Ted Kaczynski - the unabomber

[Aster]

An LSI with particularly developed Ni. I understand the LII typings since he was obviously Ti-base IMO and he was more abstractly inclined than most LSI. His manifesto doesn't seem like something written by an irrational type, especially an Ni-base, and I think it's also evidence for Te-ignoring: he cared about being right in principle, but treated practical implementation as an afterthought/something he didn't care to pursue much. So I don't think ILI is possible.

I don't think my reasons for preferring LSI to LII are very convincing. They come down to an impression of his manifesto and to some extent his demeanor, but it's difficult to find words for this.

interesting. I haven’t read his manifesto, only heard about through others and what I read about it. Am going to have to read it and come back. But LSI with well developed Ni makes the most sense from what I already know.

[timber]

This is not the thinking of an Se vulnerable type.

This is something I would have written or thought. Nobody seems to have the courage to give their real motivations. It seems more possibly people are not even aware they have other motivations for their activities besides the ones they have convinced themselves for, or are given to them by outside sources.

[Aster]

We should send the unabomber a socionics test in the mail. I wonder if he’d send it back.

Worth a shot

Any Volunteers?

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

We should send the unabomber a socionics test in the mail. I wonder if he’d send it back.

Worth a shot

Any Volunteers?

how do i do this

[Aster]

how do i do this

He was just moved here the end of December lol
(https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews...ility-81920908)

and some good advice here in this first comment (https://www.quora.com/If-I-want-to-w...prison-could-I)- basically don’t write anything that would disturb him in anyway or be of a too controversial or disturbing matter, it might not get through lol



(And if you do it, @VewyScawwyNawcissist, good luck, comrade )

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

He was just moved here the end of December lol
(https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews...ility-81920908)

and some good advice here in this first comment (https://www.quora.com/If-I-want-to-w...prison-could-I)- basically don’t write anything that would disturb him in anyway or be of a too controversial or disturbing matter, it might not get through lol



(And if you do it, @VewyScawwyNawcissist, good luck, comrade )

i thought u meant email and was somewhat confused. now even more

[Aster]

i thought u meant email and was somewhat confused. now even more

I’m not sure if inmates, especially at his security level, can recieve emails. It seems to me it would prob be a pretty big security risk. I think you have to send a letter the old fashioned way, though the mail, (and it’s checked and looked through first to see if it’s appropriate and no funny business). He was recently moved to “U.S. Bureau of Prison's FMC Butner medical center in eastern North Carolina on Dec. 14, according to bureau spokesperson Donald Murphy.” so when I looked up that medical center online….from this link:https://prisonerresource.com/federal...ndence-address

it gives you the address:

Inmate Correspondence Address

FMC Butner

Inmate Name and Registration Number
FMC Butner
Federal Medical Center
P.O. Box 1600
Butner, NC 27509



basically all you need is the registration number, but I didn’t get into it that far. But it shouldn’t be too hard to find, I imagine

ok here it is lol https://www.inmateaid.com/inmate-pro...dore-kaczynski

[Sol]

guy makes scary sense to me

as LII could do for ESI
though, I doubt in his type. lack of video data is also a problem
at least, by photos LII is not excluded

what people should be scaried is by a mess in their heads, what is closer than a random criminal

> We should send the unabomber a socionics test in the mail.

Psychology texts are forbidden to be given to prisoners.
This would help not much without a videointerview, anyway. A single test has not high accuracy, - comparable to Gulenko's one and of those who believes what Gulenko does is Socionics and has reasonable basis.

[FreelancePoliceman]

Given just how broad NSA watchlist criteria seem to be, I'd imagine I'm already on one or several (and several if not most members of this forum would be too; I'd be surprised if reading Kaczynski's manifesto weren't enough to do it). So could it hurt to get on an FBI watchlist too? (Maybe I'm already on one??)

Anyway, I'm willing to write the Unabomber, and @VewyScawwyNawcissist, since I live in the same country I imagine it'd be easier for me to do it than you. From what I've read on Quora (and Quora answers should be taken with a few grains of salt) I don't have the highest of hopes for a response, but even so it's worth a try. I'll post my initial letter and any responses I get here.

