Gulenko's typings of forum members AKA Big G SquaD

[Tallmo]

I'm sure there are websites where you could share her pictures more efficiently and with a wider group, if that's your kinda thing.

But seriously, I am not going to be convinced unless 1) we agree on the person's base typing (pictures are obviously useless for that, and random videos probably not much better) and 2) you can sufficiently explain why the person fits the subtype in addition to that. Step 1 will probably fail in most cases, because DCNH types are not independent of sociotype.

No, not for a wider group. I couldn't resist your challenge, when you said that D-EII is "absurd", because no type-subtype combination is absurd, they all exist and are different manifestations of the type. That's why I thought that maybe you don't really know what DCNH is.

Learning DCNH is a lot about collecting many examples of people of the same type and contrast the differences, so it is always good to get exposed to more people, videos etc. But let's forget it.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

I love Vera Borisova's comment about a dominant EII, because it describes my friend very well.

"a dominant EII is a kind of "an iron fist in a velvet glove": after a demonstration of softness and ethics from this person emerges an equally demonstrative condemnation and desire to "educate"."

[Exodus]

Hotel, it is described as 'higher energy' /only in comparison to/ brake (PoLR) and control (ignoring). In what you posted.

I would not say it has higher energy than those functions. It would be very close to the same.

And Model G would also imply that it has higher energy than the mobilizing/launcher and role functions (pessimum and minimum respectively), which is absolutely wrong.

[The Reality Denialist]

I don't think model G never says about actualization of the energy reserve hence you may consume it without great benefits.


The greatest actualization is apparently left to externalizes aka introverted functions to introverts and extroverted functions to extroverts.
As Gulenko points out it is not generally healthy for extroverts to use introverted functions and vice versa for introverts if they aim for social competence.

[justalitnerdxx]

yes, very understandable. It doesn’t seem too bad around here lately, I don’t think (what with drama). Well I would hope no one would start anything with you, you seem very nice.

I can relate to this a bit myself. Think I may have been thinking about the quadras wrong, though. I’m trying to look at it in a different light.

Ive personally always been attracted to confident and blunt people who will say things that one else will, but that’s just me. it’s one reason why I’ve wondered if maybe I don’t value Se after all. Also my taste in art and subjects I’ve been drawn to seem more like Ni/Se. it’s why I considered ESI for myself, even if it kind of seemed weird to me to be Se creative. I even asked my family and friends and they basically laughed at me.


yes, very awkward. lol. Actually the first two weren’t bad, they seemed to get progressively worse.. The reaction video was cringe in my opinion and I was super nervous, I think because I was talking about typology in front of gulenko and I didn’t want to sound like a dummy. But i just turned out to look like a psycho, really lol, I just really don’t even want to think about it now haha

I’m the same, trying to look back through everything from the ground up. I think I’ve also misunderstood what Ni and Ne is. I’m still unsure of Beta and actually if anything I was thought as being an Alpha SEI or Delta EII. People generally were amused in circles when I first considered IEI as a typing like “nah you don’t value Se”. Though I’m not quite sure what Se actually is, or at least I’m aware my understanding is probably bollocks. So yeah, trying to learn and not take the theory or myself too seriously now

[justalitnerdxx]

Kristen seems IEI to me potentially and yes despite the harmonizing, but the other typings seem ok (to me).
edit actually the girl at the end, she has said she can see EII for herself and based on the video I do wonder about IEE or EII-Ne. Not saying IEI is definitely wrong though.

*cringe* that last one is me (IEI-H). I’m so embarrassed but I didn’t say no to SHS using my video.

Yeah. I’m type unsure. I have thought myself as EII and have been typed by a few other Socionicists as EII. But I’m open to the prospect that I could be something else (like IEI or SEI). I’ll be candid and admit I have had an anxiety disorder and some past negative experiences that has impacted my sense of confidence and desire to socialise. So I guess that’s why I can seem all over the place.

From what I understand, Model G is different to Model A and could explain why I’d best fit IEI in Model G though EII in Model A

[justalitnerdxx]

@Duschia I definitely have some more soul searching to do and understanding of how the IMEs and different aspects work so I can understand better which type would fit me best. I don’t really enjoy having different typings, I’d rather have consensus ��

[justalitnerdxx]

im personally not a fan of being different types on different models... the IEs for example, I don’t think they change.

but anyways...your type is upto you ultimately And I am...somewhat beginning to understand better how some may be ambivalent towards their potential socionics type and unsure.

