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I haven't seen that actual many ESI examples that just seem ultra-competent and comfortable about everything. They probably aspire to it for the most part, but a lot of them still fuck up, complain, get overwhelmed, etc. I think it's typical even?Originally Posted by lungs
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LUNGS U R SHINING BRIGHT!!!!!!#e
more Se, more Se.
type 6 drunk on steroids ... ?
is that your IEI bf ?
I've never thought of another E-type for you. E 6w7 is easily doable here, no glasses and nerdy look I saw before.
you seem way more happy and self-assured in this pic. and tbh that person's gender is kinda ambiguous, it could have been iei-in-halloween-disguise
Oh hey. Look at that.
I do think you could be EII (and I don't see a ton of Se), but it's not a strong sentiment. More like a musing.
Not especially, but you seem a bit laid back for an IJ. And I definitely don't see Se dominance!
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Much like darya, there have been many times where I've found your posts to be too unrealistic and based on some idealized notions. Same as her, I don't find any use to arguing because arguments between quasi-identicals don't lead anywhere besides slow extinguishment and boredom, and shaking your head at how the other person "doesn't get it". On your part, you have complained that it's difficult for you to get anything across to me, so the dynamic of QI relations is rather obvious in this case. Basing on this, I'd say your attempted relationships with ILIs and IEIs are going to be rather short-lived, since you don't have any Se to keep them interested and at some point they will disengage or appear to be too disengaged from your worries and not sufficiently supportive.I'm just trying to think more pragmatically - this is how shit works, people are assholes, so one should try to protect himself to not get hurt. I find your moral standards about how humane people should be kinda idealistic and unrealistic. But I really don't wanna fight with you cause I would rather save my energy for someone whose views I actually disagree with lol.
(Btw, have you thought of being EII lately, cause that would make a lot of sense in how we interact)
Further looking into subtypes, EII-Fi "the humanizer" doesn't sound as accurate the EII-Ne "the explorer and researcher into the human/social values", and particularly these parts sound very much like you:
http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...ubtype_INFj-Ne
"Sensitive, vulnerable, uncertain and erratic ... prone to taking offense despite his best attempts to hide this ... cannot always restrain himself and may burst out in disagreement or indignation. ... Seeks to understand the essence of various subjects and phenomena. Possesses strong associative and figurative thinking and the talent of foresight. Often displays an interest in problems that lie at the intersection of ethics and philosophy. likes to advise, to mentor, to educate others but only within his circle. ... Poorly tolerates loneliness, needs attention of people who are close with him. ... Due to his tendency to take everything close to heart, feels worried and agitated by slighted occasions. Prone to doubt, somewhat indecisive and diffident. .... believes that all-forgiveness corrupts those who deserve to be punished. May sometimes deliver a harsh rebuke for a person whom he thinks to be guilty, but usually wavers before doing so because he is afraid of spoiling his relations with other people and being unfair. At times advocates for harsh measures and punishments. ... " Etc.
i guess i'll reopen the thread now. i thought it was dying a slow death, lol.
i think the eii-ne description and the esi-fi description on the wiki both sound a lot like me, and reading them both hasn't really gotten me anywhere. i also wouldnt say that the dynamic b/w you and i is very similar to the dynamic b/w darya and i (the two of you also seem pretty different to me) and i dont think that a relationship b/w me and either of you is really well-developed enough for this kind of analysis. and then there are other ieis like starfall.
the iei i've been seeing since may is definitely interested in me. there's no doubt about it. i think he is noncommittal, and he's never been super engaged, but based on what he's said about his previous relationships (ie "ive never seen the appeal of living together with someone") i think its just how he is, and i try not to take it personally. ouch, man. why am i attracted to Ni types, and Ni in general? is it a socionics fluke? ive also had the experience of a long-term relationship with an sli that failed largely because i felt like he was too stifling and controlling in his caregiving behavior. so, uh, so far, i'm not fit with any romantic style, lol.
is it just the politically-motivated posts that seem unrealistic and idealistic? or my posts in general?
