Types most likely to be American style libertarians

[Averroes]

I unironically could not care less about their main talking points; private tyranny and people barely being able to afford a dignified, balanced life unless they’re type A geniuses or born rich bothers me more and I support unilateral government action if it’s for a good cause, sensible in light of the circumstances and doesn’t involve literally murdering or sending people to the gulag for benign noncompliance

Edit: the reason we have “so much” regulation in the first place is because employers/businesses naturally have a lot more leverage than workers and consumers and would get away with anything short of de facto slavery and poisoning people in an unfettered free market and new regulations would spring up once they inevitably cause some catastrophe after cutting too many corners

[Disturbed]

I'm a libertarian, although a practical one and I realize my need for some public institutions, but I think more public spending is ridiculous.

[EUDAEMONIUM]

I think LIE and ILE are most likely to be silicon valley technocratic libertarians (like John McAfee)

I think several other types could be Libertarian. But to me it seems like an Alpha thing.

A reluctance toward judgement of behavior (Fi) is the social liberalism angle. The aversion to large power structures seem democratic and Se devaluing.

[Adam Strange]

I'm a libertarian, although a practical one and I realize my need for some public institutions, but I think more public spending is ridiculous.

How do you feel about spending money on your kids? Or do you charge them for food and rent?

Most public spending is for defense or insurance in old age. Public spending on education is almost an afterthought. But more of it would have large returns.

[AWellArmedCat]

I was really into hyper libertarian and ancap stuff five or so years ago, but since then have mellowed out and moved left on a lot of things. I think I broadly speaking still have a libertarian perspective on things though (e.g. I tend to assume that government action is probably going to make a problem worse or just create different ones until proven otherwise, I think conservatives freak out over borders way too much, I'm very concerned with civil liberties, I love guns, I've got a bucket list of psychedelics I want to try, and I think we put way too many people in jail). It would be disingenuous of me to not admit that Japanese healthcare is simply better though. I've got experience with both, and the choice is obvious to me. I don't have any reservations around money going towards things like better healthcare and education. That's not to even mention climate change... Anyways, I don't really have a particular ideology at this point, but it's roughly libertarian center on the political compass, and I tend to like some aspects of geolibertarianism. I'm not sure if young IEIs are particularly prone to it though or if that was just me. I definitely agree with @Eudaimonia though that ILE seem to comprise a decent chunk of them

[Chillaxe]

LIE is going to ether be libertarian or SJW

[SlytherinPower]

I consider myself a libertarian. idk what types it correlates to though.

[Averroes]

LIE is going to ether be libertarian or SJW

They’re either libertarians or centrist/establishment democrats

[Chillaxe]

I don't think so. They are too into politics to be chill about anything. Too much of a "Know whats wrong with the world and know what needs to be done" attitude to be centrist.

[serenaeva]

I agree LIEs are likely not to be centrist and are often libertarians, but i find it very hard to believe they could be SJWs. That's more of a Beta/Delta NF preoccupation. @Chillaxe @Averroes
I consider myself to be libertarian and i'm a Gamma too.

[Adam Strange]

I find SJWs to be a pain in the ass, and I'd be surprised if most LIE's didn't feel this way.

I've met some LIEs who espoused Libertarian views, but they weren't very aware LIEs. Maybe they'll wise up later. Or maybe someone will slap the shit out of them, to their great benefit.


The thing about Libertarians is that their mercenary views justify them selfishly treating you like shit, but when it comes to them reaping the benefits of a kinder, less mercenary society, they're all for that.

Ayn Rand was a perfect example of this. She loudly advocated for Free Love, which in her mind, justified her exploitation of her lovers, but when she fell in love with a guy who, in turn, cheated on her, she went ballistic. Fucking hypocrite.

Capitalism for the masses, Socialism for the rich!

[Averroes]

I think LIE and ILE are most likely to be silicon valley technocratic libertarians (like John McAfee)

I think several other types could be Libertarian. But to me it seems like an Alpha thing.

A reluctance toward judgement of behavior (Fi) is the social liberalism angle. The aversion to large power structures seem democratic and Se devaluing.

Alpha: “people are fundamentally rational and good and can be trusted to do what’s best for themselves and society as a whole in any situation”, “compelling people to pay taxes is immoral”

Beta: “survival of the fittest”, “big government is evil”, “‘freedom’ is the ultimate end”

Gamma: “fuck you I have mine”, “I’m gonna be a gorillionaire someday”, “let me innovate/max out my profits and I’ll enrich society as a whole”

Delta: “stay out of my business”, “nothing in life is free”, “I work hard and don’t want to fund some welfare queen’s lifestyle”

[xerx]

Capitalism for the masses, Socialism for the rich!

Yep.

[Averroes]

I don't think so. They are too into politics to be chill about anything. Too much of a "Know whats wrong with the world and know what needs to be done" attitude to be centrist.

