Freudian slip?Originally Posted by Rusal
But yeah, I agree with blaecaedre's comment. What you're describing doesn't sound like typical IEE behavior to me. You're emphasizing all the wrong things.
Freudian slip?
But yeah, I agree with blaecaedre's comment. What you're describing doesn't sound like typical IEE behavior to me. You're emphasizing all the wrong things.
Last edited by Park; 07-20-2022 at 05:33 AM.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
And what were you implying exactly?
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
IEE easily makes contact with others and rapidly becomes the soul of the company. Is able to connect with spectators and students, and is ready to play with their attention.
Observing the IEE for a while it is easy to notice the most characteristic feature of his behavior - the ability to create around himself a close circle of friends, and be in center of their attention
And how do they become the center of attention?
They test their abilities in the moment, write verses, and are ingenious storytellers.
Many times they tell their stories and the originality lies in the way their anecdotes interweave with their apparel of emotions:
Eyes are mobile and expressive. They reflect well his internal emotional state and its relation to others. Their expression is very variable. Gaze frequently is scattered, but it becomes penetrating and deep when it is focused on the interlocutor. Usually benevolent, merry and even coquettish, under the effect of the emotions it can become strained and angry. The mimicry of face corresponds to IEE's emotional state. Emotions of IEE are very variable; therefore his mimicry is diverse - from infectious laughter to strong indignation, from ecstasy to quiet pensiveness
Contrast this to stone-faced SLI.
From outside vs. from inside.
IEE: people, situations, 'others' in jest (or rather: situations with others can be made to sound somewhat ridiculous), 'we' is serious. The SLI comes out unscathed.
EIE (for contrast): LSI is to be 'wounded' by the playfulness. E.g.:
EIE's jokes usually have mystifying and mystic black humor undernotes. ("Daniel, here's what I have done for you ... – are you scared?! - I've left you some food. If you don't eat it up, I will then... – scared?! – I will eat it myself! And only try to not drink the milk. I will feed it to the dogs!! – scared now?! No, not you - the milk of course!..")
Last edited by Rusal; 07-20-2022 at 06:16 AM.
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@Rusal
I'd venture that some of the elements of those descriptions of IEE aren't quite accurate; they do not fit with my experiences of Fi, at least. Of course, any Fi type can turn on Fe if the situation demands it, but it is not what they prefer, and is mainly done under some form of external stress.
>from infectious laughter to strong indignation, from ecstasy to quiet pensiveness
This is Fe - not how IEE directly act often. They are active, open, ''merry'', loud, but the feelings are not played with so much, they do not act so much, they're mainly focused on being affable and kind. When they laugh - it's not so easy to explain, but it's not so forcefully infectious, there's no subconscious or conscious need to 'infect'. You are quite right, of course, in pointing out that Fe is in the 'background', so to speak, it is strong in all ethicists - so it is felt, but it is supressed, indirect, ignored, even disliked by the Fi type - it's an annoying and even painful tool to use (like when Fe types cannot openly express themselves because they have to consider the feelings of an individual there, they can do it skillfully, but they prefer to stimulate the emotional situation).
Of course, to talk about the experiences of types is word against word - there's no empirical evidence for type behavior. But if you think this underlined behaviour consistent with IEE and Fi, i'd suggest considering EIE, IEI for those people.
[QUOTE=blaecaedre;1523368]@Rusal I'd venture that some of the elements of those descriptions of IEE aren't quite accurate; they do not fit with my experiences of Fi, at least. Of course, any Fi type can turn on Fe if the situation demands it, but it is not what they prefer, and is mainly done under some form of external stress.[QUOTE=blaecaedre;1523368]
What I’m describing is observable externally, and it’s not Fe as a valued element (and I don’t think you are comparing Fe ego vs Fi ego correctly). But back to this, I said it’s observable because childlike IEE is going to:Try attracting partner’s interest with fun and interesting conversation and discussion, proposals, humor, ethical and mental exploration, and quirky statements.
Where and how do the ‘quirky statements’ and ‘humor’ appear in the IEE. Well typically if left to their own devices, they’ll just start speaking of something that’s been going on and that involves other people, not unoften threading a pensive and serious recount of the situation and then do a 180 on let out the quirkiness. It looks theatrical from outside because it’s part of the storytelling, but the background is Ne+Fi.
Unlikely. If SLI can stand Ne+Fi it is because it’s like a long reflection on relationships + quirkiness that is not a direct appeal to said SLI. EIEs mark a tempo with what they said, like the pulsating lights inside a nightclub that evolves and changes much more rapidly not focusing in neverending stories of ‘relationships’ and people but on the outside with highlights for the proper/improper of the situation and a feel of ‘where is society going with this, can you believe it, kids these days, now I’ll kill you’ as unstable as that sounds. The IEI suggestion is more preposterous as it’s not in the IEI nature to be a stroyteller and have 1,000 ‘friends’ that can used as fodder to sit down and analyze while stretching an anecdote for hours. They are reflective type that lack the relations and the inclination to analyze events and people in that manner using Ne+Fi power of insight. They just come out of their reflexive state to make a colorful association with some lightness and humor to it many times. If they are around their quadra they can get downright silly at times but that’s it.
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@blaecaedre if you want to see what I'm getting at watch SNL clips from some years back. Kate McKinnon, Cecily Strong, Nasim Pedrad all IEE; so is Stephnie Weir in those old clips from Mad TV the best of the cast, there's a talent for improv there.
