Type this guy I know

[Kim]

Polite, quiet, honorable, courteous, quiet, does not do small talk, does not do any sort of "superfluous" talk, self-sufficient, solid, stoic, expressive when something needs to be said, but not gushy (when he has said it once, it stands until otherwise noted).

Thanks gang

[Beautiful sky]

Hi Kim

You either have an introverted LSE
An extroverted EII
Or An SLI

Some LSE can be short spoken and quiet which makes them look EII but their movements will tell you if he’s EII or LSE. LSE have nervous energy, sudden movements where EII are soft movements

[Kim]

Hi Maritsa! <3

Thank you for the input! EII has not occurred to me - what makes you think that's a possibility??

[cR4z3DRATrEb0rN]

Polite, quiet, honorable, courteous, quiet, does not do small talk, does not do any sort of "superfluous" talk, enjoys talking about history, politics, current events (of the non-gossip sort), extremely well-informed about the above, considers opposing viewpoints, likes to read and write, enjoys horror, Lovecraft, videogames, punk rock, smoker, not concerned with comfort (dinner will cook, but we get wrapped up in a conversation and the steaks burn, for example), but does his best to look after people (not always successful), does not always follow through on agreements because he gets wrapped up in other things (work mostly), intensely focused on whatever he is doing, ambitious, but not cut-throat, long military career, but plans to work in a low-intensity outdoor career after retirement, laid back, happy to leave others in charge (which might be a way of offsetting the responsibilities of his job where he is always in charge and responsible of people), self-sufficient, solid, stoic, expressive when something needs to be said, but not gushy (when he has said it once, it stands until otherwise noted), very much into intense workouts (partly work related, but enjoys it), very fit, but for the sake of experiencing the intensity of the workout and the practicality of being fit, not for looks, does not care about others' opinion, somewhat reckless with himself, humanitarian, quiet leader in his job, laid back friend outside of it, does not talk about himself on his own accord unless prompted (in which case he is pretty open).

Thanks gang!

Sounds like a closeted white supremacist ... perfect match

[Beautiful sky]

Hi Maritsa! <3

Thank you for the input! EII has not occurred to me - what makes you think that's a possibility??

Quiet and doesn’t talk much lol

[Number 9 large]

introverted LSE

[Kim]

Quiet and doesn’t talk much lol

I think in that regard he is more SLI-ish - quiet until he feels comfortable and then talks up a storm.

[Beautiful sky]

I think in that regard he is more SLI-ish - quiet until he feels comfortable and then talks up a storm.

Yes he is

[Rebelondeck]

I would say SLI except for two points (which are more Ij-like): SLIs tend to brag about their abilities and accomplishments although this could be done in an indirect fashion; and SLIs do really care about what others say although they'll often say that they don't. SLIs can also harbour some deep-rooted anger or indignation toward the very people to whom they are being magnanimous........

a.k.a. I/O

[Beautiful sky]

I think in that regard he is more SLI-ish - quiet until he feels comfortable and then talks up a storm.

You know you can always skip the guesswork by sending me profile pictures for VI

[MrsTortilla]

You know you can always skip the guesswork by sending me profile pictures for VI

Curious: Where did you learn to VI? What method(s) do you use? How do you know they are accurate?

(This is not an attack. I would love to know.)

[Beautiful sky]

Curious: Where did you learn to VI? What method(s) do you use? How do you know they are accurate?

(This is not an attack. I would love to know.)

I learned it from an INTJ friend who learned it from Antonina Volkova a student /confidant/friend of Filatova. I was in contact with Antonia many years and obtained some interesting books on VI and Socionics that are written in Russia from her. She and I and the INTJ and I collaborate on typings as a group effort until Antonina died a few years ago. As for accuracy I kept notes of “type indicators” and I will cross check them with the person’s own final typing

[MrsTortilla]

I learned it from an INTJ friend who learned it from Antonina Volkova a student /confidant/friend of Filatova. I was in contact with Antonia many years and obtained some interesting books on VI and Socionics that are written in Russia from her. She and I and the INTJ and I collaborate on typings as a group effort until Antonina died a few years ago. As for accuracy I kept notes of “type indicators” and I will cross check them with the person’s own final typing

That is interesting. Glad you do cross-check them with the person's own typing (as I probably don't need to tell you that even with all of that, the methods still aren't necessarily proven fact as of yet).

[Moou]

Sounds like a closeted white supremacist ... perfect match

Why is he banned?

