Mental energy spent with random ideas... sure sounds more like N than E. Or the two combined, too.Originally Posted by Mr inappropriate
Mental energy spent with random ideas... sure sounds more like N than E. Or the two combined, too.
Ah, I see it now, you completely ignored the other part of my post which was actually my main example/point with aMental energy spent with random ideas... sure sounds more like N than E. Or the two combined, too.and focused on verbrannte spending energy clearly outwards. Yeah, in her case it can N but obviously with an extroverted attitude.
Because this is not N
Extroversion basicly depends on the limits of your comfort zone in life without the back up of items your already familiar with (like friends, social circle, forum you have already been like 5 years, same restarurant, club, etc. ). Probably this was the reason why I thought E/I wasnt static and changable before. Now, I think its not that dynamic but still you can expand your zone (like building a home and then buying/building another house somewhere else) but its not that easy. What I observed before was more like getting to know your neighbours and going to their places for dinners or sth. which is getting familiar with the environment.
This isn't, no. I didn't respond to it because I didn't agree that this would completely cover I/E but I didn't want to spend more time on this topic.Ah, I see it now, you completely ignored the other part of my post which was actually my main example/point with a
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Because this is not N
Type me lol
@Spider Type me too please. How did I get forgotten?
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
I'm only going point out the people whom I think are different type then what most people think they are.
Maritsa I think could very likely be SEI. Her sensing seems capable.
Adam Strange I tend to think of as LSI, that's just a gut thought though that I haven't collected any evidence for yet.
Starfall/Bullets definitely do not seem like the same type as Aylen/Cassandra. Either Starfall/Bullets are EIE instead of IEI or Aylen/Cassandra are a gamma type instead of IEI, or both.
Chips I think is IEE.
Satan I think is SLI.
Myst I think is LSE. I had a long PM with her about it.
Well it says you joined in 2014 and only have 67 posts so why would I assume you knew all those people well.....no need to be rude about it and put yourself up on a pedestal. Socionics itself is pretty foolish and it's not any more accurate than MBTI.
The only thing you conveniently forget to mention is that in that long PMing I've given you a lot on how my Ni/Ne works etc and it was all in favour of LSI, not LSE, but you choose to ignore it, fine, but then you do this dishonest crap here. Congrats.
Again, I have no idea why you want to believe this typing so much for me.
As for Adam Strange, you mix up Ni ego with Ni HA very clearly... he's as LIE as it gets.
I thought people still had the right to have their own (even if they are different) opinions lol
In that case it was completely unnecessary to mention the PM'ing.
Adam Strange as LSI was the one l was less certain of, that's why I stated it was a gut thought and not something I have have any concrete evidence for, as of yet.
Myst and I are with 99.99% certainty supervision types, me being the supervisor. Our long PM discussions did not have healthy results on Myst's end and she's probably mad at me. That in itself further solidifies my opinion that Myst is the choleric, temperamental LSE rather then the calm, unflappable, iron-like LSI.
"The most characteristic feature of LSE's behavior that allows to identify this sociotype - is periodically occurring outbreaks of rage. They occur when his work and his way of doing things are being criticized, when he is being taught or lectured. -(This is exactly what I did in our discussions) The LSE is especially intolerant of it coming from people who themselves are not engaged in this type of work, who are not competent in it. In such moments he is capable of throwing anything that comes to hand, breaking dishes. Losing his temper he shouts at the critic, points out that person's personal shortcomings, not being shy in choosing expressions. Similar choleric outbreaks also happen when he cannot do something at a particular job."
I rest my case.
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LSIs are NOT unflappable and calm. Again I must say that this kind of rage is most typical of Beta ST types. Betas are known for their intense emotions, Deltas are much more on the calm, neutral side.
values vs
values. You seem to have gotten the quadra values backwards.
LSIs are NOT unflappable and calm. Again I must say that this kind of rage is most typical of Beta ST types. Betas are known for their intense emotions, Deltas are much more on the calm, neutral side.
This was a type description I quoted. If you think it is wrong then feel free to criticize the author.
I remember us disagreeing before on the subject of Si egos, especially LSE, sometimes becoming confrontational. I do agree that LSEs are more calm and easy going in their normal states then LSIs, who are pretty much always confrontational. It doesn't bother me as much with LSIs because I pretty much always expect them to acting like jerks. With LSEs however, I would that argue that stress and situations where their Ni polr is being hit can cause them to lash out and become more like betas do in their normal states. These kinds of unpredictable behavior is what I tend to struggle with more, rather then just pure aggression that is at least predictable.
