Your typing of forum members

[Tim]

I would like to say that there are Gammas with a bad reputation. I did benchmarked Amber Heard as SEE and Martin Shkreli as LIE but they typically get caught later after all the damage have been done. I also think Donald Trump is an SEE but many would argued that he's SLE, and he seem to be hated by many.

I don't think Delta and Alpha are stigmatized in the real world though. However, both judicious quadra would be sometimes stigmatized in the Facebook Socionics community as being a useless joke who either play video games all day or carve wood all day and be boring (Spongebob, Fred Rogers, and Hank Hill). Sometimes, being a Beta in the Socionics community are overtyped similar to the "INTJ Mastermind" in the MBTI community. Being a Delta and Alpha is similar to what people think of sensors in MBTI and enneagram 6 in the enneagram community.

[Tim]

I think that my Dad drilled a lot of Gamma values and Te into me and my brother at a young age. It doesn't mean that I'm comfortable with Fi/Te, or really adept at using it. I got a lot of lectures about being practical, and using my brain despite actually doing things and getting them done. I have noticed considerable differences between how my Dad and myself act and think, and how we process information. I think I come across as a bit of a "bitch" and hide my Fe a bit because of how I was brought up. I was taught to value productivity, and not waste time.

Kiana went crazy though after being typed SEE. Do you think that maybe (not saying this is the case of course) that she was stressed going from Ti creative to Ti PoLR in the system and that she was actually Fi PoLR, and when she tried to be Fi, she flew off the reals? I guess that could happen in some circumstances when people have such a massive type jump. Or again, she could just be a bitch and was good at hiding it.

That would have some influence. However, I'm also from a family of Te and Fi valuers (LSE dad, ESI mom, and EII sister). I'm still concerned about emotional expression and impact the atmosphere often giving a troll vibe as Kat said in the Transcendence Discord.

[Braingel]

If I get away with an older IEI, I may be moving to the Deep South. @Tim

[Braingel]

If it's more beta, I will probably have much easier time

[Braingel]

I was raised by an ESE, and my father is probably LSE sp8. I I the IEI2Fe, which is ESE pseudo type, and so I sort of value Si a bit more than would typical IEI.. By Is and Se being "boosted". It can affect your subtype. @DEAD

[Braingel]

This shit is probably written by Te/Fi eh:

The image in it: http://stateofthesouth.org/2015/10/2...ith-the-south/

[QueenTiger666]

I wonder where the EIE hate comes from. Every EIE I've known has been really sweet

For her it seemed she was almost stuck in a loop where she'd ascribed certain traits to EIEs (eg. rallying a "hate mob" and being overdramatic - both of which can be exhibited by more unhealthy EIEs sure but aren't in themselves defining traits of the type) so that when she perceived someone to be doing that she'd type them as EIE and thus reinforcing her opinion of the type.

It does seem a lot of people are quick to slap an EIE or Beta typing on people they don't like. Likely because there seems to be a lot of Si valuers and Deltas on the forum who see someone they don't like and assume they must be of the opposing quadra. That and taking surface level traits that can be influenced by non-type related factors and assigning them to a type based on personal bias and experience.

[QueenTiger666]

I would like to say that there are Gammas with a bad reputation. I did benchmarked Amber Heard as SEE and Martin Shkreli as LIE but they typically get caught later after all the damage have been done. I also think Donald Trump is an SEE but many would argued that he's SLE, and he seem to be hated by many.

I don't think Delta and Alpha are stigmatized in the real world though. However, both judicious quadra would be sometimes stigmatized in the Facebook Socionics community as being a useless joke who either play video games all day or carve wood all day and be boring (Spongebob, Fred Rogers, and Hank Hill). Sometimes, being a Beta in the Socionics community are overtyped similar to the "INTJ Mastermind" in the MBTI community. Being a Delta and Alpha is similar to what people think of sensors in MBTI and enneagram 6 in the enneagram community.

Yeah I've also noticed Betas being used as a typing similar to what INTJ (and ENTJ to an extent) is used for in MBTI. Looking at personalitydatabase (shit site especially for socionics, very few of them know anything about socionics) a lot of villains end up being typed as EIE and SLE, any aggressive character is usually typed as ExTJ SLE. As such, there's quite a lot of characters that end up being voted as INTJ EIE which doesn't seem to make much sense as a combination and it likely comes from them misunderstanding EIEs and Beta values.