What questionnaire do people think is best?

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

I’m not sure if inmates, especially at his security level, can recieve emails. It seems to me it would prob be a pretty big security risk.

not sure if my Te PoLR or if this is appropriate in this thread, but like they cant have a guy who receives prisoner's mail by email and just prints it to them after its reviewed??? they prolly just dont want to bother doing anytihng for criminals.
. sending a letter overseas is such a joke
now i will manipulate my way out of this by saying he is obviously LSI, taking the test is not an objective answer anyway (nothing is), and he is Ne PoLR. thats why he is so grumpy and ended up the way he did on top of his other issues. he's spoiled. used to doing things his way instead of searching for another solution. what is socionics to him as a person and his agenda? now i want to piss him off but it makes me sick to poke a wounded animal. even if that animal would feed its own sadism to poke me if he could.
this is after i wasted time trying to figure out how to send it, while failing, and i will forget what ive learned by the time i think of doing somehting like this again. nvm figured it out
what should i put on the letter?

[Sol]

It's Aleksandr Pushnoy. And his type is LII



another not bad his thing

[serenaeva]

LSI 100%

[Aster]

What questionnaire do people think is best?

what should i put on the letter?

I’m so mad I had a lot written out and I accidentally erased the beginning. I’ll try to rewrite it, hopeful I can remember everything I said….


Anyway I’m sooo excited about this hahaha.

As soon as I saw read you wanted to do it, my brain started conspiring a plan lol I’d do it myself. But my husband would prob not be happy about me sending a letter to the unabomber and attracting attention to ourselves like that, from authorities & the unabomber, especially with having a family and all. And supposedly he hates women. If it’s true or not, idk. But if it is, a guy would maybe have more of a chance to be taken seriously by him. Supposedly he is also racist and homophobic. Something else to keep in mind, and anything else we know, could find out about him. Because the goal is to get his type, not piss him off



So evidently he’s very intelligent and went to Harvard, where he volunteered for the psychology dept to perform questionable psychological experiments on him. So he interested in psychology. Whether he is bored/interested/open minded enough to consider this, I’m not sure. I’d love to send him gulenkos book, as there is a test in there, and a bit of a note explaining how we were trying to type him. However, gulenko’s book isn’t cheap and it might not make it through, or get tossed in the trash if we get him in a crap mood or something, lol, and I’m not rich enough to throw away that much on it.

If what Sol said is right, and psychology material is forbidden to prisoners, which we prob need to find out, I question whether this is considered psychology to them, or psychology enough to be forbidden. It’s like a Russian MBTI, which add the word Russian and sending something like that to the unabomber… it doesn’t really look good. And red flaggish maybe. I think maybe we should avoid using the word Russia, at all cost honestly. Thoughts?

We could write to him about how we are on a forum of a more developed foreign MBTI, and we would love his critique of it, and we had a debate on where he would fit in it. We would describe the functions and gukenkos societal Quadra progression and complexes (which seems along the lines of what really tickles his fancy, given what we know of the guy. We could use the questionnaire in Gukenko book, print and copy. I think it would be best if he could figure out the results himself and hopefully send back the results and a critique of it. So any questionnaire that he could add together numbers or such to get the results could work.

So, what do you guys think. Am I forgetting something, something to add?

ton of typos and such, I’m writing this all on my phone lol but I’m sure you understandable enough, I think

[Aster]

as LII could do for ESI
though, I doubt in his type. lack of video data is also a problem
at least, by photos LII is not excluded

what people should be scaried is by a mess in their heads, what is closer than a random criminal

> We should send the unabomber a socionics test in the mail.

Psychology texts are forbidden to be given to prisoners.
This would help not much without a videointerview, anyway. A single test has not high accuracy, - comparable to Gulenko's one and of those who believes what Gulenko does is Socionics and has reasonable basis.