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Your stereotypes... lol. LSI-Ti is the unflappable one. LSI-Se enjoys entering conflict more.
Btw I would not explain any of this with Supervision relations, lol.
As for the PMs - you are one big troll.
"The most characteristic feature of LSE's behavior that allows to identify this sociotype - is periodically occurring outbreaks of rage. They occur when his work and his way of doing things are being criticized, when he is being taught or lectured. -(This is exactly what I did in our discussions)
No, what you did was run around with bullshit possibilities and not hearing anything else.
The LSE is especially intolerant of it coming from people who themselves are not engaged in this type of work, who are not competent in it. In such moments he is capable of throwing anything that comes to hand, breaking dishes. Losing his temper he shouts at the critic, points out that person's personal shortcomings, not being shy in choosing expressions. Similar choleric outbreaks also happen when he cannot do something at a particular job."
You missed the context of that quote - the first sentence.
I definitely have a choleric streak but it's ridiculous that you think only one type can have that.
I rest my case.the idiocy...
Your stereotypes are again really weird, no type is constantly confrontational or always a jerk. Anyway, feel free to expect me to always act like a jerk to you.
In blue collar workplaces its the delta STs who can be the grouchy, miserable ones. I know this from experience. As they have one way of knowing and doing things, "theirs", and group cohesion does not rely on Fe, only Te, with background Fi. Actually, in the workplace it seems delta STs are the grumpiest people when things go wrong, or "lunch" gets missed where-as Beta STs will hold in the choloric attitudes in favour of maintaining Fe.LSIs are NOT unflappable and calm. Again I must say that this kind of rage is most typical of Beta ST types. Betas are known for their intense emotions, Deltas are much more on the calm, neutral side.
On the flip side if Workplace delta STs are trying to remain cool and calm when they are obviously stressed, then the atmosphere becomes heavy and suffucating, problems get dealt with passive aggressively, and you can cut the tension with a knife. But hey at least everything is remaining calm?
I still with complete honesty can not understand whatever it was I did in our discussions that caused you to see me as a troll, that's why I'm sure we are supervision types. I posted in a manner that was completely natural to me and assure you there was zero intention of trolling on my part. It's in my nature to use anything at my disposal always try to win at whatever I do, and that includes discussions. I apologize if I seemed a bit ruthless in presenting my arguments.
There is a huge difference between being grouchy and miserable versus being full of rage and shouting at others. One internalizes pain and the other externalizes it.
Also, @thehotelambush, I just wanted the note the possibly of our types influencing our perception of what types we tend see as hostile and confrontational. You being an LII, it would make sense that you tend to see ESEs and LSEs in a more positive light than an Ni ego would.
People throwing Ne around to bring up other possibilities and assumptions that really really do not fit the situation usually makes me think they are trolling. Sometimes they really are, sometimes not.
You did not seem ruthless, just trolly.The two aren't the same.
But I'll believe you if you say it wasn't your intention since I know I can take Ne for that even when that's not the intention.
That's a good point - the former fits the LSE husband of my sister well. I always found it strange that even when the situation looks like people and he are about to conflict, he doesn't do the energetic version of anger at all. He will voice what he thinks or he will go in your way passive aggressively but even the voicing of stuff isn't energetic like I'm used to with certain other people. Maybe that really is the Fe/Se devaluing.
It's not a matter of positive or negative -- Si ego types have their own flaws but they're different. Confrontation and conflict is about Se, like it or not.
Reiterating several responses above.
LSIs are not calm and unflappable. I've known some who wear a veneer of calm, then lose it completely when they're pissed. Beware.
LSEs can look pretty calm and stuff their anger. I've known a couple like that. I've also known one who was belligerent and insulting af.
Even though I hate enneagram, it might be more pertinent than socionics on this set of traits.
Yes, I agree, but I think that saying Se is just about confrontation and getting into fights with a people is a simplified, 1-dimensional LII colored viewpoint of Se. Aggression and hostility can be largely influenced by a number of non-socionics related factors such as hormone levels, diet and drugs. There exist Se egos who direct their aggression in a way that is directed more towards the world in general and less towards individual people, like Henry Rollins and Eminem. There are plenty of ways healthy Se egos can choose to channel their aggression in justified ways other then screaming and yelling at people.