as for being confused about IEs...I would try to get experience with people who value those IEs, like Ni ego vs Ne ego, which is something you are looking at. My father is ILI and my brother LIE so I have 25 and 18 years of knowing both of them respectively. Initially, I had a friend who was INFP who began to wonder if she was IEI, and so I also, before I really understood socionics, consider IEI for the briefest moment. The description of IEI didn’t make it seem entirely implausible. But the IEs just didn’t fit. I saw how Ni leads really were, and they were clearly different from me. Our cognitions wouldn’t exactly sync it’s like we had different priorities. Anyways, I saw how they were and I knew I wasn’t that type. Plus the Gamma in the family helped me understand what Te valued behavior might look like.

i don’t see anything wrong with your video and you didn’t come across as nervous to me, btw

@asd Im a bit uneasy with having different types - I rather consistency. I think my problem is I am always open minded to having my insights being wrong and take onboard other people’s feedback in regards to theories how to do things. Function wise and Quadra wise, from my understanding and self observations, I see more of a case for EII (Fi-Ne ego) for myself though can relate loosely to IEI profiles. However when I speak to some typed IEIs online I just think there’s a different vibe between us. I can’t explain it really well. I still have a lot to learn anyways and I think interacting more with people will help me see how the theory works in reality thanks for your input

[Tzuyu]

i think one should try to understand perspectives in this debate

this might be an obvious observation but i notice it is people with weak Ti (not necessarily valued) who are more in need of clarification and an “objective” party to evaluate them.

whereas there are still Thinkers who use the service but it is more out of sense of curiosity... or to add as another lens into their repertoire? of their sense of self if that makes sense

perhaps it’s harder for feelers and especially Fe people to type themselves if that’s the case, and forum discussion where there are inevitably multiple conflicting viewpoints is harder for them to tune out... so an expert Socionist might be especially appealing to them in that sense. they aren’t stupid or lack independent thinking skills. a patient, reasonable, calm, and rational person with tact. something this forum is sorely missing.

almost definitely a Beta bias though. even monkeys fall from trees. not judging what ppl spend their money on, but it’s not unreasonable to doubt or point out systematic pitfalls.

[Aster]

can relate loosely to IEI profiles. However when I speak to some typed IEIs online I just think there’s a different vibe between us. I can’t explain it really well.

This, too, is my biggest hang-up for my IEI diagnostic tbh.

 

One of my best friends in HS and I were pretty similar in hobbies and interests. Whenever people say, my friend is X type, I’m pretty hesitant to believe them, but out of all the people I know, I’m most certain she was a Beta NF. of course no one has to believe me, but anyway. She and I were kind of different and I can’t exactly explain it-she seemed more objective in a way. Well- here is one instance- I was talking to someone who was out of our social group and she gave me him this look, and I could tell what she was thinking- that she didn’t have anything personal against this guy, but she didn’t want to socialize with him because well it’s complicated, but I felt I knew why. Stuff like that.,And well I didn’t care, I’ll talk to anyone. We were talking about a video game (legend of dragoon I think it was), a shared interest, and it was nice to talk to someone who was into the same dorky shit I was into for once. Anyway she was more choosy about her friends (it seems to me like strategy) and I’d make friends with everyone or anyone if we had a connection.

but thinking back at instances like this makes me think that either there are a few different ways of looking at this, or maybe I’m looking at this wrong, and this is not due to cognition, but rather something like our upbringing. I’m willing to consider either.

what I think is pretty funny is that my ESI typing actually seemed to come about from two certain forum members in 2018, if my memory serves me correctly. It all started with two people who thought I was ESI and other people started running with it. I never even considered it myself before, I don’t think. Well I started considering it because I thought it other people saw ESI, there must be something to it. maybe I’m understanding something wrong. Maybe I’m understanding myself wrong. it didn’t help that around this time I was dealing with the worst depression and anxiety I’ve had in my life. I felt pretty gas lighted tbh. And it’s made me pretty resentful of the whole typing processes that goes on on this forum.

when I was a child I was pretty quiet, kept to myself, was dreamy, and had a big imagination. I was terribly shy and had a hard time making friends. I was interested the esoteric, the occult...horror movies, from an early age, seemed to have some unconventional hobbies, and didn’t feel like I fit in which made me feel like a bit of a freak. In HS I came out of my shell a bit when I got on the cheerleading squad and made a group of friends there. I was still a weirdo who convinced my friends to have seances and would interpret dreams at lunch. I was also a bit of a clown and would do weird shit to get people to laugh. I was in drama and would do valley girl accents and talk in different accents while I read the newspaper out loud, to everyone lol. I met my husband when I was 16. I liked him because he had the balls to chase after me and ask me out to my face and not someone else to go through. He was also a bit of a rebel and our principle hated him. We would skip school, drive a few hours away, and go shopping at fancy malls. Most people were scared of him. So of course being the weirdo I am, I was attracted to it. Well I got into drugs in HS. Lots of people seem to get the impression of me as a goody two shoes, but I was popping pills, smoking marijuana like a chimney, and drinking on school nights. I’d come to school with serious hang overs. I was able to hide it all. People thought it was my boyfriend, but I’d been like this all along. But he has connections to other people who were into all that while my friends were the valedictorians goody goody (I was sort of a black sheep among the). but even he said people would blame him for my behavior, but I was the instigator. I was into experimentation, and he was like my babysitter and kept telling me I had a problem...all of this was long ago, and I’m almost 34 and hide in my house, read books, and try to survive my kids. I haven’t touched drugs in probably a decade, and I’ve drank once in the last two years.

anyway, this is partly the explanation I promised. It doesn’t explain my cognition exactly, but I don’t think a lot of people know what I’m actually like.

