So, How to date a dual and do I have one or is duality a myth?

[ILoveChinchillas]

I think I'll let you figure it out, it will be interesting then. I am glad I posted here today as I am reminded that conceptions without experience are void.

I understand what you mean when you say conceptions about experience are void. This subject matter is treading on experiential ground, and it also treads on subconscious ground, which is even harder to communicate IMO.

I mean, the way I see it, when someone is "natural", they subconsciously queue their dual to cover for their blind-spots, as duality is a subconscious need. For example, I once had an SEE coworker who took care of practical tasks for me after I was clearly letting go of any forced conviction about taking care of the practical tasks myself. It was pretty easy - granted, we weren't dating and I was actually helping her out in her own relationship by covering her shifts.

[Lord Pixel]

I think I'll let you figure it out, it will be interesting then. I am glad I posted here today as I am reminded that conceptions without experience are void.

That's exactly how I feel about most of what you say, your conceptions are made void by my experience, which I'm glad your conceptions don't affect or change my experience, I can walk outside and have an easy time with a dual despite your theory about it being something so complicated and difficult to maintain.

[Ocean Man]

That's exactly how I feel about most of what you say, your conceptions are made void by my experience, which I'm glad your conceptions don't affect or change my experience, I can walk outside and have an easy time with a dual despite your theory about it being something so complicated and difficult to maintain.

Ne PoLR is a hell of a drug. You may have the last word, but I'll have the last laugh.

[Lord Pixel]

Ne PoLR is a hell of a drug. You may have the last word, but I'll have the last laugh.

I'm Ne PoLR? LOL you're not serious bruh.

[Armitage]

I think it is not about comfort, it is about capability and the need to use. If you have a specialist that can do something for you, naturally you will let them do it - that is how the relation works. The intuitive comes up with an idea, the sensor executes it in the real world.

Based on my own experiences I beg to differ. For instance, my ESI-Se cycling friend is encouraging me to start hitting the Gym again. I used to do so before I begun my computer science minor and the whole COVID lockdowns hit and I have been wanting to pick it up again. He isn't taking over, instead he encourages me and helps me prioritize what is really important to me. He has been able to persuade me to keep in touch with fewer acquintances and to focus more on my inner circle and sports, while leaving it up to me to decide who the close contacts in my inner-circle are.

[Ocean Man]

Based on my own experiences I beg to differ. For instance, my ESI-Se cycling friend is encouraging me to start hitting the Gym again. I used to do so before I begun my computer science minor and the whole COVID lockdowns hit and I have been wanting to pick it up again. He isn't taking over, instead he encourages me and helps me prioritize what is really important to me. He has been able to persuade me to keep in touch with fewer acquintances and to focus more on my inner circle and sports, while leaving it up to me to decide who the close contacts in my inner-circle are.

That simply is not ESI and LIE Duality. Whoever typed you two has no idea what they're doing. From your story, I can say that your friend is most likely an ST (techinical-managerial) type. He does seem like an introvert, so whoever typed him got that right - I'd say he's not ESI, but LSI. Your proposed low energy and introversion corresponds to ILI over LIE. But, ILI seems unlikely for you as you are likely a Positivist - so a Harmonizing subtype is more appropriate in the Socionics system. Furthermore, LIE as a type has no issues with motivation (regardless of subtype). Same with SLEs. Unless they are ill or in failing health, most likely due to overworking.

All I can do for you is suggest that you get your types sorted out correctly. VG is doing discounted typings right now, so if you want a professional opinion, I'd go to him before he gets killed by shrapnel.

[Ocean Man]

I'm Ne PoLR? LOL you're not serious bruh.

You are logical. You request facts, but you do not operate on them. It is only playful use. Most likely Sensoric. You are stubborn, argumentative, rowdy. LSIs, once they make up their mind about something it stays that way regardless of reality. You refuse to question your beliefs on a concept, this is a trait of LSI's cognitive style. You do not admit you could be wrong in the field of activity. Your refusal of acknowledging the reality of the Duality relation is like a little boy refusing to acknowledge that Santa Claus is not real. You also speak on the theory only in relation of dogmatic rules, dimensionality (faulty old theory), things like this. This is more outdated Vertical System Logic to me. This kind of obedience to an artificial system is also related to Process types.

