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    Jesus Christ, that woman is a cunt.

    And I do not believe that Sweden is more stupidly nationalistic as the United States.
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    When you have no money and have cancer you want to live in Sweden not in the USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    Jesus Christ, that woman is a cunt.
    No U.
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    oh it's definitely full of Feeses

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    Ya, I think I'd rather live Sweden then ghetto ass America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Let's type some nations...or stereotypes!

    Spain - ENFp
    Italy - ESTp
    Germany - ISTj
    USA - ENTj
    England - ESTj
    Canada - INTj
    Japan - ENTp
    France - ISFp
    Norway - INFp
    Russia - ESTp
    Australia - ISTp
    China - INTp
    Spain SEE
    England ILI/LIE
    Italy North Delta
    Italy Center Gamma
    Italy South Beta
    France ?
    Germany (Prussia) LSE
    Germany (Bayern) LSI
    Russia SLE
    China LSI
    USA LIE/ILE
    Brazil SEE
    Australia SLI
    Japan delta
    Canada LII
    Ireland ESE
    Belgium SEI
    Poland I dunno
    India IEI?
    Confederate States of America LSI?
    Roman Empire ?
    Republic of South Ossetia ??
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    Norway SLI
    Sweden SLI
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    Finland ILE
    Denmark ?
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    Greece (ancient) LII
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    India is extremely Fe. And I think Si over Ni.

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    Senegal is ESE. Most African/black cultures seem to be in the Alpha SF / Beta ST range, although I could maybe see an argument for EIE for the African American community.

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    Let's necrobump this. France as ESE is laughable.


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    SEE

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    EII

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    IEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post

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    Technically not a country but anyway



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    My home state of Alaska: LSI. Introverted culture, strong military focus, a basic "rough and tumble" mentality with a culture basically defined by books like Call of the Wild. Even if you're from Anchorage, which is a decently-sized and very modernized city, you generally act like you're Bear Grylls. Visitors are often surprised by how staid, unobtrusive, quiet the culture is though, since our cultural exports (*cough*Palin*cough*) generally come off as over-the-top kooky. Fairbanks is LSI as well and is seen as the heart of "Real Alaska," Anchorage might be steadily trending in a Delta ST (SLI?) direction.

    Seattle metro, though not necessarily Washington as a whole: LII. Still a very introverted culture, called the "Seattle freeze." Prides itself on its weirdness and innovation. Pike Place is sort of the center of it for locals, and it's a mish-mash of shops selling every weird thing under the sun. Very outdoorsy culture. Snakier and less cute than it lets on, with its (often LIE) corporate titans.

    Our neighbors in Oregon, or at least Portland, seem SEI. Soft beardy hipster-land, with a lot of restaurants, an expectation of physical activity, also mostly an introverted culture. NorCal, or at least the Bay Area, seems ILE. Major tech center, again a world-class restaurant center, a diverse array of random scattered ethnic and religious identities all bound together by mostly shared principles of tolerance, education, innovation.
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    Finishing out typing the West Coast, venturing into the Southwestern portion that bears little cultural similarity to the Northwest besides sharing a sealine. I'm also less confident in these typings, since I know more about my "home turf" so to speak:

    LA metro - EIE. The film industry's prominence leads to a certain emphasis on expressivity, the hustle and bustle lifestyle means probable Si devaluation. However, that description only fits the affluent white side of LA. The "other Los Angeles" suits EIE just as well, and in much more interesting ways. LA is also rife with internal conflicts; gang wars, radical politicized movements. Even in its affluent white end, it has a large and often unspoken about indie scene, significantly more creatively innovative than you'd expect for the City of Angels.

    San Diego/OC - San Francisco's conflictor, ESI. Much more staid than LA, high military presence leading to a certain dudebro-ishness in the culture. Strong emphasis on traditional family life, somewhat socially conservative. Conveys a very Gamma image of opulent affluence.
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    isn't the entire history of colonialism basically western europe cucking the entire world

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    The Ulster-Scots, Afrikaners, and American Southerners are all LSI cultures. All three are a mix of 6 and 8.

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    Portugal IEI?

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    Not a country, but Minnesota is apparently super-Si:



    edit: there was another good video about Minnesotan hospitality but I can't find it right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Not a country, but Minnesota is apparently super-Si:

    Even the fashion is on point bwahhhaaahaaaa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Persephone View Post
    Let's necrobump this. France as ESE is laughable.

    Agreed, modern France is not ESE, though the archetypal idea of France being ESE makes sense, which was the point of this thread i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shining View Post
    Agreed, modern France is not ESE, though the archetypal idea of France being ESE makes sense, which was the point of this thread i guess.
    Then what is it (and why)? Some Fe ego at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Then what is it (and why)? Some Fe ego at least.
    I associate Fe to welcoming and willing to include people, especially blocked with Si. On this basis, a lot of countries are showing more of this quality than France i think (even countries often typed here like SEE, like Spain, Italy, Brazil...).
    I am not even able to be sure of my own type and can't type some long term friends so i don't think my typing skills are reliable. I am really asking myself if socionics really works. So many people just doesn't fit in 1 type for me. We can hope from the side of the neurosciences to make sense of our brain-working, without that comprehension of our functionning and so socionics won't progress. I am thinking socionics is some kind of religion in its actual state.
    But, SEI is not that bad, french are unwilling to initiate but are welcoming and talkative overall once initiated like someone previously stated, it's interesting to type countries but at the end does it even mean anything ?