[Braingel]

Yeah I've also noticed Betas being used as a typing similar to what INTJ (and ENTJ to an extent) is used for in MBTI. Looking at personalitydatabase (shit site especially for socionics, very few of them know anything about socionics) a lot of villains end up being typed as EIE and SLE, any aggressive character is usually typed as ExTJ SLE. As such, there's quite a lot of characters that end up being voted as INTJ EIE which doesn't seem to make much sense as a combination and it likely comes from them misunderstanding EIEs and Beta values.

I only know one competent person on PDB, and that would be Stugg. He is a mod, and he is better than almost anyone in any of the communities I have been in, at typology. LIE-Ni.

[Braingel]

Stugg's page (he lists a shit load of articles and gave pdf's of numerous typological books): https://www.personality-database.com...rsonality-type

[Braingel]

He's studied Naranjo, Icazo, Chesnut, Riso Hudson... Isabella Meyers, Socionics.. He truly has studied very extensively.

[Braingel]

I initially had typed myself IEI, but with beta stigma, I was convinced I am an EII, and then everyone on Socionics servers paraded me as an IEE or EIE.. I stuck my gun with EII for awhile.. But upon meeting Ashton Martin in person who immediately caught me as IEI (an SLE-Se) and also watching Stugg supervise the shit out of me, I was able to accept back to IEI.

[Braingel]

My sedecology is testimonial to how everyone tried enforce me as EIE:https://www.sedecology.com/subjects/8530

And then other people pushed me as IEE, bit they were not as forceful about it, but pretty firmly stuck, aside from esoteric/pansophy.

The only person who ever was able to catch me as an IEI prior to my meeting Ashton Martin (and Choppy) irl and me interacting with Stugg, is Bruh Bear. Goth opined I am introverted, but she never said anything else past that and never officially typed me.
For months I was typed IEE and EIE by community, and I had EII with alternative IEE for a long while. Only Brush Bear was the one to from beginning have me down as an IEI.

[qaz00]

I only know one competent person on PDB, and that would be Stugg. He is a mod, and he is better than almost anyone in any of the communities I have been in, at typology. LIE-Ni.

The fact anime characters dominate on the top typed list says a lot about this place... Tell this Stugg to move to some more competent place (here lol), where he can cooperate with serious typers, not random kids who got into typology because of memes (that's how I see most of these popular sites, it's probably even worse on facebook and discord).

[QueenTiger666]

My sedecology is testimonial to how everyone tried enforce me as EIE:https://www.sedecology.com/subjects/8530

And then other people pushed me as IEE, bit they were not as forceful about it, but pretty firmly stuck, aside from esoteric/pansophy.

The only person who ever was able to catch me as an IEI prior to my meeting Ashton Martin (and Choppy) irl and me interacting with Stugg, is Bruh Bear. Goth opined I am introverted, but she never said anything else past that and never officially typed me.
For months I was typed IEE and EIE by community, and I had EII with alternative IEE for a long while. Only Brush Bear was the one to from beginning have me down as an IEI.

I'm curious, would you say that a certain individual that we both know constantly switching up his typing of you confused you or had any impact on your self typing or did it not have any affect?

[Braingel]

I'm curious, would you say that a certain individual that we both know constantly switching up his typing of you confused you or had any impact on your self typing or did it not have any affect?

When I knew nothing about Socionics at all, absolutely Roman did confuse me, because I never at all bothered in its looking and very briefly read shitty description of sociotype.com he gave me of, and I just skimmed them. He could not figure out if I was an EII or IEI, but those were what he started with, and as I joined servers eventually, IEE and EIE, and even ILE. He even typed me SEI, his own type, once. But he added me to that group chat with you, and that guy thought I was an ILE in there too.

[QueenTiger666]

When I knew nothing about Socionics at all, absolutely Roman did confuse me, because I never at all bothered in its looking and very briefly read shitty description of sociotype.com he gave me of, and I just skimmed them. He could not figure out if I was an EII or IEI, but those were what he started with, and as I joined servers eventually, IEE and EIE, and even ILE. He even typed me SEI, his own type, once. But he added me to that group chat with you, and that guy thought I was an ILE in there too.

Yeah I suspect he confused a whole lot of people by doing exactly that - he was too detail focused (ie. would change his typing of himself or someone else based on like 1 sentence of a certain description not fitting) when really all of that could've been avoided if he were to figure out your quadra values and go from there. But yeah I did assume that would be confusing because you didn't seem to be that deep into Socionics at that point.

[Braingel]

Yeah I suspect he confused a whole lot of people by doing exactly that - he was too detail focused (ie. would change his typing of himself or someone else based on like 1 sentence of a certain description not fitting) when really all of that could've been avoided if he were to figure out your quadra values and go from there. But yeah I did assume that would be confusing because you didn't seem to be that deep into Socionics at that point.