[Number 9 large]

That is interesting. Glad you do cross-check them with the person's own typing (as I probably don't need to tell you that even with all of that, the methods still aren't necessarily proven fact as of yet).

none of enneagram or socionics theory is proven fact. its a theory

[MrsTortilla]

none of enneagram or socionics theory is proven fact. its a theory

Truer words were never spoken.
Edit: On the other hand, a lot of people on this forum behave as if they don't know this at all...

[ooo]

http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Photographs_of_Types_by_Filatova#S LI_.2F_ISTp

About Filatova's portraits - from Wikisocion:

It should be noted that Ekaterina Filatova did not use visual identification ("V.I.") to diagnose types. She relied on questionnaires and interviews to establish socionics types and later began to notice similarities between people of the same type, which she tried to capture in her type photo albums.

Who are the people in the pictures? from Socioniko.net:

Visitors of our site often ask us whether the people whose pictures are placed together with type descriptions have been “typed” correctly. OK, we answer.

These portraits have been photographed by Yekaterina S. Filatova, a socionist from St. Petersburg, since 1991. She gave us her permission to place some of her pictures at our site. She did not use any “visual identification” methods – she is rather much critical towards such methods, and never wants to “type” pictures which some people send to her. On the contrary, she first determined the type of the person (by interviewing, in course of long contacts, etc.) and only then, when this person expressed his/her agreement with the type description and his/her permission for being photographed, she made his/her pictures in several standard perspectives (which allowed comparing pictures of different people with each other).

[Sol]

It should be noted that Ekaterina Filatova did not use visual identification ("V.I.") to diagnose types.

As she described VI in her books, it's evident that she used VI as one of methods to identify the types.
Use common logics, instead of links to nonsense.

[Park]

I would say SLI except for two points (which are more Ij-like): SLIs tend to brag about their abilities and accomplishments although this could be done in an indirect fashion; and SLIs do really care about what others say although they'll often say that they don't. SLIs can also harbour some deep-rooted anger or indignation toward the very people to whom they are being magnanimous........

a.k.a. I/O

Are you saying SLIs are passive-aggressive narcissists?

[Beautiful sky]

Sounds LSE

[Rebelondeck]

Are you saying SLIs are passive-aggressive narcissists?

SLIs tend to be defensively deadly and often metaphorically use a sledgehammer to drive a tack; passive isn't normally in their nature but retribution definitely can be. Narcissistic is an adjective that I associate more with Ni-types. SLIs tend to be conspiracy theorists, some of whom have been known to live very cloistered and suspicious existences (the degree of paranoia varies greatly).......

a.k.a. I/O

Edit: SLIs typically brag as a warning or to prove something in order to head off a perceived threat.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...iption-by-I-O?

[Kim]

Hm, he doesn't really brag, but then he doesn't really need to because he has been in the military for a long time and in the U.S., that alone gives a certain status? But I do think he is generally humble - if he did something heroic, he wouldn't want anyone to know. He is also quite open about times during which he failed at something. Re: narcissism, he can be self-absorbed, but is not narcissistic. I stay the hell away from narcissists...

I agree that SLIs care about what other people think of them (maybe Fe PoLR insecurities?). How about LSEs? Do they care? What are they like when they get to know a person? I only have one LSE friend and she is uber extroverted, so she does not compare...

[Adam Strange]

Hm, he doesn't really brag, but then he doesn't really need to because he has been in the military for a long time and in the U.S., that alone gives a certain status? But I do think he is generally humble - if he did something heroic, he wouldn't want anyone to know. He is also quite open about times during which he failed at something. Re: narcissism, he can be self-absorbed, but is not narcissistic. I stay the hell away from narcissists...

I agree that SLIs care about what other people think of them (maybe Fe PoLR insecurities?). How about LSEs? Do they care? What are they like when they get to know a person? I only have one LSE friend and she is uber extroverted, so she does not compare...

The LSE's that I know are a mixed bag when it comes to other people's opinions about them. They do, however, seem to want to look like respectable members of the community. But so too do SLI's.

From your description, the guy could be either SLI or LSE. At this point, I'd suggest either having him do a test or try to use VI. LSE's faces are blocky and SLI's tend to be more slender. When they move, LSE's look like linebackers and tend to go to fat, while SLI's tend to look more graceful, more like baseball players. Also, LSE's tend to look alert, mostly, while SLI's can have long moments when they look sleepy. These are just my biases, though. YMMV.

