Te type descriptions - resurrected
Most type descriptions have been written by INTJs and ENTPs. One result of this is the overwhelming majority of alphas on these sites. The type descriptions are in a form that does not attract Te thinkers. Also the level of understanding about types with poor relations with the INTJ is absurdly bad. So... There is a need for an opposing point of view, another kind of type description.
The current Ti - descriptions try to describe _what_ a person is like and give names to them and their abilities.
The Te type description would mostly describe how a person acts, what kind of trouble you are likely to end up with him and why and how you should treat him to gain a certain result.
Hell-raising-warning. This thread is likely to be a non-fi area. So be cool.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Good idea...
Another thing that would be great to do would be to construct the profiles in are more methodical way... Having a sample of, for example, a sufficiently large number of ENTj's and getting independant observers to rate their behavioral traits based on videos, etc. Or having people close to the ENTj describing him, how he acts, how he reacts...
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Great idea . . . except maybe it shouldn't be on the gamma thread.
Maybe the what's my type category.
Also SE what do you mean by "Also the level of understanding about types with poor relations with the INTJ is absurdly bad. " Do you mean the understanding of those types is poor, or the understanding of the relations with intj is poor?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Blaze wrote:
Great idea . . . except maybe it shouldn't be on the gamma thread.
Sure it should. We're looking for a Te-based type description, which will definitely get a rise out of non-gammas and writing it somewhere else will just result in more flaming. Besides, the gamma forum needs all the posts it can get Laughing
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Also SE what do you mean by "Also the level of understanding about types with poor relations with the INTJ is absurdly bad. " Do you mean the understanding of those types is poor, or the understanding of the relations with intj is poor?
Both. Neither. Don't take it too seriously. It's not a scientific argument. Just that if a person can not understand the people one can not get along with, one can't make a good type description out of them. Another reason why I expect this thread might get some alphas screaming blue murder Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:34 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Eidos. You had a nice post on the Fe thread about the ENTJ. It seemed like it would have gone here better. It had all the nice Te things: instructions on how to handle and corrections to common errors. Did you delete it or what happened to it? Would you like to repost it?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Smilingeyes wrote:
Eidos. You had a nice post on the Fe thread about the ENTJ. It seemed like it would have gone here better. It had all the nice Te things: instructions on how to handle and corrections to common errors. Did you delete it or what happened to it? Would you like to repost it?
Thanks man. I actually deleted it because I realized later as you say it didn't belong in the Fe thread... It just came out "Te" automatically... unfortunately I copied it, but forgot to paste it after Sad Maybe I can check with the admin...
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Blaze wrote:
Great idea . . . except maybe it shouldn't be on the gamma thread.
Sure it should. We're looking for a Te-based type description, which will definitely get a rise out of non-gammas and writing it somewhere else will just result in more flaming. Besides, the gamma forum needs all the posts it can get Laughing
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Also SE what do you mean by "Also the level of understanding about types with poor relations with the INTJ is absurdly bad. " Do you mean the understanding of those types is poor, or the understanding of the relations with intj is poor?
Both. Neither. Don't take it too seriously. It's not a scientific argument. Just that if a person can not understand the people one can not get along with, one can't make a good type description out of them. Another reason why I expect this thread might get some alphas screaming blue murder Wink
What will come is gamma related biases.
Although the compliment is really belonging to me for bringing up the topic in the first place . . . Razz
I don't think I was taking you too seriously just asking you explain what you said.[/b]
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I would like to write some new type descriptions since my 2nd function is Te, but my descriptions would be ultimately way more Ni than anything. So, if a Te-Ni type description is "how a person acts, what kind of trouble you are likely to end up with him and why and how you should treat him to gain a certain result," then an Ni-Te description would probably be:
How a person acts given a situation, insight into why a person acts that way, ultimately emphasizing the central motives lying behind every action, and a generally negative atmosphere (since negative behaviors offer more insight into the "depth" of a person than positive ones.)
It's about as impractical as you can get, but you must understand something before you can use it to its ultimate potential.
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When you meet her, she will be active. She will do something that seems senseless. She might invade your private space. She might come at you either with a funny story or a gush of feeling. She doesn't really care about you though she is trying to make herself happy by acting out. Somewhere deep inside of herself there lives a deep unhappiness and she is trying to get rid of it. Sometimes she succeeds, sometimes she looks at herself in the mirror and just lives with what she sees, but usually she's just trying to run.
She's your conflictor, the ISFp. Watch out for the emotional response you might have. It will get you down and you'll still be unable to help her in any way. Remember that the things she says aren't targeted at you, she just needs to say them. She will probably be quite consistent in her actions and aims, in this sense you can rely on her. Also, after the first few meetings she will herself try to avoid you recognising that you are unable to help her in her main purpose, feeling better. Unfortunately this will not stop her trying to make herself feer better on your expense. Whatever happened between you two she will likely tell to everyone she knows. She will either add her own embellishments or use the force of pure pathos to make people feer sorry for her and hate you.
She is not really looking for an advantage for herself by her actions, thus enlightened self-interest will not stop her from trying to hurt you. Neither can you bribe her or convince her to stop.