i think i'm going to stick to esi because when i think of myself as eii, i find it a lot easier to poke holes in it and think, "this isn't right." when i self-typed eii, i found myself fighting off misconceptions and struggling against the common forum understanding of the type a lot more. an esi typing might not be 100% perfect, either, but oh well.
since when is silke IEI? I thought she self-typed EII.
since it's the leading option on my typing poll and you were saying how I love prepackaged Ti categorizations whatever that is supposed to mean: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...4-silke-s-type
@Trevor fucked up my poll. eii-fi and esi-se are tied now.
i dont really feel that similar to @Galen, but i dont feel a higher degree of dissonance than i do with a few gammas, so it probably doesnt mean much. tbh i go back and forth b/w feeling like he's a super hilarious and friendly dude and thinking he's overly condescending and snarky...which maybe fits supervision, though i think of him as eii anyway. (and i suppose my sentiment wouldnt be weird for mirror, either.) he feels uptight in a certain way that is very similar to my iee best friend, and over years of being close with her that quality hasn't really been a problem between us, so maybe it would be similar with him if we talked more. dunno. the idea of us being in the same quadra doesnt make me wanna kick rocks or anything.
i think @silke can seem even more Ij-ish than me, lol, but i can't see her as a Ti devaluer. normalizing subtype? strong role function?
i can see some similarities b/w myself and @Agni but sort of like if i was prouder and cared less about getting along with and appeasing people and was better able to hold my emotions in check. like, she's the refined, name-brand version. but we've never talked privately.
another slow day so i expect to flail around in this thread some more.
maybe i'll just start talking all about other people instead of myself tho haha.
that's supposed to mean you say the SEE dude I'm dating VIs so/sp and PA instead of commenting on his weirdo villain vibe or something. But you can be LII, since you don't really match any IEIs I know. You are twice IJ compared to them. You are still free to use whichever (self-)typing you want whenever you desire to resort to intertype relations, ofc.
btw I actually think radio is lungs' identical, but this is off-topic.
I think you're more Delta than Gamma.
When it comes to PoLR
are IMO more easily overseen through written online conversation than other PoLR.
The PoLR is something you want generally avoid. In written online conversation you can easy avoid
Thanksbut I think SLI fits the bill better.
Te, Ne, Ni, and Ti polr is easiest to spot online, Se, Si, and Fe can be overlooked.
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I see it in clear Se subtypes --- such as Squark, Ainfigfur, or Blackburry. But sure, with the polr it's "obvious" if you're looking for something else. Kind of like if I wanted someone to write dadaist or surrealist poetry or theorize on the history of sexuality and repression in Victorian ages, I would notice some sort of "deficit", kind of like people are not exactly Foucault lol. But normally what I notice in such people is strong Se, vivid energy and a form of more or less gratuitous aggressiveness even when they could look at something from some other perspectives, I guess. Actually back when squark was active she used to catch my attention with comments like "no, no sense of coherence for Ni! that's Ti" (don't recall exactly ...but you get the impression ..in a thread asking if Ni gets some form of holistic harmony or whatever).
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Just for what it's worth, couldn't that even place EII equal to or over IEI? I figure EII's rational information metabolism happens by Fi/Ti, whereas Ti is sought out more as a theoretical vitalizing agent for Fe in IEI rather than as the staple means of rationalization.
As for what Agni meant, my guess is it was an emphasis on the spontaneity of intuitive information formation against empirical circumstances vs the emphasis of introverted judgment on producing things like categories remaining unchanged under varying empirical circumstances. Of course here "empirical" is a bit loose, because it could be more inner than outer data. There is generally a richness of perception to the true Ip types that the Ij types are more aloof to.
Just food for thought - if you generally go by EII, I don't think that's implausible although I just haven't had a chance to interact to see much ethics. But I can see a possible current of delta quadra and signs of Ij (which could be wrong, but just how things seem).
