics, people.

For if he makes a sincere reading of the LSI profiles he'll concede that archetype evoked is generally closer to the teacher's pet dweeb that can go so deep into what interests him that everything spiraling out of control until s/he ends up in an interview with G. is actually a possibility in their case. So their abundance here could be explained.

Or he can go all in, deny the person we all came across at least once in our lives actually exists and affirm that all LSIs are is professional wrestlers and silent hunters.

The second option entails denying reality in a way that's not going to look entirely sound.

The first option is the saner way to go, but that busts his tune: that IEIs are the only types that can venture into an obscure eastern European theory, the launch plank he uses to argue the rest of his perspective.

What will it be?

(I tease Alive, I tease; you know I like you )

I like this post a lot. So much that I'm actually commenting saying I like it vs. clicking "Like This Post". This was very spot on and for that, I applaud you

[lynn]

he's a dominant subtype with peak genetics

https://i.insider.com/5dee4fe9fd9db2...jpeg&auto=webp

he has the physical energy. it's unrelated to his sociotype.

it doesn't matter. I feel like we are just running in circles here and no matter what evidence I post you will never change your opinion. I'm sure logical types start their mails with "it breaks my heart when someone is injured".

He is a NC-subtype, not dominant.

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@Alive, maybe my statement is irrelevant, but I can't imagine writing an email like the above that you quoted. First, my heart doesn't break when employees are injured. Instead, I tend to make sure that they get the best care possible, and then turn to the problem of why they were injured. Inadequate training? Unsafe machines or working conditions? Then fix them right away, because a worker is the most valuable piece of equipment that a company has, and you don't want to lose any, or reduce their efficiency at work because they are having to second-guess their environment.

Second, having every injured worker report to me after they recover is a huge waste of time. Their immediate supervisor should be the one who takes care of that. Imagine if the president of the US had to listen to every traffic case in the US. NOT EFFICIENT.

hey Adam, wanna see some videos of an ILI criticizing a Te PolR? how shitty his projects are from a logistical and practical standpoint? you know, the things that Te thinks about, a cost–benefit analysis

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https://i.redd.it/17wvvwr69s781.jpg

"Hey guys, apply your VI-skills on me. Introverted Logical Type, r-r-right?"

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/623889354604900242/

A 17 year-old Elon Musk, wearing two hats and holding a hammer the wrong way.

[Adam Strange]

https://i.redd.it/17wvvwr69s781.jpg

"Hey guys, apply your VI-skills on me. Introverted Logical Type, r-r-right?"

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/623889354604900242/

A 17 year-old Elon Musk, wearing two hats and holding a hammer the wrong way.

@Alive, those links led to some interesting pictures of Elon when he was young.

To be honest, he doesn’t VI like a logical type at all in those pictures. He looks like an introvert and a Te-PoLR SEI, as you almost said.

I believe his mother was a domineering LIE, and this could have affected his behavior and appearance then, although even very twisted people tend to become “themselves” in late middle age. When young, he might have been channeling his “inner SEI” as a reaction to his LIE mother, to prevent being absorbed whole by her.
(This was a fear I had with my own mother, a violent LSE narcissist. I partially built a defense against her by having two friends; one was her IEI Conflictor and the other was my Dual ESI. Sword and Shield, respectively*.)

Elon does sometimes now give me the impression that he’s living someone else’s life. He’s philandering like his father and going to Mars like his mother, and in the meantime is doing stupid, self-destructive things like promising self-driving cars, smoking weed with Joe Rogan, and threatening to buy Twitter.

These are not the actions of a man at peace with himself, who is operating in the area of his inner beliefs, but rather are the actions of someone who is drowning in a false life and is screaming for help.

There is a real person in there somewhere, but who is he?


*Yes, the IEI was the Sword. I know it’s not what you would expect, but IEIs have inner cores of steel. The ESI was the shield and he provided me with a safe place where I could recover from the War.

[Rusal]

https://i.redd.it/17wvvwr69s781.jpg

"Hey guys, apply your VI-skills on me. Introverted Logical Type, r-r-right?"

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/623889354604900242/

A 17 year-old Elon Musk, wearing two hats and holding a hammer the wrong way.

Does he look like he could hold a hammer the right way?

Your whole shtick -starting from the denial that some of the LSI that have been typed as such actually are of that type-depends on turning LSIs into SLIs. LSI are more into knowledge and learning, regulations, etc- they're not as proficient as The Craftsman.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

I don't really see a point in this discussion anymore. Gulenko says

The basic scale of The Big 5 can relate to socionics, as there are a lot of similiarities. The first factor is extroversion, which correlates to socionics extroversion. It is the first noticeable, “on the surface” trait. The second factor is openness, which is when a person is open to new things, which correlates to socionics intuition. The third factor is conscientiousness, which relates to socionics rationality. The fourth factor is agreeableness, which means that you will agree with society’s standards, which correlates with socionics ethics, especially ethics of relationships, which is introverted feeling.

https://wikisocion.github.io/content...ko%20interview

Insisting that Musk has a type with low openess is beyond my comprehension

[hellohellohello]

I don't really see a point in this discussion anymore. Gulenko says

The basic scale of The Big 5 can relate to socionics, as there are a lot of similiarities. The first factor is extroversion, which correlates to socionics extroversion. It is the first noticeable, “on the surface” trait. The second factor is openness, which is when a person is open to new things, which correlates to socionics intuition. The third factor is conscientiousness, which relates to socionics rationality. The fourth factor is agreeableness, which means that you will agree with society’s standards, which correlates with socionics ethics, especially ethics of relationships, which is introverted feeling.

https://wikisocion.github.io/content...ko%20interview

Insisting that Musk has a type with low openess is beyond my comprehension

Hey, "Ti-Dom", you do know that just because something is correlated with another doesn't mean that it's always the case, right?