Your agenda: Get rid of her quickly as you can, she's your conflictor. No good will come of the meeting.
Tactical tips: She's looking for a happy encounter. Don't give her one. Don't be offensive because whatever you do will become known to everyone, just act very unhappy, be brief and get away from the situation. If you don't have a fallback position it's very easy to get rid of her by attacking her verbally. So if you really have to do it, you can be confident of the results.
Mental note: There will come a day when you remember her and really really feel bad about how you've acted towards her. A hope will rise in your heart that maybe you could help her after all. You'll want to do something nice to her. If you REALLY have to, do it anonymously. It's better that she thinks you're a miserable bastard.
Watch out: 1) For her posse. 2) Surprises during first contact. 3) You might be mistaken, she might really be an INFp.
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Smilingeyes wrote:
When you meet her, she will be active. She will do something that seems senseless. She might invade your private space. She might come at you either with a funny story or a gush of feeling. She doesn't really care about you though she is trying to make herself happy by acting out. Somewhere deep inside of herself there lives a deep unhappiness and she is trying to get rid of it. Sometimes she succeeds, sometimes she looks at herself in the mirror and just lives with what she sees, but usually she's just trying to run.
She's your conflictor, the ISFp. Watch out for the emotional response you might have. It will get you down and you'll still be unable to help her in any way. Remember that the things she says aren't targeted at you, she just needs to say them. She will probably be quite consistent in her actions and aims, in this sense you can rely on her. Also, after the first few meetings she will herself try to avoid you recognising that you are unable to help her in her main purpose, feeling better. Unfortunately this will not stop her trying to make herself feer better on your expense. Whatever happened between you two she will likely tell to everyone she knows. She will either add her own embellishments or use the force of pure pathos to make people feer sorry for her and hate you.
She is not really looking for an advantage for herself by her actions, thus enlightened self-interest will not stop her from trying to hurt you. Neither can you bribe her or convince her to stop.
Your agenda: Get rid of her quickly as you can, she's your conflictor. No good will come of the meeting.
Tactical tips: She's looking for a happy encounter. Don't give her one. Don't be offensive because whatever you do will become known to everyone, just act very unhappy, be brief and get away from the situation. If you don't have a fallback position it's very easy to get rid of her by attacking her verbally. So if you really have to do it, you can be confident of the results.
Mental note: There will come a day when you remember her and really really feel bad about how you've acted towards her. A hope will rise in your heart that maybe you could help her after all. You'll want to do something nice to her. If you REALLY have to, do it anonymously. It's better that she thinks you're a miserable bastard.
Watch out: 1) For her posse. 2) Surprises during first contact. 3) You might be mistaken, she might really be an INFp.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: Reply with quote
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This guy is laid back. He's self-satisfied and happy like he was on a morphine high. He controls his environment and if he wanted it any different, he'd change it. He might not look like much, but you need to remember that whenever he's around, your on his turf. He's you're supervisor, the ISTp.
He'll make you angry, one way or another. He'll good-heartedly question the reason for your efforts, he'll tell you to lighten up and take it easy. He'll tell you you're wasting your time. He might make claims of his capabilities that you find hard to believe. He'll act like you're a stuck-up snob and he's probably relatively correct.
You won't be in the same work environment as he is too often. If you are and he's your boss you can manage it, but you'll probably do better somewhere else, it's not that he's harmful to your work, quite the opposite. The problem is he's bad for your career.
In social life, it's easy to avoid him and best to do so.
Trouble arises when you need something from your supervisor. It's almost impossible for you to motivate him positively. He's as happy as a clam as things stand. A simple business transaction will often go awry as mere money won't usually be enough. Attempts to push him usually fall to deaf ears. ISTps don't like it when people think that they're good for nothing except plumbers. Thing is, that's the kind of situation you're most likely to be forced to deal with him. Your house is flooding and your plumber's busy with a bacon sandwich and a cigarette. You're f**ked.
The really good thing about your supervisor is that he will never push himself at you, he will never intrude. Just don't let his existence rule your thoughts.
Your agenda: Ignore and forget. This guy pwns you, and not in a good way.
Tactical tips: If you actually want to get fired up and pissed off, arguing with this guy can do the trick. Beware though, it can be addictive and will probably do you no good in the long run. Better stick with INTps. Also remember that while you'll get fired up, he'll just get bitter and retreat further inside of himself.
Mental note: If you really really desperately need his assistance, you might consider pleading pitifully. You'll hate doing it, but if you make him socially uncomfortable, he might feel obligated to actually do something. You need to make him confused and embarrassed to achieve this, you need to force him to prove himself that he's as good as he thinks he is.
Watch out: His happiness with himself might make you feel envious, want to try the life he's living. Don't! It's not for you. It'll just make you unhappy and cost you in the long run.
Don't make him too angry. 9 times out of 10 he not just pwns your psyche but can kick your ass if he feels so inclined.
Even when his work results seem satisfactory, watch out. He will have used short-cuts and quick fixes to problems. The results will eventually show up.
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If I had any doubts that the quality manager in this company is an ISTp, not anymore after reading this description.
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