I think a lot of infantiles have a problem with patronising caregiving. I strongly dislike being treated as inadequate, and have almost obsessively low tolerance for controlling behaviour. Can't exactly imagine for example anndelise or Galen to be into that either. Isn't it said that different subtypes of caregivers have a different approach to caregiving - that one is often very controlling and the other does it more indirectly? There sure are a lot of caregivers who will treat you like a child and generally have a "let me do it for you you silly"-type of attitude towards others. But then there's the ones who will not assume you need or want their help if you haven't indicated so, or if they do, they'll still express this through questions and suggestions ("I could pop by the pharmacy on my way home if you want something from there?") instead of orders and statements ("Stay under the blanket, I will go to the pharmacy to buy you X Y and Z").
In regards to erotic attitudes, the first time I've ever identified with any of them was here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/worl...5266064826444/ You've gotta be a member to see it, but I think there's some good stuff in there (particularly about Si).
Eh, I know. It was a long discussion. My "ah ha!" moments were scattered throughout it, some of them from stuff others posted and some just things I was figuring out during the conversation.
i don't relate to the extreme confidence often attributed to aggressor types. i also don't relate to the reluctance to initiate often attributed to Se polr types - i feel much more comfortable being the one to initiate and generally having control over the process so i can be sure that its what i want and not something i'm being pulled along for. but i don't want somebody to be with me just bcuz i MADE them, lol. i do want somebody who is willing to help me with practical things, but not to come in and assume responsibility for it all. its more a matter of if they cared about me they would be willing to help, not that i NEED them to.
I relate strongly to this. btw I tend to think of initiating as being more of an extroversion thing and less of a Se thing just in general.
I think this is just a healthy adult attitude regardless of type.but i don't want somebody to be with me just bcuz i MADE them, lol. i do want somebody who is willing to help me with practical things, but not to come in and assume responsibility for it all. its more a matter of if they cared about me they would be willing to help, not that i NEED them to.
btw, my husband does more around the house and fixes things more than I do.
*a few random comments*
...this may not get you anywhere either but you do -superficially- sound like the two EII-Ne guys I know. I know 1 ESI-Fi guy and you don't sound like him. But that's just some datapoints, not final conclusion. As I said the taxi driver example isn't indicative of Se PoLR.
Anyway, why do you have Fi subtype of either ExI in your profile?
My ESI-Fi ex actually could come across as cute. But bitchy and guarded too. Depended on his mood I guess
As for the last line - yeah well Gamma Se isn't like Beta Se but I think even the latter is just an exaggerated stereotype
Not sure if that's PoLR related but can be seen as Ne PoLR just as much as Se PoLR
Afaik the ignoring mode is more LSI's Ne PoLR.when i'm around xSIs with really obvious Ne polr, i don't really relate to them so much. they can seem willfully ignorant or just ignorant, like....come on, really? being around people with really obvious Se polr is at least kind of cute.
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All of this ties together perfectly with what I wrote a while back about taciturn/narrator and how it bissects the erotic styles, bringing them into sharper relief in the merry quadras, particularly Beta, where all Ni types are taciturn, all Se types are narrative, and interpersonal stratifications are more well-defined (aristocratic).
For the inverse of all three of those reasons (taciturn Se, narrative Ni, democratic), Gamma would be the murkiest. Continuing this through the judicious quadras, and taking into account Agarina at EII, lungs self-type at IxFj, a difference between two different brands of Si, what's liked more of Si here, and everything in the last paragraph (and beyond); Delta has taciturn Si and narrative Ne, Alpha has narrative Si and taciturn Ne, and what's naggy/patronizing for residents of serious quadras may be attentive/endearing/harmless for those in merry quadras.
I have went ESI ever since almost all of the site was going EII years and years ago; the core cog-style based rationale remains, and taciturn (ESI) > narrator (EII) cements it a bit more for me. I've made a slight adjustment to tritype, in light of untangling the more-complex-than-it-would-seem enneagram, massed amounts of typings in the EIDB, tritype galleries; I have adjusted the gut fix from 9w8 to 8w9, making the entire typing Fi-ESI sp/sx 6w7-4w5-8w9.
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she might get banned with that tri type, although it looks like an upgrade. just saying.
I was gonna vote for Fi-ESI but then I read the whole thread and now I don't know what I think anymore.
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