[Sol]

what I think is pretty funny is that my ESI typing actually seemed to come about from two certain forum members in 2018

I typed you as ESI. Typings of other forum member which are mostly noobs are just "funny", indeed.
You was inclined to think your type as EII, mainly. I doubted between EII and ESI, was assured in Fi. Your attraction to art of decay was against Si value and among examples against EII. Several forum members supported your profile type as EII. Later you've removed the type from the profile (after I've pointed on the influence of bad IR with your husband on your emotional state) and I do not know what then was with your and others' opinions.

"TIM IEI-N"

Welcome to mistyped "squad". This changes nothing significant until noobs do not use the typology on practice, what is rarely. Noobs understand this and so play in typings, types cosplaying and forums flooding for a fun. And until other noobs do not take profile types seriously to think as examples of types behavior. To perceive what happens on forums as "pretty funny": the efforts people do for you, an objectivity for a truth - is the main in all that, funny emotions from a flooding.

Among ways to understand the mistake is to compare yourself and to talk with IEIs as @ooo, @Aylen, @Fay and with other Fe-s as Maritsa. Also wish you to communicate closely IRL with SLEs which should be your subrevisies, to find gammas for a comparision and to understand the correct types of those people.

[Aster]

I typed you as ESI. Typings of other forum member which are mostly noobs are just "funny", indeed.
You was inclined to think your type as EII, mainly. I doubted between EII and ESI, was assured in Fi. Your attraction to art of decay was against Si value and among examples against EII. Several forum members supported your profile type as EII. Later you've removed the type from the profile (after I've pointed on the influence of bad IR with your husband on your emotional state) and I do not know what then was with your and others' opinions.

"TIM IEI-N"

Welcome to mistyped "squad". This changes nothing significant until noobs do not use the typology on practice, what is rarely. Noobs understand this and so play in typings, types cosplaying and forums flooding for a fun. And until other noobs do not take profile types seriously to think as examples of types behavior. To perceive what happens on forums as "pretty funny": the efforts people do for you, an objectivity for a truth - is the main in all that, funny emotions from a flooding.

Among ways to understand the mistake is to compare yourself and to talk with IEIs as @ooo, @Aylen, @Fay and with other Fe-s as Maritsa. Also wish you to communicate closely IRL with SLEs which should be your subrevisies, to find gammas for a comparision and to understand the correct types of those people.

I hope you understand that in English-well where I am from, funny is not always meant as humorous, but sometimes it can be used as odd, which is how I was using it.

if you think I’m ESI, ok.

[Lolita]

I was typed SLE by Jack WSS on Jan 2 this year. After I saw how Consilence and SlytherinPower conned their typing from Jack recently, it made me really fucking livid. There’s no way those two could value Se. So I got typed by Gulenko and just got the results in about 1 hour ago- I’m SEE-N. I’ve actually secretly suspected that I’m SEE for awhile. Yayyyy I’m a “Politician.” I’m pretty excited to learn more about Socionics closer to Augusta and get far away from MBTI-like treatment of Socionics (poor stereotypes). And I want to reiterate, it’s not easy to be Se lead which is why I dislike and disapprove of anyone who shows they’re making fun of Se, degrading it, or avoiding it but then they’re delusional enough to believe they’re Se lead or value Se

So now I know that I’m most definitely an Se lead and I accept Gulenko’s typing as the true one.

[Northstar]

I was typed SLE by Jack WSS on Jan 2 this year. After I saw how Consilence and SlytherinPower conned their typing from Jack recently, it made me really fucking livid. There’s no way those two could value Se. So I got typed by Gulenko and just got the results in about 1 hour ago- I’m SEE-N. I’ve actually secretly suspected that I’m SEE for awhile. Yayyyy I’m a “Politician.” I’m pretty excited to learn more about Socionics closer to Augusta and get far away from MBTI-like treatment of Socionics (poor stereotypes). And I want to reiterate, it’s not easy to be Se lead which is why I dislike and disapprove of anyone who shows they’re making fun of Se, degrading it, or avoiding it but then they’re delusional enough to believe they’re Se lead or value Se

So now I know that I’m most definitely an Se lead and I accept Gulenko’s typing as the true one.

