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    Quote Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky View Post
    I had a job before in which they decided to trade my main duties for programming instead. I hated it. There was only so many hours a day I could endure that mode of thinking before I'd probably go bananas just because it is so limited and leftbrained. I need wholebrained work. I did take an LSEs code before and condensed like 30+ lines into 4 but I'm not sure my efficiency would be rewarded in the long run as the code underwent future modifications. Most jobs honestly feel too stifling and if one wants me to be assertive and gung ho with data and charts and programming, that about takes the cake for SEI career suicide.

    Most medical is not true SEI so doesn't count. I knew an ESE nurse for example who confessed he hated giving shots because he was naturally so squeamish but he just endures it through practice. Other types get to use their strengths without such massive concessions on a daily basis.

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    & caregivers in my state make about minimum wage. Not my cup of tea either.

    My body is too sensitive to weather extremes and seasonal allergies for any outdoor work. Cleaning is mindless and disgusting. I hate cleaning after anyone.
    Coding isn't just left-brained. Efficiency comes through seeing patterns and developing novel solutions. Coding uses just as much Te as it does Ne. If it didn't, then why would the hiring processes at places like Google or Amazon be so rigorous? It's because they need to see that you can think both linearly and nonlinearly.

    Efficiency never goes unrewarded since that's the whole point of checking code. If you can solve a problem in 10 lines which takes another person 40 lines, then you won't be unrewarded for that unless the company is masochistic or unless your solution is far too narrow.

    What about legal work? Is it to "left-brained"? Any lucrative career will require a substantiate amount of left-brainedness since otherwise it would be unreliable or unstructured. However, those same careers require nonlinear thinking and creativity since otherwise anyone would be able to do them.

    Seems like you're against almost any job that pays well. I can only say that this is your own fault since you aren't willing to adapt to the market like others do.

    I agree that SEIs have it rough compared to other types that find these careers more palatable but that doesn't excuse you from pulling yourself together and getting something done for the sake of money. It's something that everyone has to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FarDraft View Post
    Coding isn't just left-brained. Efficiency comes through seeing patterns and developing novel solutions. Coding uses just as much Te as it does Ne. If it didn't, then why would the hiring processes at places like Google or Amazon be so rigorous? It's because they need to see that you can think both linearly and nonlinearly.

    Efficiency never goes unrewarded since that's the whole point of checking code. If you can solve a problem in 10 lines which takes another person 40 lines, then you won't be unrewarded for that unless the company is masochistic or unless your solution is far too narrow.

    What about legal work? Is it to "left-brained"? Any lucrative career will require a substantiate amount of left-brainedness since otherwise it would be unreliable or unstructured. However, those same careers require nonlinear thinking and creativity since otherwise anyone would be able to do them.

    Seems like you're against almost any job that pays well. I can only say that this is your own fault since you aren't willing to adapt to the market like others do.
    Oh I adapted again. I am making more now than ever but doubling it would be ideal. Then I'd be in the top 30%. My Fe is unused at my job though aside from fraternizing with some alpha NTs and an IEI there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky View Post
    Oh I adapted again. I am making more now than ever but doubling it would be ideal. Then I'd be in the top 30%. My Fe is unused at my job though aside from fraternizing with some alpha NTs and an IEI there.
    Good for you. You strive in areas us ILIs can only dream of striving in so everyone has to adapt to some things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky View Post
    Jobs that would be cool if they were lucrative too and accessible:

    Music production
    Dance
    DJ who actually selects their own music
    Aesthetic Buyer (jobs are never hardly ever advertised)
    Creative Merchandiser & Layout Specialist (not the usual preplanned stuff one just implements)
    Perfume Sales
    Fine Gift Sales (where aggression is discouraged!)
    Art Gallery Owner, Curator
    Museum Exhibit Designer
    Graphic Artist
    Photographic/Image processing work
    Puppeteer
    Animation Voiceover
    Color Consultant
    Aesthetic Consultant
    Ok I am out of ideas
    With talent (first and foremost) and motivation, to pursue the things you listed, most of these are accessible and a few can be very lucrative. Not sure how lucrative being a puppeteer really is these days. Jim Henson is the only name that comes to mind as one who made it into something very lucrative by working his way up. It also depends on where you live. If you live in the middle of nowhere some of these won't be an option. It is like those girls who want to model, then do it for a mall where they are praised for their modeling by people who don't have the experience to judge modeling potential. Some will move to a city and find out they are not cut out for it so will make the best of it and do something else or they go back home. Others will make enough money to continue living in a big city and pay their own bills, still others will be in higher demand and travel the world.

