I get along with guys like that too. Mmmm fiery Beta males so masculine and passionate and hot.
I get along with guys like that too. Mmmm fiery Beta males so masculine and passionate and hot.
I think that his relationship with her helps to tip the balance towards IEI. It's obviously not so black-and-white, but generally I think that EIEs tend to tire of SEE'sOriginally Posted by JuJu
coupled with a disregard for
(pretty much how that benefit relationship works). SEE-IEI semi-duality works much better.
It seems that while a lot of his antics (such as trying to buy the bones of the so-called Elephant Man) were indeed publicity stunts and/or pranks, his obsession with themes related to Peter Pan was totally genuine, as several people have been saying, and Neverland was really his own personal dream world.
I see parallels with Walt Disney's inclinations, such as spending countless hours riding his miniature railtrack at his house. I'm not talking about Disney's public image, which was different, I mean his private life according to his biographers. I've long typed Disney as IEI (Rick thinks ESE, but I think this doesn't hold if you read eyewitness reports of what Disney was really like).
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, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
he's very curious from a scientific point of view. i'd like to know about his drug regimen in detail. he didn't seem very aged for a 50 year old.
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i was thinking hormone replacement, and steroids.
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Yeah, I've always typed her as EIE.
Michael jackson is ENFj not INFj or INFp
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Jackson is definitely beta NF, that's for sure.
Sounds good to me.
I vote Michael Jackson as INFp
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Michael Jackson's kids
Just watched a documentary on them on TLC last night.
Here are my guesses:
Prince -- SLI
Paris -- ESI
Blanket -- SLE or SEE
Thoughts?
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
i couldn't care less about Prince and Paris but if they turn Blanket into a freakin chav
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I like EIE for Michael Jackson. I've been thinking about him for the last years on and off. Is he IEI? Is he EII ?? There is always something off with these typings. But EIE it is! Subtype: Ni-harmonizing. That's why we are so fast to type him as an introvert.
I don't see Fe creative, so IEI doesn't fit. He is also a little too expressive for IEI. And H is probably the only possible subtype for him and he doesn't seem H-IEI.
He has that linear EJ temperament about him. It is really appearent when one thinks about it.
MJ is a superb dancer, a natural. In my experience EIEs tend to be the best dancers. Creative use of time, lol.
Yes, and very much an EIE.
I have no reason to doubt that he got skin treatments and that he was "lying" or somehow using this as an excuse. I think people just don't give others enough credit and just say "yes, this individual is being honest." We are too highly prone to suspicions of others and skepticism to the point where we don't trust others and where we put them in uncomfortable positions to have them defend themselves when no such situation is either acceptable or kind in a lot of situations. He didn't have to defend himself against the publics opinions about what he was doing and why his skin color changed. It's the public that should reexamine their behavior towards him.
I loved his music, and was touched by his kindness.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Well sure, EIE okay. And, I liked him and enjoyed his music. But he was a pedophile.
IEI-Fe 4w3
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Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Beta NF has always been my assumption. Only a Beta NF could be so simultaneously fixated upon and disconnected from their physical appearance.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Why is that so true? How does that happen?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Fe ego + weak and valued Se + weak unvalued Si
I think Beta NFs, especially EIEs, tend to want to project a certain presence, or for their presence to have a particular effect (Fe ego, valued Se) so they go about trying to achieve or implement particular pieces they think are key (weak, valued Se) but can be misguided in actually achieving that effect from a subjective or holistic standpoint (weak Si).
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Same here.
I do think he's INFj. Definitely serious, definitely introverted, doesn't give off any Beta-ness, he's one of the more relateable INFjs there is. This is because he's a 4. Kind of a hardcore aura of Fi, 4ness and fluffy Si thoughts. That really pensive, self-centered personal emotionality, continuous craving for resonance, lack of desiring to make an outside effect, empathy not sympathy, it's like he's looking straight into his heart as it flows without concern for how people are responding, an inner child, is Fi in a nutshell. Not to mention no expression, demonstrativeness or degree of entertaining in his tone like an Fe type, there is no intention to take on and aid others' emotions or a current of expression/reaction. Everything very personal.
Probably you.
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EIE on stage and IEI in person... Maybe he's a messed-up EIE.
The problem I see is that he shows no Ti, but a lot of Fe. There's hardly any Se at the same time though.
I wonder in like 20 years people will be like, "man, 2010's were the shit... we don't get artists like Lady Gaga and Katy Perry anymore".
ESI 4w3 So/Sx.
Fi lead -> deep personal sentiments which he expresses with little emotional dramaticism (in interviews) -> Fe Ignoring.
Good Sensing -> manages to be viscerally impactful and does it for effect (Creative Se) and to bring across or support his ethical messages, and successful at being an aesthete (strong Si).
Introverted. Sincere Communication Style.
Typical issues with the Social 4's shame, in his case about the appearance of his face and skin.
Concerned with social issues (-> So first) and popularity or being trendy (w3, synflow), could be effortlessly sexy without being vulgar -> So/Sx
ESI? ESI is the one one who has swallowed his/her morals in a way that she/he looks like stiff leash with electric charge.
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He's a fantastic dancer, good at making music, one of the best performers, gives one hell of a show. But kind of hippie-ish and childlike/childish. He seems really spaced out like he's unaware of his environment or the intentions of the people around him. He seems naive and unworldly, but maybe he really isn't.
Michael Jackson - ENFJ - Hamlet
SEI
SLI-Te THE SERVITOR i.e. duty-driven
and he looks (VIs) just like a similar close friend of mine who types as ST too. He works in IT.
Michael's image issues were his wrestling with his polar Fi Ne.
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Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
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Maybe EIE.
He was known to work extremely hard, practicing dance routines up to 12 hours a day, for example.
Both Si & Te can be quite diligent, in my experience. Together too much creates the oppression quality I mentioned in my esoteric I ching Hexagram thread.
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
Definitely LSE
lolDefinitely LSE
The darkest picture, he seems IEI-Fe
Gasp we are swapping his super ego lol
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
No, SLIs are known to be relaxed and lazy. Perhaps the laziest type...
Just because an opinion might be popularly accepted as fact in typings doesn't necessarily mean I also agree with it just so you & others know. If I get enough contrary data from experiences and see applications of logic and experiences in real life that do not match many popularly beliefs being passed on, I have no problem with questioning it or running contrary to some norms until better mutual understandings are achieved.
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
SLI is not that good at dancing imo, and MJ was superb at it.
I'd put my bet on EIE, Harmonizing. Good dancers and performers are often EIE.
Harmonizing subtype can seem like IP, and MJ is a really, really obvious Harmonizer.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I disagree. How do you type Britney Spears and Paula Abdul? Si ego. I should know. I used to dance like them...
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
Only those without goals ideals or a sense of values duty.
How do you type Quincy Jones who molded him? True Beta NFs create their own styles.
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
My ex-bf was EIE-Ni and sister EIE-Fe. Both took type tests too. I supervised them both, relationally. Neither one is anything like Michael Jackson. Knew the ex for over 20 years.
Lady Gaga is EIE-Fe.
Idk. Exceptionally eccentric or unusual people can be hard to accurately type.
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~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
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