Congrats, this is actually a good Gulenko typing. The way you couldn't punch your way out of a paper bag theorywise, resorting to purely ethical arguments, misrepresenting Ti and finally looking up to authorities in logical matters was already convincing proof of Ti polr.

[Aster]

I really hate to say this, and nothing against Jack because he seems really knowledgeable, but I suspected that if I got typed that my own opinion on my type might have more weight with him, which is why I chose to get typed by gulenko instead. Well, one reason. That and he’s Gulenko.

[Northstar]

Pretty funny coming from a dude who doesn't understand theory at all and compared the idea of theory itself to something irrelevant, such as building bridges.

Unfortunately Gulenko happened to get your temperament backwards, you share 1D Ti with your friend Kiana so I understand why you would have trouble properly understanding comparisons.

[Sol]

@aster

When you make decisions about logical stuff as types with emotions - you'll be doing mistakes as in this case. When you make choices related to important for emotions following to logical reasoning - you do mistakes too, more that for F types. Then mistakes lead you and the ones near to more problems and to worse emotions than could.
The general mistake is the choice of inappropriate approaches. It's not funny in results.

[BrainlessSquid]

I was typed SLE by Jack WSS on Jan 2 this year. After I saw how Consilence and SlytherinPower conned their typing from Jack recently, it made me really fucking livid. There’s no way those two could value Se. So I got typed by Gulenko and just got the results in about 1 hour ago- I’m SEE-N. I’ve actually secretly suspected that I’m SEE for awhile. Yayyyy I’m a “Politician.” I’m pretty excited to learn more about Socionics closer to Augusta and get far away from MBTI-like treatment of Socionics (poor stereotypes). And I want to reiterate, it’s not easy to be Se lead which is why I dislike and disapprove of anyone who shows they’re making fun of Se, degrading it, or avoiding it but then they’re delusional enough to believe they’re Se lead or value Se

So now I know that I’m most definitely an Se lead and I accept Gulenko’s typing as the true one.

I thought you were SEE indeed. Was about to tell you my opinion in the future

[justalitnerdxx]

This, too, is my biggest hang-up for my IEI diagnostic tbh.

 

One of my best friends in HS and I were pretty similar in hobbies and interests. Whenever people say, my friend is X type, I’m pretty hesitant to believe them, but out of all the people I know, I’m most certain she was a Beta NF. of course no one has to believe me, but anyway. She and I were kind of different and I can’t exactly explain it-she seemed more objective in a way. Well- here is one instance- I was talking to someone who was out of our social group and she gave me him this look, and I could tell what she was thinking- that she didn’t have anything personal against this guy, but she didn’t want to socialize with him because well it’s complicated, but I felt I knew why. Stuff like that.,And well I didn’t care, I’ll talk to anyone. We were talking about a video game (legend of dragoon I think it was), a shared interest, and it was nice to talk to someone who was into the same dorky shit I was into for once. Anyway she was more choosy about her friends (it seems to me like strategy) and I’d make friends with everyone or anyone if we had a connection.

but thinking back at instances like this makes me think that either there are a few different ways of looking at this, or maybe I’m looking at this wrong, and this is not due to cognition, but rather something like our upbringing. I’m willing to consider either.

what I think is pretty funny is that my ESI typing actually seemed to come about from two certain forum members in 2018, if my memory serves me correctly. It all started with two people who thought I was ESI and other people started running with it. I never even considered it myself before, I don’t think. Well I started considering it because I thought it other people saw ESI, there must be something to it. maybe I’m understanding something wrong. Maybe I’m understanding myself wrong. it didn’t help that around this time I was dealing with the worst depression and anxiety I’ve had in my life. I felt pretty gas lighted tbh. And it’s made me pretty resentful of the whole typing processes that goes on on this forum.

when I was a child I was pretty quiet, kept to myself, was dreamy, and had a big imagination. I was terribly shy and had a hard time making friends. I was interested the esoteric, the occult...horror movies, from an early age, seemed to have some unconventional hobbies, and didn’t feel like I fit in which made me feel like a bit of a freak. In HS I came out of my shell a bit when I got on the cheerleading squad and made a group of friends there. I was still a weirdo who convinced my friends to have seances and would interpret dreams at lunch. I was also a bit of a clown and would do weird shit to get people to laugh. I was in drama and would do valley girl accents and talk in different accents while I read the newspaper out loud, to everyone lol. I met my husband when I was 16. I liked him because he had the balls to chase after me and ask me out to my face and not someone else to go through. He was also a bit of a rebel and our principle hated him. We would skip school, drive a few hours away, and go shopping at fancy malls. Most people were scared of him. So of course being the weirdo I am, I was attracted to it. Well I got into drugs in HS. Lots of people seem to get the impression of me as a goody two shoes, but I was popping pills, smoking marijuana like a chimney, and drinking on school nights. I’d come to school with serious hang overs. I was able to hide it all. People thought it was my boyfriend, but I’d been like this all along. But he has connections to other people who were into all that while my friends were the valedictorians goody goody (I was sort of a black sheep among the). but even he said people would blame him for my behavior, but I was the instigator. I was into experimentation, and he was like my babysitter and kept telling me I had a problem...all of this was long ago, and I’m almost 34 and hide in my house, read books, and try to survive my kids. I haven’t touched drugs in probably a decade, and I’ve drank once in the last two years.