So yes, you most likely have a functional part in your psyche called an "Ne PoLR." That means that you have a mental disability when it comes to understanding new ideas that go against what you already know. Basically, after how you've behaved towards me it is only natural that I think you are retarded in that way.

[Ryan]

@StereoTYPE are you ILE? If not please state your type.

[Lord Pixel]

You are logical...

thanks.

rowdy

That was rowdy?

You are logical. You request facts, but you do not operate on them. It is only playful use. Most likely Sensoric. You are stubborn, argumentative, rowdy. LSIs, once they make up their mind about something it stays that way regardless of reality. You refuse to question your beliefs on a concept, this is a trait of LSI's cognitive style. You do not admit you could be wrong in the field of activity. Your refusal of acknowledging the reality of the Duality relation is like a little boy refusing to acknowledge that Santa Claus is not real. You also speak on the theory only in relation of dogmatic rules, dimensionality (faulty old theory), things like this. This is more outdated Vertical System Logic to me. This kind of obedience to an artificial system is also related to Process types.

So yes, you most likely have a functional part in your psyche called an "Ne PoLR." That means that you have a mental disability when it comes to understanding new ideas that go against what you already know. Basically, after how you've behaved towards me it is only natural that I think you are retarded in that way.

Took you a couple days, I love this, I also love how crazy wrong it is. I never attacked you personally but you seem mad enough about what I've said to resort to trying to offend me and it's just silly on your part, you could simply agree to disagree claim I'm misinformed, whatever and left it at that but you'd rather name call and make assumptions about me. Claiming I'm Ne PoLR doesn't prove any of the points you made. It also doesn't seem to take much for you to type someone as LSI.

[Armitage]

That simply is not ESI and LIE Duality. Whoever typed you two has no idea what they're doing. From your story, I can say that your friend is most likely an ST (techinical-managerial) type. He does seem like an introvert, so whoever typed him got that right - I'd say he's not ESI, but LSI. Your proposed low energy and introversion corresponds to ILI over LIE. But, ILI seems unlikely for you as you are likely a Positivist - so a Harmonizing subtype is more appropriate in the Socionics system. Furthermore, LIE as a type has no issues with motivation (regardless of subtype). Same with SLEs. Unless they are ill or in failing health, most likely due to overworking.

All I can do for you is suggest that you get your types sorted out correctly. VG is doing discounted typings right now, so if you want a professional opinion, I'd go to him before he gets killed by shrapnel.

Did you perhaps mean LSEs instead of SLEs? I would sure like to possess the great energy and vigour of SLEs, but I believe that to be unrealistic. I do match LSEs, on the other hand, in the zest that I display in my activities.

Your interpretation of the information requires some rectification, because the reason I did not pick up working out again earlier is actually not due to a lack of motivation. The obstacles for me to exercising regularly were instead a of lack of time, due to all the competing activities I engage in, and a lack of confidence about my body (Si PoLR) when comparing myself to regular Gym-goers.

I have to say that you underestimate ESI's capability to manage people, especially the Se subtype is competent at this. I am convinced that he is an ethical type, because it shows in his way how he reasons about justice and unfairness, as he readily sacrifices his own interest for that of the greater good. He is also very interested into facts, which I gladly provide, but theories he regularly tends to find too far-fetched. Not to mention his great empathy towards other people and animals, his avoidance of any inauthenticity and of group behaviours make him differ from the LSI friends I have.

So far you seem to retype almost everyone you come across and hear of, which either means that everyone is incorrect about themselves or you might jump to conclusions too quickly. You might want to consider that the person has more experience with themselves than you have with them before telling them that they are mistaken.

You may reply to this message and I shall read it, but because I have other responsibilities to take care of, I may not respond to it. Feel free to use or disuse the information that I provided as you see fit.

[Ocean Man]

Took you a couple days, I love this, I also love how crazy wrong it is.