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McKinnon is Fe valuing
Cecily Strong feels more like an intuitive logical type
Pedrad - I doubt she's IEE, most likely IEI (not totally excluding SEI, either)
Weir is not IEE, maybe EIE
here's IEE, for comparison
We'll, you don't have much experience being an observer of SLI-IEE duality. And Fe an element that you seem to register much. For example, what makes you say Weir might be EIE rather than IEE?
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My impressions from VI - I felt Fe, extraversion, not any Si
That you seem to often type Fe valuing types as IEE may explain why you think theatricality to be a significant part of their behaviour
Look at this photo of her. An EIE would be hard-pressed to pose like this for a picture, it's simply not in their inclination to present child-like ‘quirky’ behavior, mainly because it's not within their usual palette of expressions as they seek to project more of an image of a serious person... and pouts, crazy eyes, hair-pulling, unhinged giggling that looks like a sudden regression to infancy, are not part of the victim-aggressor programming. To the point: when delta types do that childlike thing they do…well it is perceived as theatrics from the outside. I've witnessed it and I can tell you IEE does that very naturally and often and Weir is a very good example of the subtype I'm talking about down to the vibe and delta clothes, probably along with the other ladies I mentioned. Infantile is not Fe, please read what I wrote further up. An approximate male equivalent of Weir is Conan O'Brien and he has been discussed here and IEE/ILE were the main options for him, maybe that helps for comparison.
Infantile
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I disagree. Histrionic personality disorder and related tendencies have nothing to do with being infantile or an IEE.
IEEs are sort of like grownup teddy bears who want to play, plus they care about people and relationships. When you mix these two attributes together, you get a person who likes to have fun, constantly generate ideas and explore possibilities, while creating bonds with and getting the best out of other people.
And sure, IEEs can be theatrical, but that tends to manifest more as goofiness and playfulness rather than the type of histrionics you're describing.
A theatrical IEE (by vocation):
Last edited by Park; 07-25-2022 at 05:23 PM.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
tricky. infantile is not always behaving like a child. in delta, its more like needing, better yet, appreciating guidance on how to do things. not even guidance, but attempts at streamlining, improving, participating in making the environment "better".
here are the property brothers, SLIs-IEEs, to help make your living space more incredible.
Oh and look, one of them dated (edit: formerly married, man my Fi is bad), Zoe Deschanel, IEE extraordinaire.
basically, be "useless at something", but show a desire to be good at it, and then enjoy, or flirt, while being lightly patronized. this wins the heart of a SLI. The more they can help you, while patronizing you, the more they like you. Make sure you show your indignation at the treatment, while thinly covering your gratitude. This gets the SLI mend the "broken bird wing" complex, up and running. You are silly and they are wise and knowledgeable. The sooner you understand this, the sooner they will take you under their wing.
Sounds more ILI.
SLIs secretly want to do something silly
Just bark like a dog in public, the person that turns their head the fastest is an SLI.
True, I want someone to bark with in public.
You have to make sure you both are on the same vibe and that's completely outside the Socionics scope. As I've grown older, I've become much more mature than before, and I'm no longer that playful, scattered and optimistic as I once was. I'm still a good person at heart, but I'm more cynical now. I can X-ray people from a mile away and cringe at their lame attempts to manipulate me. People does so more often than most of us think.
People from my own quadra can be quite shitty. STs in particular. LSEs at least are openly jerks; it's the SLIs the ones who are dangerous. They can be total selfish pricks and still go around wearing an innocent mask. I know quite a few that lie, sabotage other people, cheat on their spouses, steal stuff, and more. They are truly cold minded, so beware.
Just because someone is your dual it doesn't mean you should give them a free pass. So my best advice is: keep your eyes wide open when meeting someone. Observe the small things. If you see a red flag, trust your gut. We often see people for what they are, but are in denial of the negative stuff. You'll pay for your tolerance later on.
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You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
I never really hid this, though I see how it might appear like that to outside observers.
When I was a kid I used to have an idea of remodeling a car to drive backwards...
I imagined something like this: https://live.staticflickr.com/4384/3...8e477bee_b.jpg
or this (upside down): https://www.tuningblog.eu/wp-content...5801386850.jpg
Faced with a lack of skill and resources to accomplish something like that, I instead persuaded an older friend of mine to drive us in his car in reverse throughout our neighborhood.
Last edited by Park; 01-15-2023 at 04:04 AM.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
I heard it explained that SLI can be like a ship adrift in the ocean. Their lives can grow monotonous, so they get stuck waiting for some opportunity to take advantage of and shake things up. Spike from Cowboy Bebop is a good example of the sort of inertial state SLIs can find themselves in. So the theory is, the IEE with their Ne is supposed to be the person to point out all of the potential and opportunity the SLI has around them. In reality, there is no cheat code to romance and these things are highly dependent on the people involved.
(My like button doesn't work so I have to do it this way.) *LIKE*
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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I feel like I'm getting stuck in such a rut at this very point in time.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
How so?I feel like I'm getting stuck in such a rut at this very point in time.
P. S. I'm glad to see you're still around.
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You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
Ask them to go to Trader Joe’s with you and get them something they like to eat eat it together and talk about sex the whole time without having sex
You’ll be having sex soon after that
I’m their activity relationship I know how to connect with them
Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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