anyway, this is partly the explanation I promised. It doesn’t explain my cognition exactly, but I don’t think a lot of people know what I’m actually like.

Firstly, thank you for taking the time to write out your experience and share it! From what I recall about myself at school, I didn’t really speak to a lot of people but would open up and chatter away if we had a shared interest - a bit like what you described with that lad. For me, it was books, and yeah embarrassingly The Twilight Saga �� I wouldn’t say I speak to people only if there’s an agenda for me or if it’s “cool” for me to talk to the person. I’ll always be polite and civil to people but the ones I connect with most there’s a common subject we’re talking about.

I relate to being a quiet dreamy child too. I am interested in mythology and supernatural fantasy too but to me the occult ghosts and stuff is really scary! I like the idea of magic existing in the world and do love vampire novels, ghost stories (I would have loved to be your friend and go along to seance and tea readings! I’m sure you were very sweet and cool) but I’d be scared shitless if a vampire knocked on my door to seduce me! I’m a wimp/ and that’s why I was unsure about being Beta cause I find gory creepy stuff well...creepy! Whereas other Beta NFs I’ve spoken to online are a bit more gritty and tough.

that said, at school I told my friends that I had no boyfriend because Satan had kept my virginity in a jar and wouldn’t allow anyone else near me. It was a joke, I guess cause I was teased for being frigid and shy and boyfriendless so I went with it like “erm yeah...well the Devil is my bae so who’s the real winner?”

I haven’t really mixed much with SLE LSI or LSE types in real life so I can’t really comment on intertype relationships, as to who Id get on best with. I do admire SLEs and find their frankness at times quite inspiring. Though I’m so boring and solitary compared to them; would rather sit indoors reading or writing than being out on the go. I think I’d bore them and other Betas actually ��

[Lolita]

Congrats, this is actually a good Gulenko typing. The way you couldn't punch your way out of a paper bag theorywise, resorting to purely ethical arguments, misrepresenting Ti and finally looking up to authorities in logical matters was already convincing proof of Ti polr.

Nice try Delta. You constantly reframe everything to suit your image and when people call your ass out on your nonsense like Sb, you freak out like the coward you are. You of all people refuse to subject yourself to honesty and be typed and cling onto your delusional glorifying self-typing but are quick to doubt anyone go through what you’re too chicken shit to confront. I may make really bold assessments but I’m grounded in reality and accept that I don’t know everything, I may never know everything, but I’ll dive right in and I’m not afraid to be wrong and learn from that.

You’re just jealous cuz you know you can’t fake Se. You and derpy Adam make a really fine pair.

[Lolita]

Several other people did as well. I know of at least 4 people. Hahahaha this is amazing shit...

Yeah but you’re still EiI and freak out from Se when it comes at you. You can keep being delusional with conning others for a type you want but you still don’t have Fe and your usage of Fi is cringe and idiotic.

[Lolita]

I really hate to say this, and nothing against Jack because he seems really knowledgeable, but I suspected that if I got typed that my own opinion on my type might have more weight with him, which is why I chose to get typed by gulenko instead. Well, one reason. That and he’s Gulenko.

I’ve defended Jack because I think his typings are actually pretty spot on, but only when the person being typed is HONEST and not fishing for a type and when he’s NOT typing his friends because he wants to please them so he gives them the type they want. I wasn’t ever fishing for a type, so my interview with Jack (from his old method) is truly me. But because I’ve had doubts seeing how Jack folded to delusional people just to avoid conflict, it made me want to know what my true type is, and I do believe in objective reality.

A lot of this has to do with understanding the functions and Model structure as Socionics from as close to Augusta’s formulations and not the Westernized MBTI version of Socionics which has greatly distorted understanding how to recognize the functions by pushing simplistic associations as Fi PoLR = emotional retard, or Ti lead= genius, etc. In order to do that, have to undo MBTI and it requires other people to also undo MBTI, too.

[Northstar]

Nice try Delta. You constantly reframe everything to suit your image and when people call your ass out on your nonsense like Sb, you freak out like the coward you are. You of all people refuse to subject yourself to honesty and be typed and cling onto your delusional glorifying self-typing but are quick to doubt anyone go through what you’re too chicken shit to confront. I may make really bold assessments but I’m grounded in reality and accept that I don’t know everything, I may never know everything, but I’ll dive right in and I’m not afraid to be wrong and learn from that.