Obnoxious, and close-minded are traits that normally correspond to low metalevel LSIs. I don't see the problem. Also your weak sense of T (Time) only reinforces my opinion. Let me know what VG thinks if you ever man up and get typed by him, bruh. If you are not a stupid LSI you have done a fabulous job of impersonating a stupid LSI; yet I don't think you are that clever, oh no no, so that possibility is most likely off the table. Regardless, it is now likely that you are in the terminal stages of Ne PoLR, bruh. Normally I think that there are possibilities for everyone, but as a fake doctor, we'll have to grab the gun and put you out of your misery, bruh.

Did you perhaps mean LSEs instead of SLEs?

Te Base and Se Base types are the most active energetically. Again, your friend is not ESI. ESI does not care about justice, this is low energy Fi attributed to LSI. You have hung yourself by giving me more information that only reinforces my original concept. Do you know who cares about justice? Police officers (classic LSI job). The fictional character Batman, an LSI archetype. You seem to lack an understanding of functions, and types as holistic images. I can disregard your ignorance, but I should not disregard you trying to force your absolutely ignorant opinion in my face like it is true - especially when it isn't even interesting. I have been more than kind to you by telling you how things actually work. My reward? Further stupidity, a refusal to accept the possibility that things are different from what you believe. I think that you should introspect on why it is you feel so threatened by new ideas that work. Why cling on to old ones that don't? The rest of your post I skimmed, I think it is safe to say that you are LSI along with @Lord Pixel now. It is pretty obvious you are not a Result type, and you value Ti. Probably not ILI. Definitely not LIE. No further information is needed as I see that you and your friend are most likely Identicals, and not Duals. You are free to tend to your responsibilities, I will enjoy my hobbies.

Lastly. Yes, you are incorrect about yourself and it seems most people here probably are too. You can buy a degree, but can you buy the ability to open your mind? Hopefully in the future you can. That's the last I have to say on the matter as more from me would turn it into even more of a lecture solely for your benefit.

[Lord Pixel]

Obnoxious, and close-minded are traits that normally correspond to low metalevel LSIs. I don't see the problem. Also your weak sense of T (Time) only reinforces my opinion. Let me know what VG thinks if you ever man up and get typed by him, bruh. If you are not a stupid LSI you have done a fabulous job of impersonating a stupid LSI; yet I don't think you are that clever, oh no no, so that possibility is most likely off the table. Regardless, it is now likely that you are in the terminal stages of Ne PoLR, bruh. Normally I think that there are possibilities for everyone, but as a fake doctor, we'll have to grab the gun and put you out of your misery, bruh.
Te Base and Se Base types are the most active energetically. Again, your friend is not ESI. ESI does not care about justice, this is low energy Fi attributed to LSI. You have hung yourself by giving me more information that only reinforces my original concept. Do you know who cares about justice? Police officers (classic LSI job). The fictional character Batman, an LSI archetype. You seem to lack an understanding of functions, and types as holistic images. I can disregard your ignorance, but I should not disregard you trying to force your absolutely ignorant opinion in my face like it is true - especially when it isn't even interesting. I have been more than kind to you by telling you how things actually work. My reward? Further stupidity, a refusal to accept the possibility that things are different from what you believe. I think that you should introspect on why it is you feel so threatened by new ideas that work. Why cling on to old ones that don't? The rest of your post I skimmed, I think it is safe to say that you are LSI along with @Lord Pixel now. It is pretty obvious you are not a Result type, and you value Ti. Probably not ILI. Definitely not LIE. No further information is needed as I see that you and your friend are most likely Identicals, and not Duals. You are free to tend to your responsibilities, I will enjoy my hobbies.

Lastly. Yes, you are incorrect about yourself and it seems most people here probably are too. You can buy a degree, but can you buy the ability to open your mind? Hopefully in the future you can. That's the last I have to say on the matter as more from me would turn it into even more of a lecture solely for your benefit.

Yay, me and @Armitage are LSI bros. Bruh loves to type people LSI, bruh. You seem to be typing LSI mostly based off disagreements tho, which isn't a good typing method.

That's the last I have to say on the matter as more from me would turn it into even more of a lecture solely for your benefit.

LOL I love this guy. I think your type is Sol.

[Ocean Man]

You seem to be typing LSI mostly based off disagreements.