    If you are talented at making jewelry then you work on finding buyers. My cousin is good at making jewelry and clothes but not business minded so she works for someone else (the furniture is higher end but she is on salary now). At first it might be small shops and they won't give you much space. If it sells well then you can expand. If you are a great makeup artist you can do some work for free to get your name out there or work for someone else, building your reputation, until you can afford to start your own business after building a client base. Being successful in most of the fields takes hard work and networking skills to get your name out there and make a decent income. Some types are just better at it than others but if talented and determined enough you can rise to the top of your field.

    I don't know about the fine gift thing... when buying fine gifts I have never felt aggression from the salespeople. Usually the opposite, they try to put you in a relaxed mood to lull you into buying, since they often work on commission and high pressure doesn't suit the overall atmosphere of a fine gift store. Buying a car is a whole different story and I take someone with me to run interference while I think about the options.

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    Any job that is suitable for expressing Fe (because with any type, it is the creative function that has to be expressed the most for hreatest success). My SEI gf is office manager, and apparently good at her work: making sure everyone one has what they need, and deliver it in a pleasant way. She gets to organize events just as well, and is appreciated for it.
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    Nah some say that coding is Ni – flowing data packets. That would require lots of role for SEI, I know ILE who absolutely despises coding [just writes regular commands to get things done] and some ILE's might just use it for efficiency reasons as a tool or for novelty. I suppose long winded code is probably what LSE's comes up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaqen View Post
    Its the dawning of the age of Aquarius man, and we just like need more artists and musicians and world peace and like everyone should just get along, because we live in a Paradise on Earth, man, and like the political system is designed to keep you down, man, and like if we only just elect the right party there will be like, perfect Utopia on Earth. Screw the system, make your own system. Teachers should be paid more and CEOs should be paid less and like, let's just make more movies and theatre and everything and everybody will be alright. And perfect.
    Ummh... Nice to read, some of your creative writing. But there isn't such an easy solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Ummh... Nice to read, some of your creative writing. But there isn't such an easy solution.
    This is what I see when I blur my eyes and look at you guys, a bit like an impressionist painting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarDraft View Post
    Good for you. You strive in areas us ILIs can only dream of striving in so everyone has to adapt to some things.
    It is the technical field I have the most experience in and thankfully not IT. Still, I find it hard not to fall asleep given how mundane and utterly boring my present tasks are. *gasp* Not that I would really fall asleep, but I am definitely dragging at the moment due to lack of interest. Fortunately the finished product is not urgent.
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    @Jaqen
    I'm under the impression you overgeneralize.
    My philosophy and world view is very complex. I simply can't explain it in just a few sentences... and I don't have much in common with a Hippie.
    But for short: I think that neither Communism nor Capitalism are good economical and social systems.

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    I'm still wondering what an SEI could do that would be on par with say an engineer's salary. Something that you can work your way into rather than having a lengthy expensive education. I don't know how ESIs are able to command so much money in similar circumstances just by being themselves. There's something I'm missing here.
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    The important thing here is a location. The engineer's salary seems much higher in the US than here....
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    If you want a lucrative job as a SEI then you can't work in your strong functions. So you have to give up that requirement.

    There are always exceptions, like talented artists etc. but those are really exceptions.

    I know SEI translators who make a good salary doing that. But translating is free from Si so it gets boring fast and makes the SEI neurotic.

    Marry a rich Alpha NT and stay at home
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    Translasting/linguistic stuff is really something where dialectical algorithmic type should thrive.