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Hey, "Ti-Dom", you do know that just because something is correlated with another doesn't mean that it's always the case, right?

If it's not always the case, then your hypothesis is useless. If sensing perception is related to not trying anything new, prefering tried and tested approaches (as Gulenko writes in his book), then musk is simply not a sensing type. Otherwise you are just forcing gulenko's opinion as truth because you see him as authority figure and sorry, this simply doesn't work for me.

The only reason people cling to him as LSI is the fact that Gulenko types him that way

[hellohellohello]

If it's not always the case, then your hypothesis is useless. If sensing perception is related to not trying anything new, prefering tried and tested approaches (as Gulenko writes in his book), then musk is simply not a sensing type. Otherwise you are just forcing gulenko's opinion as truth because you see him as authority figure and sorry, this simply doesn't work for me.

The only reason people cling to him as LSI is the fact that Gulenko types him that way

What hypothesis am I trying to make? And if you are so against Gulenko, why are you using his opinion on the correlation between Big 5 and Socionics as the basis for your argument?

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What hypothesis am I trying to make? And if you are so against Gulenko, why are you using his opinion on the correlation between Big 5 and Socionics as the basis for your argument?

You see, you have the typical beta us v them perspective. You think I am against him but I respect the work he has done. I simply point out that it doesn't make sense for him to be a sensing type when the things he does are completely the opposite of what gulenko writes about them. You don't consider the points I make here at all, you ignore them actually. For you Musk is LSI because Gulenko says so and everyone else is wrong

[Northstar]

Alice is not worth talking to, he’s a moron.

[hellohellohello]

You see, you have the typical beta us v them perspective. You think I am against him but I respect the work he has done. I simply point out that it doesn't make sense for him to be a sensing type when the things he does are completely the opposite of what gulenko writes about them. You don't consider the points I make here at all, you ignore them actually. For you Musk is LSI because Gulenko says so and everyone else is wrong

Bruh... do you realize this: "Otherwise you are just forcing gulenko's opinion as truth" is exactly what you just did with the Big 5/Socionics correlation? You continue to do this with everything else Gulenko has written...

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From Gulenko's Book Page 34/35/36:

In society, sensory types focus on the past, on accumulated experience. Poorly foreseeing the future, sensory types live for today or to the nearest guaranteed prospect. By their own initiative, they will not seriously engage in anything fundamentally new that is not yet tested. Intuitives are oriented towards the future of society. Those who offer - and are the first to pick up all major innovations - are mostly intuitve types. They are not afraird to take risks, introducing something no one believes in at first glance. They shape the future of society, and not just small improvements, but large-scale changes that promise a radical revolution. Sensory types have poor imagination. Their brains are too attached to the details of reality to allow themselves a bold breakthrough in an unknown field.

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Critics in the early stages of Tesla always said that an affordable electric car would not be possible. Even at times when his company was on the verge of bankruptcy he poured his own money into the business to have it continue running. Bloomerg (2014) reported that Musk used all his money he made from selling Paypal into Tesla in order to continue funding for designs and advancements, luckily he was able to take the company from the ground up and make it what it is today. He has continuously taken huge business risks, and continues to do so even with the current deals in negotiation to purchase SolarCity.

Elon Musk is very high in trait openness, very imaginative, intelligent, clearly has a preference for thinking abstractly. Almost everything about him seems unconventional and unique. As well as his passion for engineering, he is also strongly involved in the aesthetics design of his developments. He clearly has a great interest in ideas, aesthetics and adventure, which are strongly associated with the openness trait. You have to be nuts to read this and still consider him a sensing types, but I guess I have have to deal with intellectual midgets who insult me as a moron or idiot here.

[hellohellohello]

From Gulenko's Book Page 34/35/36:

In society, sensory types focus on the past, on accumulated experience. Poorly foreseeing the future, sensory types live for today or to the nearest guaranteed prospect. By their own initiative, they will not seriously engage in anything fundamentally new that is not yet tested. Intuitives are oriented towards the future of society. Those who offer - and are the first to pick up all major innovations - are mostly intuitve types. They are not afraird to take risks, introducing something no one believes in at first glance. They shape the future of society, and not just small improvements, but large-scale changes that promise a radical revolution. Sensory types have poor imagination. Their brains are too attached to the details of reality to allow themselves a bold breakthrough in an unknown field.

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Critics in the early stages of Tesla always said that an affordable electric car would not be possible. Even at times when his company was on the verge of bankruptcy he poured his own money into the business to have it continue running. Bloomerg (2014) reported that Musk used all his money he made from selling Paypal into Tesla in order to continue funding for designs and advancements, luckily he was able to take the company from the ground up and make it what it is today. He has continuously taken huge business risks, and continues to do so even with the current deals in negotiation to purchase SolarCity.

Elon Musk is very high in trait openness, very imaginative, intelligent, clearly has a preference for thinking abstractly. Almost everything about him seems unconventional and unique. As well as his passion for engineering, he is also strongly involved in the aesthetics design of his developments. He clearly has a great interest in ideas, aesthetics and adventure, which are strongly associated with the openness trait. You have to be nuts to read this and still consider him a sensing types, but I guess I have have to deal with intellectual midgets who insult me as a moron or idiot here.

Not sure if you know this, but Teslas aren't that innovative. The idea for EVs has been around for years and years, Musk was just the one to bring it to the masses (almost). Yes, their technology is innovative but I highly doubt Musk even came up with that by himself.

Actually, the whole approach behind Tesla is pretty Ti-Si. He's combined a couple of different ideas to bring it to the masses for comfort and style.

Edit: He's also named his whole line of Teslas S3XY. If that ain't Beta ST humor...