Wrong again, bruh. Ladies and gentleman, all spectators in the audience, this is what happens when you try to have a conversation with an LSI. They simply have... a listening problem. Case closed! Rating: Bruh/10

[Lord Pixel]

Wrong again, bruh. Ladies and gentleman, all spectators in the audience, this is what happens when you try to have a conversation with an LSI. They simply have... a listening problem. Case closed! Rating: Bruh/10

Bruh/10 actually sounds like an awesome rating bruh.

But take a look at this:

Further stupidity, a refusal to accept the possibility that things are different from what you believe. I think that you should introspect on why it is you feel so threatened by new ideas that work. Why cling on to old ones that don't? The rest of your post I skimmed, I think it is safe to say that you are LSI along with @Lord Pixel now. It is pretty obvious you are not a Result type, and you value Ti. Probably not ILI. Definitely not LIE. No further information is needed as I see that you and your friend are most likely Identicals, and not Duals.

*cough * *cough* your ideas, that you think work.

You are stubborn, argumentative, rowdy. LSIs, once they make up their mind about something it stays that way regardless of reality. You refuse to question your beliefs on a concept, this is a trait of LSI's cognitive style. You do not admit you could be wrong in the field of activity.

I can admit I'm wrong about something, I simply just don't agree with your concepts or theories, hence why you type me LSI.

So yes, you most likely have a functional part in your psyche called an "Ne PoLR." That means that you have a mental disability when it comes to understanding new ideas that go against what you already know. Basically, after how you've behaved towards me it is only natural that I think you are retarded in that way.

Once again, because I disagree with you, you conclude that I must be "Ne PoLR", wow. Faulty typing.

[ILoveChinchillas]

[Ocean Man]

Blah blah

Well, what type do you think you are?

[Lord Pixel]

Well, what type do you think you are?

I'm pretty sure I said my dual on here was LSE. Which is why Ne PoLR is so hilarious to me.

[Ocean Man]

I'm pretty sure I said my dual on here was LSE. Which is why Ne PoLR is so hilarious to me.

Calm down, bruh - it's just a theory. Regardless, LSE as your Dual is highly unlikely. Tell me, are you ugly IRL? Bad hair? This is important.

[Lord Pixel]

Calm down, bruh - it's just a theory. Regardless, LSE as your Dual is highly unlikely. Tell me, are you ugly IRL? Bad hair? This is important.

Oh I'm calm it's you I'm worried about, you don't seem to like disagreements.

But yea I'd say I'm a 7/10 in looks for a guy, and just got a nice hair cut.

[Ocean Man]

Oh I'm calm it's you I'm worried about, you don't seem to like disagreements.

That's called projecting.

But yea I'd say I'm a 7/10 in looks for a guy, and just got a nice hair cut.

Bruh, you can't even type yourself correctly as a Process type, bruh. Theoretically that lowers your looks down to a 5/10 at most, but realistically, you are a 3/10.

[Lord Pixel]

That's called projecting.

I can disagree with you perfectly fine and not resort to insults though.

Bruh, you can't even type yourself correctly as a Process type, bruh. Theoretically that lowers your looks down to a 5/10 at most, but realistically, you are a 3/10.

Lol Ok, not sure what's your point or how my looks have anything to do with my type, this is also a major derail.

[Ocean Man]

I can disagree with you perfectly fine and not resort to insults though.

That may be true, but what if your existence is an insult to people that don't have Ne PoLR?

Lol Ok, not sure what's your point or how my looks have anything to do with my type, this is also a major derail.

You claim to be intuitive yet have no idea how that could theoretically correspond to human behavior and its implications on a deeper level? This isn't looking good for you, bruh.

[Lord Pixel]

That may be true, but what if your existence is an insult to people that don't have Ne PoLR?
You claim to be intuitive yet have no idea how that could theoretically correspond to human behavior and its implications on a deeper level? This isn't looking good for you, bruh.

Lol ok, this is getting dumb.

[Ocean Man]

Lol ok, this is getting dumb.

Calm down, you have convinced me. I have changed your typing... You are an LSI that has deluded itself into thinking it is an EII for a long time. This is different from a normal LSI that is simply an asshole, you should be pleased.

[Ryan]

All these likes are confusing considering the content of your posts. Are you two flirting?

[Lord Pixel]

All these likes are confusing considering the content of your posts. Are you two flirting?