[Kim]

The LSE's that I know are a mixed bag when it comes to other people's opinions about them. They do, however, seem to want to look like respectable members of the community. But so too do SLI's.

From your description, the guy could be either SLI or LSE. At this point, I'd suggest either having him do a test or try to use VI. LSE's faces are blocky and SLI's tend to be more slender. When they move, LSE's look like linebackers and tend to go to fat, while SLI's tend to look more graceful, more like baseball players. Also, LSE's tend to look alert, mostly, while SLI's can have long moments when they look sleepy. These are just my biases, though. YMMV.

He does care about being perceived as respectable/honorable/honest. And based on the physical traits, he would be LSE...I realize I don't know much about LSEs...I know that SLIs get totally wrapped up in things they do and forget the world, but do LSEs do that, too?

[Adam Strange]

He does care about being perceived as respectable/honorable/honest. And based on the physical traits, he would be LSE...I realize I don't know much about LSEs...I know that SLIs get totally wrapped up in things they do and forget the world, but do LSEs do that, too?

LSE's typically have their home workshops in which they do projects, or they will change all the brake pads on their cars (usually more than one), but SLI's can do this, too, except for the home workshop. LSE's are going to come up for air from work regularly and goof off with their buddies, while SLI's, when they "come back" from their projects, hit their beds or hide out somewhere.

SLI's need a lot of alone time and basically hoard resources, which includes their time and money for retirement. LSE's take a more freewheeling view of life. Thinking about it, LSE's and SLI's are a lot alike on paper. When I see one, though, the difference is plain as day.

While both SLI's and LSE's want to be seen by their neighbors as being great guys, SLI's are actually great to their families, too (if being absent most of the time can be seen as being great), while LSE's can be dicks to their families. Again, this is just based on my personal experience. Not every LSE is going to be a dick to their family. But a lot of them are. When an LSE thinks they are right (which is most of the time), your voice doesn't matter.

Mother - LSE
Sister - LSE
Great friend, landlord worth about $10M - LSE
Brother in Law through LII sister - LSE
ex-wife's father - LSE
Guy I worked with who loved mechanical watches - LSE
Guy I work with who bought a home on golf course - LSE
Conservative Ex-husband of IEE sister-in-law - LSE
architect and ex-BF of IEI GF - LSE
2 Middle managers - LSE

Father - SLI
ex-wife - SLI
son - SLI
ex-BF of ESI I know - SLI
Father of ESI I know - SLI
Guy at work - SLI
Second guy at work - SLI
woman at work - SLI

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Hey @Kim.

Sounds like your dual, SLI. Sounds a lot like my IEE cousin's SLI-Si husband. (who she met after a really bad relationship with trying to be with a SLE lol)

I really do hope you're happy and that he makes you happy. Even tho we're from opposing quadras haha.

[Beautiful sky]

When an LSE thinks they are right (which is most of the time), your voice doesn't matter.

There are ways to make LSE recognize when they are wrong.

[Rebelondeck]

Hm, he doesn't really brag, but then he doesn't really need to because he has been in the military for a long time and in the U.S., that alone gives a certain status? But I do think he is generally humble - if he did something heroic, he wouldn't want anyone to know. He is also quite open about times during which he failed at something. Re: narcissism, he can be self-absorbed, but is not narcissistic. I stay the hell away from narcissists...

I agree that SLIs care about what other people think of them (maybe Fe PoLR insecurities?). How about LSEs? Do they care? What are they like when they get to know a person? I only have one LSE friend and she is uber extroverted, so she does not compare...

LSEs pay attention to what others say but not from a defensive perspective; they're more about control of the agenda and like LIEs, the best defence is usually an offence (note that I use the Oxford dictionary). Although SLIs like to win and will do their best to snuff out the opposition, they do tend to think of themselves as no better than others unlike many LSEs who tend to be more optimistic about their chances. SLIs tend to be underestimated while LSEs tend to appear more obvious: they play the field and or situate themselves up close and personal. Both types can be saints or sinners but most are somewhere in between.

a.k.a. I/O

[Kim]

LSE's typically have their home workshops in which they do projects, or they will change all the brake pads on their cars (usually more than one), but SLI's can do this, too, except for the home workshop. LSE's are going to come up for air from work regularly and goof off with their buddies, while SLI's, when they "come back" from their projects, hit their beds or hide out somewhere.

SLI's need a lot of alone time and basically hoard resources, which includes their time and money for retirement. LSE's take a more freewheeling view of life. Thinking about it, LSE's and SLI's are a lot alike on paper. When I see one, though, the difference is plain as day.