You’re just jealous cuz you know you can’t fake Se. You and derpy Adam make a really fine pair.

Yes, keep the ethical arguments coming. Of course Ti hurts you and that's what you keep calling "Reframing". I didn't see any comments from you for days after I finally gave honest explanations of how I arrived at my self-typing as a response to you. That's before Vex now decided to kick me from the discord server, lol. You also had to block someone else who was giving you hard time about your lack of logic. That's definitely subjecting oneself to honesty, right?

I find it hilarious how you call Se leading as something glorious to be worn as a badge. Too bad you had to hand in the Beta badge, though. Btw, I would be fine with being some other type if that happened to fit better. But it is what it is.

You make really bold assessments which often turn out to be false, such as your typings including your self-typing. I admit I make bold assessments as well, the difference is that I can actually back them with logic instead of feeling though. You're the one who immediately retreats and shuts up when the debate becomes theory-heavy and you can't just turn it into a shouting match.

Let me get this right, you are typing me as Adam's identical or dual? And what are you typing him as? I really don't have anything against him (like you and Vex seem to have), but I don't think we are identicals or duals.

[Lolita]

I thought Kiana SLE typing is okay and sits but SEE... Idk. Se-base seems right. And Vex is surely some Ni. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe do a group typing with Gulenko, him seeing all the way you interact and argue, lol.

Thanks! I think SLE is actually a good fit because it’s still Se base. I’ve read of people often self-typing themselves as their mirror but my case with Jack’s typing, it’s kindred. I didn’t realize that because I hate other people’s Fi, that I’m protecting my Fi. So a lot of this has to be misunderstanding the functions and how it manifests and applies.

Gulenko remarked from my videos that I’m energetic and excitable and noted my usage of ethics to get what I want, to which I accept. I always believed that people cannot accurately self-type, which is why I chose to get typed first by Jack and then Gulenko because it’s my belief that people are still blind to themselves. I wanted an objective and trained person to analyze me and tell me what I can’t and don’t see in myself. I’m really glad I did it and all the more grateful that gained insight into myself. That’s the point of typology and I believe I’m doing it correctly.

[Northstar]

I’ve defended Jack because I think his typings are actually pretty spot on, but only when the person being typed is HONEST and not fishing for a type and when he’s NOT typing his friends because he wants to please them so he gives them the type they want. I wasn’t ever fishing for a type, so my interview with Jack (from his old method) is truly me. But because I’ve had doubts seeing how Jack folded to delusional people just to avoid conflict, it made me want to know what my true type is, and I do believe in objective reality.

So Jack's typings are pretty spot on when the person being typed is honest and not fishing for a type and you were typed by his good old method. Then you say you started to doubt him and needed to get your True Type (tm) from Gulenko. So which is it? Jack's typings aren't really spot on or you lied to him to get a specific type? You've still got a lot to learn if you think objective reality can be handed down to you by a guy in Ukraine.

A lot of this has to do with understanding the functions and Model structure as Socionics from as close to Augusta’s formulations and not the Westernized MBTI version of Socionics which has greatly distorted understanding how to recognize the functions by pushing simplistic associations as Fi PoLR = emotional retard, or Ti lead= genius, etc. In order to do that, have to undo MBTI and it requires other people to also undo MBTI, too.

Yes, start bashing MBTI to redirect the attention, it is of course the culprit for your incorrect self-typing. When you were still supposedly a Ti ego then you were singing the praises of Ti and calling Fi egos retards, shitting on Te. Yes, you're truly the Politician, you don't even need to change hats in order to change your opinion inside out, as long as it drives your agenda.

[thegreenfaerie]

Congrats @Kiana on SEE and finding a fit. You’re very vibrant in a way I often observe from SEE

[Lolita]

Everyone who has spoken to me at length clearly sees beta NF. I just can't comprehend your brand of Se. Beta STs make more sense.... Logically based Se.

Ah, so you’ve got an echo chamber that gives you confirmation bias which is why you fought Jack pushing EII. That’s great but you still can’t comprehend Se at all. Any Se valuer would be able to understand Beta or Gamma Se. You don’t get to pick and choose, Se is Se. You're not Beta just because you defend your friends and overlook their nonsense. Vex has 1D valued Se and she understands me just fine. Dusch is 1D valued Se and he understands me (doesn’t mean he has to agree with me). You claim to have 2D valued mob Se, but “don’t understand” me. You’re chickenshit. Anytime someone contradicts what you say or even tries to get you to be clear, you freak out and change to the topic by spouting nonsense. This makes perfect sense actually, as I’m your supervisor and I hate how delusional you are. I don’t hate you, I just find you to be utterly and completely pointless.