    As I was talking with another causal deterministic type (LSI) we just concluded that we do not give a damn about grammar rules at school and we both even said that it was like filling in a lottery coupon due to lack of motivation which we temporarily fixed at final examinations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Translasting/linguistic stuff is really something where dialectical algorithmic type should thrive.
    There are SEIs in this field, and I have linguistic degree myself, but how interesting is it to work with something with zero . Not fun. That's like an ILE working with something were he cannot have ideas/big picture. Or a LII who is not allowed to think.
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    Ummm... I see as I would not have problems completing the most inane and boring engineering or science program. That stuff is easy figure out or at least to hang in there. Working in highly standardized measurement field is another matter... but as I am open to not cash in my expertise or stabilize my life I can work for something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Translasting/linguistic stuff is really something where dialectical algorithmic type should thrive.
    I have one word and you know what that is ......








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    I have diagnosed him being part of casual deterministic master race. Lots of LSE's know they grammar even on the fly.
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    What do you guys think about the SEI suitability of being a liaison between technical professionals sort of like customer service? I am thinking of a position that has detailed Si work of some kind plus the role of Fe harmonizing relationships among departments.

    I was sort of in this role before when I was doing quality assurance work too long ago. I interfaced between departments of the same corporation in a way that was conflict-free and very gratifying to occasionally reach out to the same large pool of associates one to one as need to resolve conceptual and technical issues together. It felt very neighborly and warm positive friendly feelings were there. It was a peaceful collaborative fellowship urging each other on toward excellence. I bet most were T types compatible with my type of some level.

    I didn't stay in that position beyond a few years before getting promoted there into something different. I wonder if I can get back to something like that again somehow.
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    Organ grinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cody View Post
    Organ grinder.
    In the US it is only legal in Nevada.

    I am sure you didn't mean it the way I took it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    In the US it is only legal in Nevada.

    I am sure you didn't mean it the way I took it.
    lol

    I was referring to this:






    can you guess his type?


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    Right sensing types: SEE, SEI, LSE, LSI - groups of concrete processes

    The most detail-oriented types who often have a superior ability in precise handwork. Such orientation leads them to assimilate information in small doses, as if in form of crumbs. The group includes managers and socialites who concern for the good of specific individuals. Their style of management is socially-oriented. The nature of this group carries elements of social justice and charity. SEI and LSE due to their innate nurturing capacity provide social assistance directly, while SEE and LSI promote and control charitable donations, subsidies and scarce resources.
    I think Gulenko labels SEI as most famine types (with EII, SEE, EIE) in contrast to their respective mirrors who are towards masculine end of feminine spectrum and they also collect lots of information.

    Right ethical types: EII, EIE, SEE, SEI - most feminine types, right process and ethical disposition are united within them

    They maintain that which has been established and is traditionally accepted. At times they fix new, more unusual customs if prompted. They operate at the intersection of social and humanitarian spheres - mass ideology, advertising companies, show business.

    SEE and EIE are advertisers, propagandists, entertainers, show agents. EII and SEI prompt movement towards new stereotypes.

    Right introverts: LSI, EII, ILI, SEI - accumulators of information

    ILI accumulates scientific or philosophical information, LSI accumulates operational or managerial information (both of these types make for the best collectors), EII - humanitarian information, SEI - social information (prices, services, events and holidays). They suffer from lack of energy. Specialize in informatics of large groups.

    LSI and SEI engage in solving immediate concrete problems at work or at home. ILI and EII cooperate on basis of philosophical, scientific, and spiritual topics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cody View Post

    can you guess his type?

    Had to look up the image. I can take a wild guess. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    I think Gulenko labels SEI as most famine types (with EII, SEE, EIE) in contrast to their respective mirrors who are towards masculine end of feminine spectrum and they also collect lots of information.
    Maybe we can start a gofundme to feed them?



    The thing you said about ESE reminded me of my sister. She is always getting get rich quick ideas or getting sucked into them. We walk a thin line of letting her learn a lesson and saving her from herself. She is till young though so we err on allowing her to learn the lessons and not stifling her with warnings (she gets annoyed by them) unless it involves a large investment or impacts our family.

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    My dentist is a SEI and I'm sure she makes a lot of money. I also know a SEI working as nurse in a private clinic with a good salary. Why would you need so much money anyway? All the SEIs I've known are super thrifty

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    I could see an SEI in psychology.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology

    An optimist - does not get discouraged under any circumstances. Life upheavals and stressful events only toughen him and make more confident. He likes to laugh and entertain people. Enters contact with someone by involving him with a humorous remark. His humor is often sly and contain hints and double meanings. Easily enters into arguments and bets, especially if he is challenged. When arguing his points is often ironic, ridicules the views of his opponent. His irritability and hot temper may be unpleasant to others. However, he himself is not perceptive of this and believes that he is simply exchanging opinions.