By centrists I was referring to coastal champagne liberals who are woke about social issues and maybe support higher taxes for the obscenely wealthy but are fundamentally right-leaning when it comes to their own upper class economic interests. You don't think a lot of Te-LIEs fall under that category?

[Chillaxe]

By centrists I was referring to coastal champagne liberals who are woke about social issues and maybe support higher taxes for the obscenely wealthy but are fundamentally right-leaning when it comes to their own upper class economic interests. You don't think a lot of Te-LIEs fall under that category?

Misunderstood, very solid call totally agree.

[Disturbed]

I think ILE-Ti and some LIE most likely. ESI-Se somewhat likely. LSE-Te likely. SLI of some subtype likely. Betas unlikely to be pure libertarian except maybe some LSI-Se... Betas are too politically opportunistic and clearly favor having power over a firm ethical stance that they apply to themselves and others to be libertarians, except for a few and even then they don't understand it that well, not much better than I do.

How do you feel about spending money on your kids? Or do you charge them for food and rent?

Most public spending is for defense or insurance in old age. Public spending on education is almost an afterthought. But more of it would have large returns.

I don't have kids and I probably never will. But if I had kids, and couldn't afford them then there is private charity and I still wouldn't have much choice with the school system and neither would my kids. The state is super-inefficient, and you as a Gamma NT don't realize that (e.g., Alexander Hamilton and Jensen Huang were inefficient LIE and who were unimpressed by unusual talents and originality) and that there are other ways to do things and better ways to nurture innate intelligence and unusual talents than throwing more money at a broken system. And public spending on education does not mean better returns, especially not with more of it because there are so many kids who don't need more structure, and who may be better off without and may have talents that can be developed in other ways and if they're in the school system they may be likely to waste money. So MORE money for public education definitely isn't necessary, and I'm sure less could easily be done with. College is not for everyone, it really wasn't for me. I was in emotionally disturbed classes and had so many resources, yet it didn't have any returns... I didn't ask for the help it was forced upon me.

I'm hoping and kind of expecting that in Virginia with my new governor, it will be proven that the Democrats were anti-logical, anti-mathematical, ridiculous on government, welfare, covid, regulations whatever, that they're holding back the very people they talk about helping and that the Democrats totally didn't look at what was broken and what was unnecessary they didn't look at the details and separate those things out, they were very one sided and couldn't offset each thing (e.g., Joe Biden only raising taxes on the wealthy, spending the full $800Bn on the vaccines without them being tested, without seeing who didn't need them, based on blood types, mtdna haplogroups, other genetic markers, race, gender, health characteristics, environmental issues, current medicines and interactions with vaccines and health, etc, etc).

And i want you to know, Adam, that I'm on welfare myself, I didn't sign up for it, but my mom was worried about having to pay for my expenses so she got guardianship... she's pretty authoritarian and is constantly worried about money, always has been. She didn't realize that just because she wasn't very smart and not very beautiful and didn't analyze much of the surroundings around her, that other people shouldn't have to give her money for her own mistakes and when virginia had a broken mental health system which is due far more to regulations (licensing regs/precription privileges when the patients have info on the internet and the drugs should be over the counter, guardianship orders, no access to other CSBs, ones that have mostly people that each individual is compatible with) and the existing system than in need of more spending. She knows nothing about psychology and she's disturbed by and could never be friends with anyone who drops out of school or who gives their kids too much freedom without realizing that each kid is different and there is no evidence that one size fits all (or even close to all) because it definitely doesn't.

Medicaid is inefficient in the extreme, too much spending on it. An example would be the uselessness of long acting injections which cost taxpayers a shitload of money and that's due to the patent system. And then even if more medicaid spending increases patient choice, the regulations decrease patient choices as well and drive up prices. Too many people ignore the cost of regulations... they reduce quality, drive up prices, and they reduce choices; and they fail the patients over and over again (e.g., i had wanted a doctor to follow FDA guidelines so he didn't have unlimited power as he needed to know the limits and he couldn't help my health, sure enough he went right against them and made me less healthy... typical EIE-Ni idiot scientist not realizing the root cause of my problems was the meds in the first place and not seeing other angles other than his aggressive goal, that he was highly fixated on to give me a shot in the butt; that's one reason I hate EIE-Ni, they're mostly banal idiots and they shouldn't be in the sciences... ever)

[Not A Communist Shill]

Probably EXTX and ST types most likely - the sort of people who think they can do everything themselves and don't see why they should have to subsidize others in their view.

[Armitage]

Ironically, the United States of America spends on average more money on education than Europe, but achieves lesser results. Why? Because the money goes to the rich private universities, and barely to poor neighbourhood schools and colleges where it actually matters. It's an inverse Robin Hood.
With such a crooked state that doesn't care for the people, I can imagine people feeling like they're better off without a government at all. Libertarianism is the reaction to government corruption, while social-democratism is the response to corporate corruption, and both types of corruption together inspire anarchism.