[Lolita]

Congrats @Kiana on SEE and finding a fit. You’re very vibrant in a way I often observe from SEE

Thanks!! I’ve always thought Beta values don’t fit me, and that Gamma fits better. But I acquiesce to people who are more knowledgeable in the field than I am. I’m glad I got typed by G. This gives me a lot of information and I’m pretty excited to learn my cognitive process with eyes wide open!

[Lolita]

You were the one praising the expertise of Jack and his SLE typing. And trying to kick everyone out of the beta club who YOU didn't see fit. Now because you got typed by Gulenko, you're automatically SEE and Gamma. If you can't accept Jack's typing of yourself, how can so readily accept his typing of some stranger? I like your cherry-picked logic there. Welcome to the 1D Ti club, girl!

I didn’t praise Jack, I defended him. Like I’ve said before, he’s actually very good with accurately typing people if they’re not fishing for a type, UNLIKE you wanting to get bias confirmation from him. You’re really an idiot. I do accept Jack’s typing of me as SLE, but acceptance doesn’t mean agreement. You had to fight Jack to con your typing from him. I listened to Jack and accepted his assessment that I’m SLE. It’s because you and Kelly conned your results from Jack, that shows how his method is easily manipulated and that made me question. You can lie to Jack but you can’t lie to Gulenko. He don’t show his process. This is why you and others are so scared to get typed by Gulenko because you know you can’t fake your way through. Again, you avoid and deflect the situation by bringing up irrelevant points. You keep gaslighting others because you have self-doubt but I don’t. Welcome to foggy 1D valued Te land and you’re still chickenshit.

[Chthonic Daydream]

Where all my peripheral quadra boys and gals at?

[inaLim]

This thread is fucking hilarious

[Aster]

Firstly, thank you for taking the time to write out your experience and share it! From what I recall about myself at school, I didn’t really speak to a lot of people but would open up and chatter away if we had a shared interest - a bit like what you described with that lad. For me, it was books, and yeah embarrassingly The Twilight Saga 😱 I wouldn’t say I speak to people only if there’s an agenda for me or if it’s “cool” for me to talk to the person. I’ll always be polite and civil to people but the ones I connect with most there’s a common subject we’re talking about.

I relate to being a quiet dreamy child too. I am interested in mythology and supernatural fantasy too but to me the occult ghosts and stuff is really scary! I like the idea of magic existing in the world and do love vampire novels, ghost stories (I would have loved to be your friend and go along to seance and tea readings! I’m sure you were very sweet and cool) but I’d be scared shitless if a vampire knocked on my door to seduce me! I’m a wimp/ and that’s why I was unsure about being Beta cause I find gory creepy stuff well...creepy! Whereas other Beta NFs I’ve spoken to online are a bit more gritty and tough.

that said, at school I told my friends that I had no boyfriend because Satan had kept my virginity in a jar and wouldn’t allow anyone else near me. It was a joke, I guess cause I was teased for being frigid and shy and boyfriendless so I went with it like “erm yeah...well the Devil is my bae so who’s the real winner?”

I haven’t really mixed much with SLE LSI or LSE types in real life so I can’t really comment on intertype relationships, as to who Id get on best with. I do admire SLEs and find their frankness at times quite inspiring. Though I’m so boring and solitary compared to them; would rather sit indoors reading or writing than being out on the go. I think I’d bore them and other Betas actually 🙃

Funny enough, the girl who I was talking about, who I thought Beta NF, didn’t like occult things either! She wouldn’t watch horror with me and would freak out over occult stuff. So idk lol. But I like twilight, too . I didn’t read it until I think I was 22. That’s around the time it came out I think. I was big into Anne Rice books when I was younger and used to watch The Queen of the Damned over and over and had the biggest crush on Lestat

im sure we would have made fast friends

yeah honestly I’m not very tough, either. I’m a chicken shit wimp really, and I’m pretty boring and don’t mind it. Oh well, it is what it is..

[Aster]

I’ve defended Jack because I think his typings are actually pretty spot on, but only when the person being typed is HONEST and not fishing for a type and when he’s NOT typing his friends because he wants to please them so he gives them the type they want. I wasn’t ever fishing for a type, so my interview with Jack (from his old method) is truly me. But because I’ve had doubts seeing how Jack folded to delusional people just to avoid conflict, it made me want to know what my true type is, and I do believe in objective reality.

A lot of this has to do with understanding the functions and Model structure as Socionics from as close to Augusta’s formulations and not the Westernized MBTI version of Socionics which has greatly distorted understanding how to recognize the functions by pushing simplistic associations as Fi PoLR = emotional retard, or Ti lead= genius, etc. In order to do that, have to undo MBTI and it requires other people to also undo MBTI, too.