While both SLI's and LSE's want to be seen by their neighbors as being great guys, SLI's are actually great to their families, too (if being absent most of the time can be seen as being great), while LSE's can be dicks to their families. Again, this is just based on my personal experience. Not every LSE is going to be a dick to their family. But a lot of them are. When an LSE thinks they are right (which is most of the time), your voice doesn't matter.

Mother - LSE
Sister - LSE
Great friend, landlord worth about $10M - LSE
Brother in Law through LII sister - LSE
ex-wife's father - LSE
Guy I worked with who loved mechanical watches - LSE
Guy I work with who bought a home on golf course - LSE
Conservative Ex-husband of IEE sister-in-law - LSE
architect and ex-BF of IEI GF - LSE
2 Middle managers - LSE

Father - SLI
ex-wife - SLI
son - SLI
ex-BF of ESI I know - SLI
Father of ESI I know - SLI
Guy at work - SLI
Second guy at work - SLI
woman at work - SLI

Hm, he is certainly not a dick when disagreeing with me lol. We have pretty great conversations and actually disagree on a few things, but he is never condescending or a jerk (neither am I, let it be said! ). I think a lot of issues you see with SLIs an LSEs are manifestations of insecure specimen of the type...although my LSE friend is not at all insecure and her opinion is indeed the one that stands. We usually agree to disagree.

For an SLI, he would be suprisingly little concerned with comfort (food, sleep). As for resources, he knows he is set after he retires from the military AND is sure to get a job in the field he wants to go into, which I guess takes some of the pressure off? Maybe an sx/so SLI?

[Kim]

Hey @Kim.

Sounds like your dual, SLI. Sounds a lot like my IEE cousin's SLI-Si husband. (who she met after a really bad relationship with trying to be with a SLE lol)

I really do hope you're happy and that he makes you happy. Even tho we're from opposing quadras haha.

Awwwwww you will always be my dual from another quadra
Thank you! Any SLE on the horizon for you? They ARE sexy bitches, no doubt...

[Beautiful sky]

Hm, he is certainly not a dick when disagreeing with me lol. We have pretty great conversations and actually disagree on a few things, but he is never condescending or a jerk (neither am I, let it be said! ). I think a lot of issues you see with SLIs an LSEs are manifestations of insecure specimen of the type...although my LSE friend is not at all insecure and her opinion is indeed the one that stands. We usually agree to disagree.

For an SLI, he would be suprisingly little concerned with comfort (food, sleep). As for resources, he knows he is set after he retires from the military AND is sure to get a job in the field he wants to go into, which I guess takes some of the pressure off? Maybe an sx/so SLI?

All SLI are different in this regard. I know some SLI who have the money to live in a nice pad that looks very warm and many others who live in a crowded trucks but they find a way to have some comfort.

[Kim]

LSEs pay attention to what others say but not from a defensive perspective; they're more about control of the agenda and like LIEs, the best defence is usually an offence (note that I use the Oxford dictionary). Although SLIs like to win and will do their best to snuff out the opposition, they do tend to think of themselves as no better than others unlike many LSEs who tend to be more optimistic about their chances. SLIs tend to be underestimated while LSEs tend to appear more obvious: they play the field and or situate themselves up close and personal. Both types can be saints or sinners but most are somewhere in between.

a.k.a. I/O

I can see this.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Any SLE on the horizon for you? They ARE sexy bitches, no doubt...

Hmm not really. The guy I'm sort of in a relationship with now is very ILE not SLE. He's not that sexy to me yet (doesn't turn me off either but I guess it's something I could 'grow into') but he's very compassionate and protective of me. Which morally speaking are better qualities anyway. But both together would be perfectly awesome.

I hope you can forgive me for how I acted a few years ago. I was an asshole, no doubt.

[Kim]

Hmm not really. The guy I'm sort of in a relationship with now is very ILE not SLE. He's not that sexy to me yet (doesn't turn me off either but I guess it's something I could 'grow into') but he's very compassionate and protective of me. Which morally speaking are better qualities anyway. But both together would be perfectly awesome.

I hope you can forgive me for how I acted a few years ago. I was an asshole, no doubt.

<3 I don't really remember what went on. IEE ditzy brain to the rescue.

[Beautiful sky]

LSE can be quite short spoken until something about a relationship has bothered them and they need to get it off their chest or they need you to filter an idea for work/ creative potential