Yeah I was not. I did not know anything of it, and when I tried looking up Socionics, I did not find anything. For some reason, wikisocion would not pop up in my search.. The descriptions on sociotype.com were shitty and I could see myself fitting into both EII and IEI.. And I forgot mention Roman also typed me as ILI and LII before too.

[Braingel]

Because I could not see valid description and there is not really good info on sociotype.om as well as the scarce availability of Socionics and nothing coming up when I looked on internet, I thought Socionics was stupid. Had I seen wikisocion first, it would have been fine.

[QueenTiger666]

Yeah I was not. I did not know anything of it, and when I tried looking up Socionics, I did not find anything. For some reason, wikisocion would not pop up in my search.. The descriptions on sociotype.com were shitty and I could see myself fitting into both EII and IEI.. And I forgot mention Roman also typed me as ILI and LII before too.

Yeah he'd DM me like all the time saying he thought you were some different type (tbf he was a shit typist). Wikisocion is a weird one, I always had to specifically type in the url rather than searching for it as well although it's down now. Sociotype descriptions aren't great so yeah him sending you that certainly can't of helped.

[Braingel]

Yeah he'd DM me like all the time saying he thought you were some different type (tbf he was a shit typist). Wikisocion is a weird one, I always had to specifically type in the url rather than searching for it as well although it's down now. Sociotype descriptions aren't great so yeah him sending you that certainly can't of helped.

What made it ten times worse was my joining of Synthesis where I got typed ILE, IEE and EIE. I like Safsom now, but he had been the one to start EIE narrative, and he wrote a very lengthy analysis, would have been 3 pages worth of a word document, perhaps.. And that trapped me into EIE, and majority of the community listened to him merely because he was pointing out all these reasons he thought he saw. Pansophy and a user named mfckr kept me as an IEE despite (both thought I was ILE first though) and then Agora typed me ESE (flat out wrong).. And I just kept EII the whole time which no one typed me that really. Then, I finally met the SLE in person with an ILE and they both saw right away that I am an IEI, and then a few weeks later I happened online interact more with Stugg and he pointed out every single way I fit IEI, and then of course I saw my Te get trampled.

[Tim]

If I get away with an older IEI, I may be moving to the Deep South. @Tim

If it's more beta, I will probably have much easier time

I would say the more Southern it is, the more Beta (or at least, Fe valuing) it is. A big indicator of their Southernness is whether people in the area speak with a Southern accent.

You won't see a lick of Beta Southernness in anywhere that have huge transplant population of Illinoisans, Californians, and New Yorkers. I've seen wherever transplants settled, the less Beta (and less Fe valuing) it gets. I would also like to state that you would be in for a culture shock if you leave the transplant bubble. I have encounter Californian transplants who came here, look down of people here, and then complain about how different it is.

[Tim]

Southern Culture of Honor = Beta ST

https://boblane.com/2014/02/03/culture-of-honour/
https://www.artofmanliness.com/artic...merican-south/

Emotional Response to an Insult between Northern and Southern Subjects:
cultures-of-honor.jpg

[peteronfireee2]

I would say the more Southern it is, the more Beta (or at least, Fe valuing) it is. A big indicator of their Southernness is whether people in the area speak with a Southern accent.

You won't see a lick of Beta Southernness in anywhere that have huge transplant population of Illinoisans, Californians, and New Yorkers. I've seen wherever transplants settled, the less Beta (and less Fe valuing) it gets. I would also like to state that you would be in for a culture shock if you leave the transplant bubble. I have encounter Californian transplants who came here, look down of people here, and then complain about how different it is.

@Tim that's funny, I theorized the same.

[QamsX]

I honestly have the theory that people type @DEAD as SEE as opposed to SLE because of the mentality that "exceptions to the rules means an entire different set of rules", as opposed to acknowledging it for what it is: that certain behaviors are exceptions to the rules as opposed to an entire set of paradigms and dogmas.

Also: I honestly can't see DEAD as SEE, you guys (not everyone but I know certain cases) just trust anyone on the internet and think that they're Fi because they're partially agreeable, but then again that's a self-perception of the object as opposed to the properties of the object on itself (I'm mostly referring to people typing DEAD as SEE because they find him agreeable, but is he really, or do you just see him that way? LOL). I just can't warp my head around some arguments that justify SEE... that can't be explained with the SLE archetype's properties or subtypes, arguments that aren't even that breaking-point significant in order to change the sociotype entirely.