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    There was another, more recent thread like this that I can't seem to find.

    A list so that anyone looking for information could be redirected here, maybe?:

    HEALTH
    nutritionist/dietitian
    dermatologist
    chiropractor
    physical therapist
    speech therapist
    optician
    dentist


    SOCIAL
    Degree in tourism and travel/hotel management/hospitality
    tour guide
    event planner
    public relations
    translator and interpreter
    foreign language teacher
    literature/arts/music teacher
    anthropologist
    services administration
    marketing
    text edition


    IMAGE AND SOUND
    landscaping
    interior design/ decorator
    graphic design
    fashion designer/tailor
    sound engineering
    film edition
    multimedia production
    art curator
    art therapist
    artistic/professional makeup artist
    forensic graphologist

    OTHER
    alternative medicine therapist
    veterinarian
    urban planner
    architect
    health and safety technician
    chef (sei in hot restaurant kitchen for hours? ok…)

    I primarly focused on the heavy sensing ones and traditional spheres of interest for the sociotype, but who’s to stop anyone if they want to be a certified pilot? A poster mentioned an SEI with a degree in chemistry, so there.
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    Depending on intellect and motivation, they can turn their hand to almost anything, but I've met many who were truly unhappy mostly because of the people with whom they were forced to associate. They seemed to enjoy jobs that drew from central databases or bodies of knowledge that were somewhat static or predictable in nature. They also seemed to prefer jobs where they could set their own goals without having to provide exact plans. Like SLIs, they seemed to be at their best when winging it; ironically, they often have trouble thinking outside the box. The ones that I've known tended to be masterful more than innovative....

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    One SEI colleague is a technical writer. She is very thorough in her work and pays attention to details.

    A SEI-Fe friend of mine is a writer. She is successful enough to be able to make a living out of her published books. Interestingly, she never revealed her author name so I never got to read them. I suppose this is due to humility rather than intertype conflict
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    How about languages? I am a SEI and I've always been told I am good with those. Generally writing and art-related stuff was also my favourite thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleblackcloud View Post
    How about languages? I am a SEI and I've always been told I am good with those. Generally writing and art-related stuff was also my favourite thing to do.
    I went for a career in languages. Got my degree and worked awhile as a translator. I also did some teaching. Didnt like it and quit. Zero Si in languges. Felt like a constant uphill battle. Some SEIs work in that field though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    I went for a career in languages. Got my degree and worked awhile as a translator. I also did some teaching. Didnt like it and quit. Zero Si in languges. Felt like a constant uphill battle. Some SEIs work in that field though.
    Quote Originally Posted by littleblackcloud View Post
    How about languages? I am a SEI and I've always been told I am good with those. Generally writing and art-related stuff was also my favourite thing to do.
    I want to add that I have also been told that I am good at writing. It's probably the creative Fe. But to work in that field is another story where a lot of other things come into play. People should generally try to work in their base function. But for SEIs it can be very hard to find a job like that.
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    How is SEI as a counselor? Anyone has any experience?

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    The majority of the SEIs I know are artists of some sort. I know one SEI guy who is a car mechanic and also a baker. I also have an SEI uncle who used to be a welder. One coworker has been a technical writer. Have known at least 3 female SEI teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COVID 007 View Post
    Nah some say that coding is Ni – flowing data packets. That would require lots of role for SEI, I know ILE who absolutely despises coding [just writes regular commands to get things done] and some ILE's might just use it for efficiency reasons as a tool or for novelty. I suppose long winded code is probably what LSE's comes up with.
    In the alpha environment where I'm currently in, all the SEIs are programmers and all the programmers are SEI ... I thought it was some D-A thinking thing. All these if / else statements They do creative coding mostly or for some artistic purpose, but that's just the output... it doesn't change the fact that you need pretty advanced coding skills at some point for doing this professionally.

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    My SEI is practicing to be a masseuse, which seems very stereotypically Si-Fe to me

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