Nice to see you are still kicking, Sol, and as open minded as ever

a lot of people find his manifesto scary accurate so I’ve heard, I haven’t read it, though, but from what I have heard, it makes sense. he is against the government and society as it is. He wants to disrupt what they have in place. Of course he is in jail. They even put Jesus in jail for having different ideas. Not saying he is Jesus, and he did murder people. But so have a lot of our politicians. ‘The good guys’, for ‘the greater good’, and ‘security of our nation’.

to just label his mind closer to a random criminal is too simple I believe. Because a lot of people whose minds are similar to criminals are also in charge.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

IEI

[Poptart]

My ILE dad on the unabomber: “he was a genius but also the biggest idiot”

[Poptart]

Given just how broad NSA watchlist criteria seem to be, I'd imagine I'm already on one or several

Don’t flatter yourself

[lavos]

SLI or ESI I think.

[FreelancePoliceman]

Don’t flatter yourself

Most people here are probably on one. The criteria to get flagged are intentionally broad in line with the philosophy of Big Data: "collect everything (unconstitutionally, in this case) and we can (maybe) figure out what to do with it later." You don't have to "flatter yourself" to believe that you're tracked by Google or Amazon; it's almost the same with the NSA.

[xerx]

[Poptart]

Most people here are probably on one. The criteria to get flagged are intentionally broad in line with the philosophy of Big Data: "collect everything (unconstitutionally, in this case) and we can (maybe) figure out what to do with it later." You don't have to "flatter yourself" to believe that you're tracked by Google or Amazon; it's almost the same with the NSA.

Ok fine you’re probably right

[Renna]

I immediately type this guy as Ti/Fe value in the first picture. No Fi in his eye (vibe, don't judge me).

I don't even know who this guy is. Yes LSI seem fit him the most.

[youfloweryourfeast]

ILI,

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unabomb...icide-sources/
synchronicity again. i didnt find this bc it was recommended to me, i just looked him up bc of association to other things. now i think he was ILI not LSI

[Socionics Is Not A Cult]

Not ESE.

[godslave]

Maniacs, serial killers as well as ideological theorists are without a doubt representative of Quadra Beta. However, it is important to say that those are not any representative of that Quadra but only those with serious mental disorder or some kind of complexes from childhood. - Dr. G

He didn't type him but said that EIE was possible. LSI (weak Ni and Ne PolR) is a bit of a stretch imho.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

He didn't type him but said that EIE was possible. LSI (weak Ni and Ne PolR) is a bit of a stretch imho.

he was a prodigy that lived outside of society. dunno how he could be extroverted. IEI makes the most sense imo

[Weenusflytrap]

ILI. His whole strategy was about waiting however many years for society to collapse before making a move, was set on one possible outcome and one root cause of society’s problems, and placed a lot of importance on living in alignment with his values…said that something is wrong only if you believe it to be wrong, so clearly not Fe valuing. The way he lived showed that he didn’t care about his physical environment, so not S. If you read Truth vs Lies it’s just criticism nonstop, so I don’t know how he can be any type but a critic, and he was all about defending his reputation using external evidence. His writing style was short and to the point, very simple to understand. Also, ILIs are very pedantic and his pedanticism is what got him caught.

[The Reality Denialist]

He didn't type him but said that EIE was possible. LSI (weak Ni and Ne PolR) is a bit of a stretch imho.

Why would it be a stretch?

[godslave]

Why would it be a stretch?

Well, it's just an impression. When we think about it, killing people with such method creates chaos which is against the nature of LSI (LS order and comfort and Fi + role). Note also that TK's attakcs were planed and the rewording/satisfaction of his action were delayed and not in real time, that's important and suggest a certain patience "wait and see" (Ni) preference.

I think that in order to do what TK did a good intuition of possibilities is required i.e. you have to imagine scenarios and situations to countermeasure the FBI methods of investigations. We can also note that TK modus operendi has been perfected throughout his period of activity, the bombs he made were more and more sophisticated. That suggests a certain flexibility in terms of Ne, it comes with solutions and adapt to the situation.