[DEAD]

I was raised by an ESE, and my father is probably LSE sp8. I I the IEI2Fe, which is ESE pseudo type, and so I sort of value Si a bit more than would typical IEI.. By Is and Se being "boosted". It can affect your subtype. @DEAD

Yeah, I can see how my upbringing has impacted my subtype, and what shows through. If you're from a different quadra to your parents, I think it makes sense that you end up having to adapt in a way to survive and make it out the other side.

@Tim - Fair enough. I think that because of the culture here, there is heavily Te focused, I don't get to find many like-minded people. When I went to Spain, it was so much more relaxed and it was a lot better. I know that America is very different from here, and so is the South of Ireland. I think that when I say I don't "care" about the atmosphere, it's more that I don't care about it on a high level (as a priority) or put much conscious thought into it outside the appropriate social spheres and areas. I can do it if I want to, I'm just not always engaged.

@QamsX - I don't think I actually use that much Fi and heavy usage of it genuinely makes me uncomfortable. Every argument for SEE I get just ends up being high Se and high Te (or Te HA). No one actually elaborates or breaks down the rest of the functional usage. They don't break down how/why they actually see creative Fi, as far as things go, outside the stereotypical "oh DEAD has opinions" speel. Everyone has opinions. Some choose to voice them, and some don't, but at the end of the day, it's the motivation behind the opinions and the content of the opinions and how they are formed/categorised that matters. I think that stereotypes can only tell so much of the story, but the rest of it requires research and digging to find continuity of the type and best fit to see if it makes sense.

You know? I've been typed EIE as well, and honestly, right off the bat you can see that I'm not one. Even comparing myself to you and the topics we talk about, and how we present ourselves, you can very clearly see that I do not have 4D Fe, unvalued or not.

[QamsX]

@QamsX - I don't think I actually use that much Fi and heavy usage of it genuinely makes me uncomfortable. Every argument for SEE I get just ends up being high Se and high Te (or Te HA). No one actually elaborates or breaks down the rest of the functional usage. They don't break down how/why they actually see creative Fi, as far as things go, outside the stereotypical "oh DEAD has opinions" speel. Everyone has opinions. Some choose to voice them, and some don't, but at the end of the day, it's the motivation behind the opinions and the content of the opinions and how they are formed/categorised that matters. I think that stereotypes can only tell so much of the story, but the rest of it requires research and digging to find continuity of the type and best fit to see if it makes sense.

You know? I've been typed EIE as well, and honestly, right off the bat you can see that I'm not one. Even comparing myself to you and the topics we talk about, and how we present ourselves, you can very clearly see that I do not have 4D Fe, unvalued or not.

High Se and High Te... that's the definition of SLE and LSE having 4D of these haha. Also that EIE typing is super mega coconuts because on one hand, people think you're SEE because of some troll-ish unvalued Fe as opposed to Beta who has more active usage of Fe... then you're also typed EIE because of valued and active usage of Fe... I think the reason people don't reach a consensus it's because they don't listen to themselves while they speak

[Braingel]

I would say the more Southern it is, the more Beta (or at least, Fe valuing) it is. A big indicator of their Southernness is whether people in the area speak with a Southern accent.

You won't see a lick of Beta Southernness in anywhere that have huge transplant population of Illinoisans, Californians, and New Yorkers. I've seen wherever transplants settled, the less Beta (and less Fe valuing) it gets. I would also like to state that you would be in for a culture shock if you leave the transplant bubble. I have encounter Californian transplants who came here, look down of people here, and then complain about how different it is.

That probably is evidence that most the people here in Cali are gamma if anything.. I think SEE is image type of CA, followed by IEE and LSE. It is no wonder why America gets touted as SEE country, when CA is most populated and has majority of the media influence with LA. The SEE and IEE may be more like to explore other parts of state and live there as well, with an extroverted perceiving wanting perceive outside of it more.

[Beautiful sky]

That probably is evidence that most the people here in Cali are gamma if anything.. I think SEE is image type of CA, followed by IEE and LSE. It is no wonder why America gets touted as SEE country, when CA is most populated and has majority of the media influence with LA. The SEE and IEE may be more like to explore other parts of state and live there as well, with an extroverted perceiving wanting perceive outside of it more.

Where in Cali??? Oh wow wanna have a meet up?

The EII and IEI are in their apartments lol

[Braingel]

Where in Cali??? Oh wow wanna have a meet up?

The EII and IEI are in their apartments lol

I am in Orange County.

[Poptart]

I’m down for a Southern California meet up lol

[Tim]

@BandD I was reading my old message between Joy and I a few years ago when she banned me from her Facebook group. I actually think LSE is a good typing for her. She definitely is Ni PoLR and Se demonstrative. And if she was an Alpha SF, she would be concerned about the emotional atmosphere but instead she is concerned about the logic of action (Te/Fi traits). She might listen to my reasoning if she was Alpha SF. I see unvalued Ni, Se, and Ti and definitely valued Te. She is definitely a logical type from my message. Delta ST for Joy Bott's type. You're right on for your analysis.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Thanks @Tim. I'm no thinking type or anything but yeah I'm confident about Joy being a LSE.

