1) If people of the same quadra procreate, is it possible for them to have a child that is of one of the other three?
2) If two ILI's as an example, have a child, can the child be any type other than an ILI?
One Question each about procreation Intra-quadra & people of the same type procreating
1) If people of the same quadra procreate, is it possible for them to have a child that is of one of the other three?
2) If two ILI's as an example, have a child, can the child be any type other than an ILI?
Good question. I think there is a direction but not an imperative.
For example, my family:
Mother=LSE, Father=SLI
LIE Son--------------------Married-------------ex-wife SLI >>>>>>>>to have an SLI son
LSE Daughter
LII Daughter
So (two Deltas) had a (Gamma, a Delta, and an Alpha.)
A (Gamma and a Delta) had a Delta.
1. yes, socio science already discovered the gene of type.
2. marry your identical and come to tell us your son's type.
Good questions, I'm always tracking this kind of data and patterns.
I've come across many, and I do mean many families where everyone is within the same or, at the very least, complimentary quadras, but it doesn't always work out like that.
Both of my parents (mom, SEE and dad, LIE) are/were Gamma quadra. My mother's mother was EII and her husband was SLI > they had 4 kids: SEE, SEI, 2 LSEs. My father's mother was SEE and her husband was LSI > they had 3 kids: LIE, ESI and SLE.
To the second question, my LSE aunt is married to another LSE and their offspring is EII.
ILI + ILI = ESE
"Mommy, mommy... where do types come from?"
/nervous sweating
"Uhhh... well... you see, dear, mama Ausra comes and leaves them by the door in a basket."
I never believed it.
You see, when people of the same quadra love each other very much...
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― Clarice Lispector
There are definitely tendencies but they are not so clear I dont think it is about quadra.
And quadra is just one way of grouping the types. You could ask the same question about clubs or supervision rings etc
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Perhaps like offspring being throwbacks of their grandparents, atavisms are just as observable in Socionics.Originally Posted by Alonzo
Good questions, I'm always tracking this kind of data and patterns.
I've come across many, and I do mean many families where everyone is within the same or, at the very least, complimentary quadras, but it doesn't always work out like that.
Both of my parents (mom, SEE and dad, LIE) are/were Gamma quadra. My mother's mother was EII and her husband was SLI > they had 4 kids: SEE, SEI, 2 LSEs. My father's mother was SEE and her husband was LSI > they had 3 kids: LIE, ESI and SLE.
To the second question, my LSE aunt is married to another LSE and their offspring is EII.
In a person genealogic tree, there must be people of all types if we go back far enough.
In my family, just myself, mom, dad and maternal grandma are each in a different quadra, but somehow, my only sibling was in the same quadra as me.
I don't know about the others, hence I didn't mention them.
Normal brains contain all the structures necessary to be any of the types, but in the womb, we start developing preferences; and by age 25, most are fully habituated to a type. Now brains have differing processing efficiencies and speeds but this is strictly a genetic matter while type isn't. We have limited processing resources so we have to become information specialists; an ego needs stability and a niche - an environmentally-influenced type. People with multiple personalities likely access many of the other configurations but at the expense of stability. Most normal types do show dual-like processing when under a lot of stress and this is typically a sign of temporary instability.......
a.k.a. I/O
there is no theory or significant experimental data about dependecies between types of parrents and children
most probably it's genetical - the type predisposition appears from the start. alike what leading hand you'll have - right or left
as some types of children are better for them - there can be in some families to have more some types - to get more good IR with parrents or grandparrents than accidentally
the concrete mechanism is uknown still
I've read Talanov saying that ESE is one of the types that spreads the most through generations, like if you have a ESE parent, chances her that the sons will be Fe.
My mother and grandmother are both ESEs. My maternal grandfather was SLI (and he had Delta parents). One of my mother's brothers is LII; the other is LSI.
My father is (I think) ILI or LIE. His parents are SEI and (I think) SLI.
I'm (I think) LII. My sister is (I think) ESI.
In summary, my Alpha and Gamma parents produced an Alpha and Gamma kid -- my mother coming from a fairly Alpha family, and my father being somewhat of an odd one out. So I think there's some genetic basis for typing.
Procreation and the result in humanity as we know it now or ever is essentially impossible to fully "figure out" and thank GOD that's the truth. The kid is more likely to be a Gamma yeah (as your parents inevitably affect you on many different levels), but that ain't guaranteed. If we assume a pure gamma couple is overwhelmingly likely to produce a gamma offspring, then the ILI "inbreeding" couple is only 25 percent likely to clone itself as it were. Probably produces an SEE they'd be quite proud of to be honest, but an ESI or a LIE is far from impossible.
Indeed, they could turn out any other type (even conflictors). They'd still love them though, for unconditional love is a thing we can only really give to our children. Can you truly hate your "conflictor" if they are also your child? I'd hope not. Sadly, many do. Though, I must admit, it's the children hating their parents more often than not. Unjustly in most cases I'd wager...
Well, unless we start asking aborted babies their opinions. Getting killed off because one parent or another deemed you "inconvenient" in the ultimate analysis of their own shallow and pointless lives? Yeah, karma's suddenly one hell of a concept that could very well bite you harder than the tidal forces beyond the event horizon of a black hole...
Last edited by End; 06-03-2019 at 06:57 AM.
Socionics uses quadras because it is a very useful way to group types. But I dont see any reason to assume that the kid will inherit the quadra. There are many other ways a parent can affect the kids type. Maybe sensors tend to produce sensors etc. Nature doesnt "know" about quadras.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I'd say it does, but that's from an r/K selection bias. r-selected couples are quite likely to produce r-selected offspring, and vice versa. Nature quite well and thoroughly knows that dichotomy. Gammas are predisposed to K-selection by and large. r-selected variants can and do exist, but I mean, let's be honest here. The Gamma quadra basically bases itself upon the idea of a true and hardcore meritocracy. The best lead, and the least follow if they know what's good for them, as it should be far as we see it subconsciously. That's K-selection in a nutshell.
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