I think that was his plan all along.

[Armitage]

No further information is needed as I see that you and your friend are most likely Identicals, and not Duals. You are free to tend to your responsibilities, I will enjoy my hobbies.

Thanks bruh, I'm LSI now! Gotta go lifting with my LSI buddy! This totally explains why da Gym feels so natural to me! Get gains, get shredded, get swole!

@StereoTYPE are you ILE? If not please state your type.

You still have to answer Ryan, bro. Don't ghost, it's rude. It's only okay to ghost when you're at the Gym doing your workout. No-one gets to keep me from doing ma reps.

[chriscorey]

Calm down, bruh - it's just a theory. Regardless, LSE as your Dual is highly unlikely. Tell me, are you ugly IRL? Bad hair? This is important.

In my opinion he's a ten for looks, but there's no accounting for taste. From my perspective he's being modest.

[Bethanyclaire]

My IEE friend appears to have met a dual. She had been worried she would never meet someone and wouldn’t get to have kids.
To me, she is very normal and successful as a person. But she went through some difficult things in the last few years. We became close during the pandemic and I’ve told her bits and pieces about socionics, including mentioning that SLIs are often engineers. (This guy she’s dating used to be an engineer). I’m pretty sure a lot of the advice I’ve given her must have subconsciously sunk in and helped her filtering processes in selecting people. However, I think she is also quite fussy and had dated duals in the past. She also saw a therapist recently (private not NHS), who encouraged her to be less fussy but also not to go for ‘boring, safe’ types. And now she’s dating a dual and it all seems good.

[Ocean Man]

You still have to answer Ryan, bro. Don't ghost, it's rude. It's only okay to ghost when you're at the Gym doing your workout. No-one gets to keep me from doing ma reps.

My type is: Carl Jung Red Grape Non-Alcoholic wine. Subtype: Glass Bottle (375 ml).

[Bethanyclaire]

I think my grandparents might have been duals- an SLI who abused my IEE grandma. And I think my other grandma’s partner was her dual, yet she still had drinking problems. There were other factors of course. But the abuse had some knock on effect into my generation certainly. I’m mentioning this just to point out that dual couples can in some cases be unhealthy/not the holy grail.

[Beautiful sky]

I'll never understand why people are so obsessed with their romantic lives. With all the power that typology can give a person if well understood and applied, and yet somehow finding an ideal girlfriend/boyfriend seems to be the focal point of this forum. If as much time and energy was spent trying to use the theory to better themselves as discussing romantic and sexual prospects of the types, the level would of intellectual discussion on this forum would be impressive. As Ron Weasley says (the Socionics community being Hermione here):

Lol sooo Fi devaluing

In any case

Get on a dating site
State your mbti and Socionics type make sure they are the same as in no j/p switch
Ask to date the dual and state that mbti type
Someone of that type will find you

[Bethanyclaire]

Lol sooo Fi devaluing

In any case

Get on a dating site
State your mbti and Socionics type make sure they are the same as in no j/p switch
Ask to date the dual and state that mbti type
Someone of that type will find you

Not bad advice... Did not think of it..

I like your pic btw.

[Ocean Man]

I think that was his plan all along.

Look, you've got it all wrong, nothing was planned - I don't dislike any type, especially LSIs. LSIs taught me important things in life like the concept of the Hot-Crazy Matrix and the principle: Wine 'em, Dine 'em, 69 'em.

[Bethanyclaire]

i wanted to highlight my post from a different thread so posting here as it relates to duality: What is your IQ? - Page 6 (the16types.info)

[one]

Except for my dual family members, I only meet Se leads unexpectedly when I don’t even wanna be there. Idk I don’t want to hate on this ITR exactly by putting bad associations but my thought regarding those experiences is always that it was ok but I wish I just never stepped out of the house that day.

Idk if it’s just because I’m Ni lead though and super introverted. So I would only care going out if I need to do some errand or I’m with someone I know. I also prefer sticking with people I’m close to like someone I have already have deep feelings with or has the potential for that. But the latter would only happen if I lowkey choose them because then I would step up and actually talk, but I don’t get the feeling of wanting to connect when I’m outside of my familiar territory.