[MissDucki]

Low key questioning if I am an ESE right now. Usually have a type identity crisis ever so often to keep it fun~ I don’t think so. I am too introverted and I keep to myself too much. Plus I don’t know how to confidently harmonize a room like an ESE. I come across hella Fe and as strong as a Fe base based on pics supposedly. However if there is any objection I am willing to hear it. Feedback is feedback.

[QamsX]

Pictures can usually have a give away of certain tendencies, but vague ones. (Beta NF, Alpha SF, etc.) rather than a concrete sociotype tbh!

[chriscorey]

Low key questioning if I am an ESE right now. Usually have a type identity crisis ever so often to keep it fun~ I don’t think so. I am too introverted and I keep to myself too much. Plus I don’t know how to confidently harmonize a room like an ESE. I come across hella Fe and as strong as a Fe base based on pics supposedly. However if there is any objection I am willing to hear it. Feedback is feedback.

You don't seem like ESE to me. You seem SEI. I think if you were ESE, you might post less here.

[aixelsyd]

Low key questioning if I am an ESE right now. Usually have a type identity crisis ever so often to keep it fun~ I don’t think so. I am too introverted and I keep to myself too much. Plus I don’t know how to confidently harmonize a room like an ESE. I come across hella Fe and as strong as a Fe base based on pics supposedly. However if there is any objection I am willing to hear it. Feedback is feedback.

Type identity crises can be fun. It helps me open myself up to what the world might look like through other people's eyes of a different type.

That said, you kind of vibe like an Fe-SEI I used to work with. We had some pretty good conversations, too.

[aixelsyd]

My sedecology is testimonial to how everyone tried enforce me as EIE:https://www.sedecology.com/subjects/8530

And then other people pushed me as IEE, bit they were not as forceful about it, but pretty firmly stuck, aside from esoteric/pansophy.

The only person who ever was able to catch me as an IEI prior to my meeting Ashton Martin (and Choppy) irl and me interacting with Stugg, is Bruh Bear. Goth opined I am introverted, but she never said anything else past that and never officially typed me.
For months I was typed IEE and EIE by community, and I had EII with alternative IEE for a long while. Only Brush Bear was the one to from beginning have me down as an IEI.

You VI very much like a number of IEIs I know.

[ContractedCriminalboy]

Low key questioning if I am an ESE right now. Usually have a type identity crisis ever so often to keep it fun~ I don’t think so. I am too introverted and I keep to myself too much. Plus I don’t know how to confidently harmonize a room like an ESE. I come across hella Fe and as strong as a Fe base based on pics supposedly. However if there is any objection I am willing to hear it. Feedback is feedback.

A good way to tell between two types to see which you are is not to look at the strong functions but rather the weak functions, specifically the polr which hits Iike a truck when a leading type of that function criticizes you on it and starts supervising.

Honesty my Fe polr and relations with ESEs is all I need to know I'm SLI. No other type can be regarded my supervisor and nothing else slam dunks on my ego like Fe criticism.

So hang out with someone like @Braingel or @Adam Strange in person, see who sets you off.

[myresearch]

A good way to tell between two types to see which you are is not to look at the strong functions but rather the weak functions, specifically the polr which hits Iike a truck when a leading type of that function criticizes you on it and starts supervising.

Honesty my Fe polr and relations with ESEs is all I need to know I'm SLI. No other type can be regarded my supervisor and nothing else slam dunks on my ego like Fe criticism.

So hang out with someone like @Braingel or @Adam Strange in person, see who sets you off.

Your supervisor doesn't necessarily has to set you off. Based on type descriptions, any ITR except duality creates a psychosis, this is either far-fetched or since we are getting psychosis most of the time, it doesn't affect us much.

Ofcourse you can feel criticized by supervisor, but this doesn't have to happen immediately. Besides, you can also have mutual understanding due to shared cognition styles.

@MissDucki, I hope you are ESE, so this forum finally can live up to its name. I don't know any ESEs in depth so I can't say much right now. Waiting for other people's analysis

To me, you seem more emotionally vibrant than other SEIs on this forum. However, there are also other IEIs that are more emotionally vibrant and I think their self-typing is true.

I also don't think VI'ing a photo doesn't lead to solid conclusion since you can't see how other person moves or talks.

Are you ok with making typing video btw?