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Ive seen rage and shouting from both LSE and SLI. Its even more off putting coming from SLI because it seeminglying comes from nowhere. Seems the image of idealic angel delta NF is also being transfered to the STs....
Straight out of an alphas mouth. Conflict and confrontation happens under any number of reasons. Have you personally worked with Delta STs?
The reason is not the issue here, it's the mental state. If you are in a state of expressing rage this is by definition an excited state that is more reflective of Se (and Fe to some extent) than Si.
@Muddytextures nowhere did I say Se is just about confrontation. If you've read my website it should be clear that I don't think that.
Rage is not type related. What causes the rage is.
Subtype makes a difference too. Te-LSEs and Te-SLIs are much more rage prone than Si-LSEs and Si-SLIs from what I've seen. Te-LSEs tend to lose their anger frequently around those they know well, but can control it around those they don't. Te-SLIs are usually calm, but sometimes go into rage sprees if things are not going their way. Si-LSEs control their anger the majority of the time and appear calm. Si-SLIs tend to be chill as fuck from what I've seen and rarely get angry.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Didn't notice the links. I'll get to reading them.
What are your observations on SLE and LSI subtypes?
I'm not sure about LSI subtypes to be honest, but Ti-SLE is far more chill than Se-SLE. Ti-SLEs tend be rather composed most of the time, but can burst out in rage if pressured, while Se-SLEs are more turbulent from what I've seen.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Not SLI?
Is this some roundabout way of framing me as your daddy or something?While @Starfall might "look" Se-creative from some of her photos, there's no way any LSI would name themselves Starfall with an additional space location and avatar choice. I'm a firm believer in her IEI-ness, no matter how many food things she posts. She's similar to me in many ways, although it might not seem so (probably more than any other posters on 16types, besides Bane: I'm like their love child).
@Starfall is too much of a fickle kitty to be my dual.
So why didn't you consider LSE? I think it's more likely for an EJ to "come off as tremendously EJ" than an IJ to do so. . . and LSEs can certainly be strict and punitive.
FTR I think Inumbra is a fruitful comparison with yourself @DBlackGold Part of it is a similar neuroticism when it comes to other people but also a similar way of handling theoretical inquiry/problems. You both tend to suffer from a flatulent state of doubt that plagues your thought processes and gives off the victimy irrational manipulative vibe. However, I don't necessarily see similarities between the both of you and someone like Scapegrace, who fair enough, might very well be SLI.
The lack of attentiveness to Si associated matters could be related to some contorted explanation for Si-ignoring and I think you're right, it's difficult to see the Ni associated symbolism in Starfall compared to someone like Aylen. I just don't think she's got logics in her ego block is all.
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Difficult to say because I strongly get a dynamic aspect from her temperament. I suppose I can see where you're coming from in making the assumption of Beta and finding it difficult to discern function order from text. SEI-Si 4w5 wouldn't surprise me given the well worn superficial observation about how much she goes on about the darker side of food, exercise and poop. I still think she's probably Beta though.
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It's a larger impression of her overall comportment. However, going from memory, I recall Starfall explicitly relating to the Dynamic mindset with regard to navigating from place to place. She was speaking about some road she used to run or exercise on (I forget) and how in her mind it was one continuous path, as opposed to being episodic as observed in statics. I never get the sense that she describes experiences or stories in terms of a sense of space, but as events that occur dynamically.
Thought of the same when I read it.
I don't really think this is Se role.Lol, good point...probably because I hold this retarded notion that my original typings were all wrong, when they don't have to be
I still think in her case it's +Ti, and if she's LSE then it's id block. Wikisocion's model A articles describe id block as something to the effect of..running in the background, important in a personal sense but not generally displayed, and can be displayed defensively/in cases of poor health or something, so it would make sense if an awful (not weak, but just psychologically unhealthy) manifestation of a function showed up here, right? Also her manifestations of what I think are
Can't say more than that from this.
It's still defined as Sensation.
The jungian text that I read about it doesn't really say if grounded in body or not.
It's Ni that's explicitly not grounded in it and jung's Ni is actually contrasted with groundedness in body in an example.
@Maritsa
still have me as ESI heh?
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