[Bethanyclaire]

Except for my dual family members, I only meet Se leads unexpectedly when I don’t even wanna be there. Idk I don’t want to hate on this ITR exactly by putting bad associations but my thought regarding those experiences is always that it was ok but I wish I just never stepped out of the house that day.

Idk if it’s just because I’m Ni lead though and super introverted. So I would only care going out if I need to do some errand or I’m with someone I know. I also prefer sticking with people I’m close to like someone I have already have deep feelings with or has the potential for that. But the latter would only happen if I lowkey choose them because then I would step up and actually talk, but I don’t get the feeling of wanting to connect when I’m outside of my familiar territory.

What about dating apps?

I think some duals meet at work..

hm yeah I think some people just feel a pull to another type, like if you don’t have an IP best friend you might want an IP lover etc, some people want a familiar feeling..

[anotherperson]

duality is for personal development. if you want to rely on ITR, duality isnt the best for marrying anyway. It's better for a freindship or teacher or work colleague.

you wanna get married and stay married, youre better off w activator. Activators ignoring is your POLR , so the likelihood of conflict is quite low. Ofc , you wont improve the POLR as much as a dual , but thence duality is better for productive relations like i mentioned before. Even aushra said that one advantage of activator is a greater degree of support then duality

[one]

What about dating apps?

I think some duals meet at work..

hm yeah I think some people just feel a pull to another type, like if you don’t have an IP best friend you might want an IP lover etc, some people want a familiar feeling..

I got banned then I didn’t care for it anymore. To be fair I’m not really into apps

VI-wise I have a hunch that an SEE guy actually became my coworker, but he left super quickly. To be fair it’s a wfh set up, not much engagement and everyone does things at their own preferred time so you can’t expect people to be always “on” socially though everyone’s amiable. We do meetings but we don’t even care to turn on our cams. It’s perfect for me but not for others. He looks like someone who is more out there or something.

If I would meet my duals it’s probably ideal that we have the same interest, otherwise idk. I thought about this, like why am I not doing anything if between me and my dual I have the knowledge to position myself to meet them but more than anything I guess it’s the question of will my effort actually amount to anything substantial, like if I actually interact with one will the difference in contentment be that high to match what I put in, because as someone like me putting effort is a big deal. I don’t think so atm since I’m pretty comfortable so I guess that’s the biggest blockage. Idk I guess it’s also a factor that I’m just too easy to please lol like what else do I need that I cannot provide or buy. I have no lofty desires. I wonder if it’s just the nature of this duality. I assume my duals are holding themselves ok without me too. I guess I’m not that mature and old to actually need it. Worst case scenario I can take the L and regret when I’m already in my 30s.

But of course that is not to say that I do not see the benefits of one. For example, I notice when interacting with people I can be distrustful of them, or something they would say or do I would be super confused by. Some people just plain annoy me or destroy the peace I have so I disengage after a while. Sometimes I think they’re too cold. Or too boring. Sometimes I think their approach is not enough like they should be closer by this point and attacking already, I’m not getting why they are not doing it. Maybe the annoyance someday would be that big to make me finally move.

[BrainlessSquid]

duality is for personal development. if you want to rely on ITR, duality isnt the best for marrying anyway. It's better for a freindship or teacher or work colleague.

you wanna get married and stay married, youre better off w activator. Activators ignoring is your POLR , so the likelihood of conflict is quite low. Ofc , you wont improve the POLR as much as a dual , but thence duality is better for productive relations like i mentioned before. Even aushra said that one advantage of activator is a greater degree of support then duality

I've dated an activator a while back, and it was pretty easy to start and the good moments were hella good. The thing is, as the name implies, activating too much. After some time together, we would get tired of each other emotionally and had to take a break. It was the easiest to start but we also had pretty common meh moments after getting overactivated.

Duality on the other hand will give you moments of relaxation and moments of activation, so it's like a swinging pendulum and closer to "life"'s rhythm, so you can actually treat the relation as another reality/dimention/universe

I'd say activation is better if you value feeling a whole completely separate individual with own life separate from the other.
Duality usually leads to meshing together and integration, being dependant on each other, etc.

I really think at this point that any relation can work, the thing is, each ITR is better suited for different needs and expectations.