I would also add, that his actions were driven by a certain opinion of "humanism". He was an ideologist and an "eco-activist", most of his alleged political motivations were NF-ish more than ST-ish imho. Ni- is expressed in his actions as a warning about the deviation of society and his aversion for technological progress and industrialization that, in his mind, are a threat to his idea of humanism.

[The Reality Denialist]

Well, it's just an impression. When we think about it, killing people with such method creates chaos which is against the nature of LSI (LS order and comfort and Fi + role). Note also that TK's attakcs were planed and the rewording/satisfaction of his action were delayed and not in real time, that's important and suggest a certain patience "wait and see" (Ni) preference.

I think that in order to do what TK did a good intuition of possibilities is required i.e. you have to imagine scenarios and situations to countermeasure the FBI methods of investigations. We can also note that TK modus operendi has been perfected throughout his period of activity, the bombs he made were more and more sophisticated. That suggests a certain flexibility in terms of Ne, it comes with solutions and adapt to the situation.

I would also add, that his actions were driven by a certain opinion of "humanism". He was an ideologist and an "eco-activist", most of his alleged political motivations were NF-ish more than ST-ish imho. Ni- is expressed in his actions as a warning about the deviation of society and his aversion for technological progress and industrialization that, in his mind, are a threat to his idea of humanism.

You can take a look at his manifesto.

Do not read it. Just look at it. What can you see?


I, myself, see a highly structured document everything done in a crispy logical way. Furthermore his private notes were decrypted using a secret key that can be used in a painstakingly detailed way. He didn't need a computer he was the computer.


Let's look at ethics+ sensorics more. He was a repressed picky incel. Deep down he was vengeful due to specific life circumstances, not a manipulated ideologist. Whereas ******, the EIE, was a prideful volcel who had his mind manipulated by the contemporary science (so many parallels with Jordan Peterson).

[godslave]

You can take a look at his manifesto.

Do not read it. Just look at it. What can you see?

Well, I couldn't help but try to understand it, but of course it's easier when it's already cracked ! I could have never understood it on my own, not in a million years ! In fact I learned a lot about cryptography and ciphers watching this video ! I see the work of a genius (even if I'm not a math guy !).

I, myself, see a highly structured document everything done in a crispy logical way. Furthermore his private notes were decrypted using a secret key that can be used in a painstakingly detailed way. He didn't need a computer he was the computer.

Let's look at ethics+ sensorics more. He was a repressed picky incel. Deep down he was vengeful due to specific life circumstances, not a manipulated ideologist. Whereas ******, the EIE, was a prideful volcel who had his mind manipulated by the contemporary science (so many parallels with Jordan Peterson).

Fair enough ! I didn't know much about him. Maybe I should watch the "Manhunt" TV show .

[youfloweryourfeast]

The fact he graduated so quickly points to strong Te and Se.
Yeah, I agree now with ILI. He seems way too detached and has rather 0 appreciation of Fe valuing. I agree that some of his ideas seem rather beta but really a lot of his ideas are the dislike of social movements ect., and it's causes
Furthermore, he could not take very good care of himself which indicated rather low si, and I find he is very too much future oriented for any LSI; who's Ni is not this strong.

"In many over socialized people this results in a sense of constraint" "a human being needs goals require effort and must have a reasonable rate of success " sounds more Te valuing here, as he writing is rather practical and matter of fact with a lot his ideas relating to the future and it's effects.

Also, the likeness of him being an extrovert is rather low I did consider LIE but he did not like to engage very much with peers, and went completely off the grid alone, disliked being around a lot of people..I could still consider him being a very introverted subtype LIE, but I think ILI fits best from what I gathered.

[MantedStorm]

Where do you need these people?

[youfloweryourfeast]

EIE just does not make sense. Much of his behavior seems rather disliking of fe to be EIE tbh and he talked about why it's bad to be assimilated far into society. Yeah but I agree his ni and intuition is too strong for LSI.
Soem sort gamma Ni ILI/LIE