Yes, I didn’t get the feeling you were. I agree that some people seem to be. I don’t think they even realize they are. I agree with everything you’ve said. It’s refreshing to see someone call people out on BS

[Number 9 large]

This is a subject worthy of an own thread.

@shotgunfingers LSI-H
@Ebony IEI-C
@Suspiria EIE-C
@Chakram LSI-N
@Paranoia Agent ILI-C
@thegreenfaerie LSI-H
@Uncle Ave LSI-C
@aster IEI-N
@justalitnerdxx IEI-H

Beta squad unite

[Number 9 large]

Where can u get typed by gulenkerino and how much it cost

[Lolita]

Yes, I didn’t get the feeling you were. I agree that some people seem to be. I don’t think they even realize they are. I agree with everything you’ve said. It’s refreshing to see someone call people out on BS

I think a lot of errors are committed simply because people use typology of any sort to validate their delusions rather than push it away, and I’m against those who manipulate reality to suit their frail egos. If you’re going to subject yourself to analysis, you better not be fearful of the results. There’s nothing wrong with being any type but people gravitate to what they think is most flattering due to natural inclination of self-preservation whether it’s got any truth or not. The goal of typology is to understand the self and how one thinks, understand weaknesses and work on them and if possible, eradicate them with work over time. So much of socionics theory is still framed from an MBTI-like approach and treated like it’s an anything goes deal where you could be anything. From Gulenko’s assessment, I understood that just because I hate other people’s Fi doesn’t mean that I can’t be Fi and I understand now that my rationale for hating others’ Fi is basically due to them “violating” my lead function, Se. I consider anyone who mocks or distorts Se as an enemy and I treat them as such. Irl people do look up to me to provide them support and give them courage to do things but I’m not emotional. I never had faith in my people skills, but Fi doesn’t mean I’m suave with others, just means I know how to deal with people given the circumstances. I didn’t realize this about myself, and I’m so glad and grateful G helped me understand that.

I’ll record my review of him as soon as my roommate gets off the couch cuz she’s been sick lately and moved out to the living room for “air.”

[Lolita]

Where can u get typed by gulenkerino and how much it cost

Very easy! https://socioniks.net/article/?id=273

120USD + whatever transfer fee there is (like $5 for the service I used).

Anastasia will give you instructions, as she deals with English clients.

[The Reality Denialist]

I’ve defended Jack because I think his typings are actually pretty spot on, but only when the person being typed is HONEST and not fishing for a type and when he’s NOT typing his friends because he wants to please them so he gives them the type they want. I wasn’t ever fishing for a type, so my interview with Jack (from his old method) is truly me.

Um. yeah I get diffused around these matters as well. It is really hard not to swing to extremes if I have to prove the point. So people might get an impression that I believe everything I "accept" but pressing against their view does not seem like a right battle to pick if it is just humdrum daily life. That being said many times even a pressing doubt is not enough excuse myself from not trying to see the possibility. So it gets unfinished or something.<- see what I did there

[justalitnerdxx]

Funny enough, the girl who I was talking about, who I thought Beta NF, didn’t like occult things either! She wouldn’t watch horror with me and would freak out over occult stuff. So idk lol. But I like twilight, too . I didn’t read it until I think I was 22. That’s around the time it came out I think. I was big into Anne Rice books when I was younger and used to watch The Queen of the Damned over and over and had the biggest crush on Lestat

im sure we would have made fast friends

yeah honestly I’m not very tough, either. I’m a chicken shit wimp really, and I’m pretty boring and don’t mind it. Oh well, it is what it is..

i love the idea of“the occult” in fiction - makes more interesting and daring stakes in the story - but yeah real life occultism gives me nightmares. Yeah, I definitely need to reevaluate my understanding of the Quadras and different types to better understand. It may be easier for me at this time to take myself out the equation. I stress so much that I get different feedback and not confident at all with what my personal understanding is ��

[SlytherinPower]

I was typed SLE by Jack WSS on Jan 2 this year. After I saw how Consilence and SlytherinPower conned their typing from Jack recently, it made me really fucking livid. There’s no way those two could value Se. So I got typed by Gulenko and just got the results in about 1 hour ago- I’m SEE-N. I’ve actually secretly suspected that I’m SEE for awhile. Yayyyy I’m a “Politician.” I’m pretty excited to learn more about Socionics closer to Augusta and get far away from MBTI-like treatment of Socionics (poor stereotypes). And I want to reiterate, it’s not easy to be Se lead which is why I dislike and disapprove of anyone who shows they’re making fun of Se, degrading it, or avoiding it but then they’re delusional enough to believe they’re Se lead or value Se

So now I know that I’m most definitely an Se lead and I accept Gulenko’s typing as the true one.

Well 2 LIIs that I've talked to on discord have both said they don't see ESE for me so.