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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    Lol... Not all gamma sfs are insecure with an anxious attachment style. I'm v entertained by this synopsis though.
    Well, at least from what I understand of the romance styles, an Aggressor with an avoidant attachment style would be a contradiction in terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    Gamma duality

    The guy in that photo is not Gamma, he's Alpha. The woman is Beta, probably.

    Here is Gamma Duality. Fire and ice basically.

    https://imgur.com/a/pUfm9




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    lets stay on topic

    writes a bunch of lizard porn

    well, whatever, I don't care about staying on topic anyway
    mmm i like it when you talk like that tho


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuivienen View Post
    Well, at least from what I understand of the romance styles, an Aggressor with an avoidant attachment style would be close to a contradiction in terms.
    I've seen it. People are complicated. I'm not the person to ask exactly how that plays out but I think aggression just plays out as physical confidence and a sense of immediacy which doesn't really preclude having commitment issues or something.

    When I was 5-10 yrs younger & in a poorer state of health we would have really hit it off, that's part of why I am so amused...being clingy and insecure doesn't usually have so much appeal to anyone. You'd hate it over time, I guarantee you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    I've seen it. People are complicated. I'm not the person to ask exactly how that plays out but I think aggression just plays out as physical confidence and a sense of immediacy which doesn't really preclude having commitment issues or something.

    When I was 5-10 yrs younger & in a poorer state of health we would have really hit it off, that's part of why I am so amused...being clingy and insecure doesn't usually have so much appeal to anyone. You'd hate it over time, I guarantee you.
    I see avoidance as a worse problem, because it is a sign that you don't trust other people in general.

    Here is the reality: if you assume that men will mistreat you, unconsciously you tend to act in a way that will encourage them to do so. For example, I hate passive-aggressive, vacillating bullshit. A woman who toys with me, who tells me she loves me only to push me away, shun me and withhold physical affection is possibly my worst nightmare. Can you imagine the emotional manipulation? Unfortunately my ex-girlfriend made that horror real for me.

    One day I just lost my patience and exploded at her, tore into her. She burst into tears and had a panic attack, lolol, but not once did she or has she ever since considered the emotional abuse I'd had to put up with, for month after month! Oh no, everything is my fault. I guess I only confirmed her pathetic delusions that all men are cruel and can't be trusted.

    So yes, I'd prefer someone who actually loved me and was eager to be close to me, to ^ this. Even if they are quite possessive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuivienen View Post
    Well, at least from what I understand of the romance styles, an Aggressor with an avoidant attachment style would be a contradiction in terms.
    That's why we have feelings which switch our brain off and we suprise ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuivienen View Post
    The guy in that photo is not Gamma, he's Alpha. The woman is Beta, probably.

    Here is Gamma Duality. Fire and ice basically.

    https://imgur.com/a/pUfm9



    These just look like a couple of high maintenance people, upper middle class, and self loving.

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    I thought a gamma aggressor was more about making it clear you like someone. You'll make the first move to show intetest, but if its not reciprocated after a short time, you move on. Introverts are likely more reserved and discreet than extroverts though.

    It isn't filled with stupid dominance/submissive games, unless one is naturally one or the other. You don't play roles, you are who you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptitron View Post
    I thought a gamma aggressor was more about making it clear you like someone.
    They show the sympathy by ways which leave not doubts they like you.

    > You'll make the first move to show intetest, but if its not reciprocated after a short time, you move on.

    JS types may to be stubborn to follow you until they keep the feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptitron View Post
    I thought a gamma aggressor was more about making it clear you like someone. You'll make the first move to show intetest, but if its not reciprocated after a short time, you move on. Introverts are likely more reserved and discreet than extroverts though.

    It isn't filled with stupid dominance/submissive games, unless one is naturally one or the other. You don't play roles, you are who you are.
    it covers a little more than initiation, this is how gulenko described it, but i think its kind of an exaggerated caricature: http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?t...psychoanalysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    it covers a little more than initiation, this is how gulenko described it, but i think its kind of an exaggerated caricature: http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?t...psychoanalysis.
    Thanks. They all look like exaggerated or extreme styles, hence unhealthy, to me. Idk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptitron View Post
    Thanks. They all look like exaggerated or extreme styles, hence unhealthy, to me. Idk
    yeah, i think if any of them are taken at very literal face value they'd be a serious sign of neurosis lol. following how the perception fx might logically play out in relationships they make a kind of sense, using very broad strokes (have we had this convo? I'm having deja vu.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    yeah, i think if any of them are taken at very literal face value they'd be a serious sign of neurosis lol. following how the perception fx might logically play out in relationships they make a kind of sense, using very broad strokes (have we had this convo? I'm having deja vu.)
    I don't know....probably, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    yeah, i think if any of them are taken at very literal face value they'd be a serious sign of neurosis lol
    every Gulenko article is like this though.

    edit: and I dont have big opinion on type, other than ethical/extrovert some kind, based on first video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    yeah, i think if any of them are taken at very literal face value they'd be a serious sign of neurosis lol. following how the perception fx might logically play out in relationships they make a kind of sense, using very broad strokes (have we had this convo? I'm having deja vu.)
    fabienne-verdier-artist.jpg

    Yeah, pretty much.

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    @Katalina, I'd say Ti or Ni, LSI or ILI. I lean towards LSI. Not likely IEI imo. You don't VI extrovert or Fe like for being EIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuivienen View Post
    Adam can speak for himself. Let's stay on topic.



    Sexually, Gamma duality has a very strong predator-prey type dynamic, on both sides. The Pseudo-Aggressor manipulates the Aggressor psychologically, whereas the Aggressor possesses the Pseudo-Aggressor physically. Unlike Betas, Gammas aren't very playful. We are intense, rough and primal but not kinky, as we generally have a distaste for whips, chains, cosplay and humiliation. These things seem dumb, degenerate and silly to us (Serious vs Merry).

    The Aggressor is a passionate, assertive woman who will have initiated the courtship. While she is probably a lot more sexually experienced than her Psuedo-Aggressor mate, she is not the dominant partner in this relationship. All relationships obey the law of least effort; and as she is constantly working to maintain his affection, while he usually is not, the power clearly resides with him. This is implicitly understood by both and she finds the chase and challenge to please him sexually arousing.

    The Aggressor sees the Pseudo-Aggressor as a worthy mate for her, but because she's attracted to him, she wants to ensure that he has no way of "escaping her". Sex, she feels, is a reliable way to secure a man's affection. The Pseudo-Aggressor will enjoy her initiative, and hopes to make her totally sex crazed and ravenous. He will create trials and challenges to see if she'll push through and fight back, pin him down, insist that he belongs to her. The Aggressor loves doing this, of course, so will quickly become quite addicted to her mate. She will smother him with affection and become very possessive. If this happens, the Pseudo-Aggressor may even develop feelings for the Aggressor and consider a long-term relationship with her.

    I could also put it this way: if a Gamma NT male and a Gamma SF female were to star in a romantic comedy, I'd make the male a businessman, and the female a succubus.

    I personally do not relate to any of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    I personally do not relate to any of this.
    True, that description sounds like EIE-LSI af imo.
    Gammas are simply not so passionate and I indeed know kinky gammas (SEEs and LIEs, basically).

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