I before told him he would have made a hell of an OBGYN, walking women/girls in labor and in assuring way, one commanding practical assurance.. And he is methodical, step-by-step with a calm, gentle presence that does not dominate, but listens and gently, yet with a firm grasp, guides.
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Do IEIs not value LIIs version of Ti? Do IEIs believe LIIs are overly rational?
They are generally more skeptical of insights because of unvalued Ni and being a rational base, but in my experience with the older LII I talk to, he is more in awe with me than anything else..Originally Posted by Stray Cat
My biggest issue with him is how he tries push Ne and Si on me. Ne is not as much bothersome for me as is the Si. He always is trying get me to relax and simmer down, soothe my emotion, when they need an outlet to channel through. His Ti is not as much an issue, but I do prefer people leading by their instinctual, intuitive thinking.
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The Ne/Si approach especially is bothersome, because his role is more advisory, and so it is advice that often just goes our through my ears and it appears as if I just disregard what he oftentimes has say.
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The people who complain about no one ever listening to what they have say (not the case of the LII. He is very patient and never complains) just have incompatible information elements most time.
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This is kinda interesting cause my SEI buddy does a bunch helping others. Cause of that, figured I'd go Se & offer to buy food for her pets. Seems she doesn't dig practical help, which is fine. Not sure how wise it is not accepting help, even if from an unvalued function. I may not value Si but I can appreciate if a person bought me a "comfy" coat just cause they fuckin' cared.
I get her position but stubbornness isn't always the best choice.
My LII buddy tends to be absolute in his Ti analysis/classifications. If disturbed he gets obviously irritated by it. For me, though I might prefer others dig my Ti, I don't give a shit whether people really buy in
Guess it's the "hero" function thing. LXIs might take it personal if their Ti analysis isn't appropriately acknowledged
Oh of course we do, but here IEI only needs creative Ti-level help since we don't suck that bad at it, and it feels like base Ti goes overboard.
LIIs and Ti doms in general want to be a part of the group, the ones I've known in my life like to be involved in the group atmosphere but they are also very logical and opinionated. They will navigate Fi fine but find it tedious as one would find their role function, they want to be in a group that will let them say their thoughts without fear of being judged or questioned Fi ethically for espousing them.
LIIs aren't normally loud boisterous people and tend to get drown out if the atmosphere gets too rambunctious, as Fe valuing groups tend to get. ExEs love to listen to Ti, almost like they have a special ear for it (I often pick it out of a crowd). They will naturally want to hear from the LII and allow them to be heard and feel like they are a part of the conversation.
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
I have not met an LII who really wanted to be "part" of a group although they'd be comfortable watching or inputting to a group. They value their autonomy much too much to actually integrate.
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I agree that they are autonomous, but they will still want to "input" into a group. I don't really see inputting into a group as different from being a part of a group.
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
So about the Fe doses and withdrawals.. I have a problem where if I am out and about with people and getting Fe, and then I come back home, I'll feel energized and everything. If I was constantly around someone Fe I definitely would annoy them, because it'd be like playing with a new toy all the time - you don't want to do anything else because this one thing is so much better and you cant even think about anything else. But after a while of this (days?) the awkwardness of always sucking at this person's nipple for entertainment would overtake my willingness to suck said nipple. And then I may get cold towards this person as I want to just be left alone. And it would probably stay this way for a long time, becoming the rule instead of the exception. Bursts of wanting to be engaged in Fe would become few and far between, maybe months between each "binge".
But this is just me and my level of self-control. An ESE can always do this much more intensely than I ever could, and that's what's offputting about it. It's like I instantly reach my saturation point and need to cool off even though I am still on an Fe "high". I could completely drop off engagement after this point, so it looks more like 5 seconds of Fe binge followed by 5 months of nothing.
But an Fe creative reaches that saturation point much more slowly because the interaction always maintains a feeling of "play" where the call and response is more on my level and never quite burns me out, which could leave you continuously coming back to that ball of yarn, tossing it around.
It's the "wanting to be" that's not really LII; they will input if necessary as they would belong if necessary but they prefer to remain detached if only mentally. Now Ejs and to a lesser extent Ips are group-think types.
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LII are define by fear. The perversion is them trying to think about the worst things possible and how to handle them. Repressed Fe because being caring is not manly. I g
Hate how often IEIs handle LIIs. Repressed Fe results in perversion due to exploration and fine tunement of possibilities and solving them logically. LIIs have deep anxiety because they are sensitive, or because they are embarrassed they Hate being exposed because it means they become a target and someone can exploit their vulnerabilities. They are a crybaby with inert uncontrollable emotions on the inside. Want to be alloewed to be themselves with someone thep0y trust. All u had to tell him was the truth, but u didnt
, cuz u were afraid of hurting him, cuz he could argue better than u, which means u are in the wronf and have no reason to be agitate by him, at the same time he would want to tear u apart logically cuzu lead him on, manipulatively. Ofc him being better at Ti doesnt meanhe is actuly right, but if u are worse u cant explain all u see with Ni. This geys him frustrated and think u are bsing him. So u should have told him that.
LIIs want to care for someone to exercise their Fe and prove themselves to not be perverted Monsters. Their perversion May be Ti reaching the Li its of whats okay and not ok. They thought about, everything considered means its ok.
@thehotelambush do u feel like confirming?
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Its not stubborness, its when u need something and u get something else thats bad for u. I see LIIs as lacking awareness they try to compensate for by trying to figurr out things consciously.
LIIs being able to be alone doesnt mean they dont need Fe. Everyone is needy as long as their cognition exists needing maintenance. NEED is the same as want
For me, "so needy" has a different connotation than "a need". I agree that LIIs could use some Fe rationalization. I doubt that they want it or truly search for it.
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They dont actively Search it because possibilities obstacles procrSatination, Si loop, Ti rationalizationa of it being meaningless or Unworthy of risks of exposing or even being perceived as vulnerable. They would be disrespected by someone Who doesnt undetsramd their Fe. THIS INTj expised his Fe "perversion" gets disrespected and weaned off. LIIs Def seem to enjoy Fe a lot as someone said it gives them something for the apathy/meaninglessnes.
I do not relate to that description. Lazyness is what mostly hinders me, since interacting with the real world requires a lot of boring concrete activities which give little reward to me internally. IEI at least try with their suggestive Se
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i think N types in general are more defined by recession/fear than S types but depending on what u mean by fear u can turn it the other way around but i can mess with words forever without saying anything
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