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    @shining

    Excluding the point of whether integral type / type in general exists for the moment, the reason France is seen as Fe is due to the high emphasis on romance, culture, and art.
    I did think SEI based on my brief stay in Paris but I am not an expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    @shining

    Excluding the point of whether integral type / type in general exists for the moment, the reason France is seen as Fe is due to the high emphasis on romance, culture, and art.
    I did think SEI based on my brief stay in Paris but I am not an expert.
    Yes, in this way you can even type France as ESE, if you go by stereotypes which don't have to reflect modern time but the historical spirit of a country.

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    France:

    -hedonism (Si)

    -poetry/refinement (Fe)

    -cheese (Si)

    -eiffel tower (Ti)

    -Boris Vian (Ne)

    -"liberté, egalité. fraternité" (democratic quadra, alpha > gamma)

    (alpha SF)

    Now, I've been there, and I while I felt welcomed, I didn't feel at home like in some other places I've considered as gamma.

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    Default Type Countries from around the World

    I think the case could be made for USA being LIE. It is a country of workaholism, where time is scarce, overvalued and is money, and excessive pragmatism reigns. There is little time for leisure and pleasure activities. The arts and pure sciences struggle (anti-Alpha) - the latter often recruiting from around the world for pure research. Sex and sensuality has little value and respect and often the subjects here are fraught with negativity (anti-SEI). Population is dwindling. A good family life, culturally, has become a rare find (anti-ESE). There are wide economic gaps rather than justice for all (anti-Alpha NT). Gammas tend to thrive in capitalistic systems but most everyone else suffers. It is overregulated bureaucratic and inefficient (unlike the efficient SLI). Buildings are rarely preserved and the landscape is growing into a post-industrial, quickie-mart wasteland that offends the eyes and is littered with excessive practical data, signage and tiny business outlets everywhere. "Strength" is overrated or misapplied.

    I find it extremely hard to be happy and live naturally here as an SEI type. Heck, I have to go into SuperEgo mode as an ILI just to keep a job and pay bills while owning nothing.

    @Adam Strange I don't mean to be mean but I like you so much that I still find it hard to accept your typing as LIE. Maybe you are just an exquisite exception for the type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky View Post
    I think the case could be made for USA being LIE. It is a country of workaholism, where time is scarce, overvalued and is money, and excessive pragmatism reigns. There is little time for leisure and pleasure activities. The arts and pure sciences struggle (anti-Alpha) - the latter often recruiting from around the world for pure research. Sex and sensuality has little value and respect and often the subjects here are fraught with negativity (anti-SEI). A good family life, culturally, has become a rare find (anti-ESE). There are wide economic gaps rather than justice for all (anti-Alpha NT). Gammas tend to thrive in capitalistic systems but most everyone else suffers. It is overregulated bureaucratic and inefficient (unlike the efficient SLI). Buildings are rarely preserved and the landscape is growing into a post-industrial, quickie-mart wasteland that offends the eyes and is littered with excessive practical data, signage and tiny business outlets everywhere. I find it extremely hard to be happy and live naturally here as an SEI type. Heck, I have to go into SuperEgo mode as an ILI just to keep a job and pay bills while owning nothing.

    @Adam Strange I don't mean to be mean but I like you so much that I still find it hard to accept your typing as LIE. Maybe you are just an exquisite exception for the type.
    Thank you, @vesstheastralsilky. I didn't take your comments personally. I actually tend to agree with them.
    As a matter of fact, I'm much more liberal than most of the LIE's I know. I guess you'd call me a traitor to my type. Lol.

    If there is a difference between me and most LIE's I know, it might be due to the fact that I basically started with very, very little money outside of what I earned working (my grandmother gave each of her three grandchildren $15k, her lifetime savings, which I used as a down payment on my first house. I now keep more than that in my sock drawer as ready cash because I've been lucky) but I lived near Detroit and worked with guys in factories and I also know some millionaires and can compare the two groups. Luck is the major determining factor in getting rich, not brilliance, and things seem to be changing for the worse, in the sense that the rich are pulling up the ladders. I hate that. It results in a group of heartless, entitled, fucking morons running the country.

    Meritocracy is a term the rich privately use to describe their tribe, but is far from the truth of the matter. I'd like to drop every one of these guys into Somalia with a handgun and $20 and pick up the survivors (if any) two weeks later, 100 miles away. That might adjust their attitudes a bit.

    But I agree that placing a price on everything in society and privatizing the commons is a sure way to a broken society.

    Sorry about the rant.

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    I think the USA is a LIE society because of immigration.

    If you assume that the types are distributed as a certain fixed percentage of every population, based on the needs of society (and I do), and you find that LIE's aren't that common in any population, then the question arises as to what would cause the USA to have more LIE's than most countries?

    I believe the answer is immigration. LIE's are particularly prone to picking up and moving to a new place if there are no opportunities for them where they are, and for much of history, Europe was basically locked down by Aristocrats and the Church. When a new country opened up, I believe that LIE's picked up and moved there.

    Incidentally, (SEE or LIE) Napoleon's major role in history was to destroy the power of the church in Europe, just after the French Aristocrats had been bankrupted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I think the USA is a LIE society because of immigration.

    If you assume that the types are distributed as a certain fixed percentage of every population, based on the needs of society (and I do), and you find that LIE's aren't that common in any population, then the question arises as to what would cause the USA to have more LIE's than most countries?

    I believe the answer is immigration. LIE's are particularly prone to picking up and moving to a new place if there are no opportunities for them where they are, and for much of history, Europe was basically locked down by Aristocrats and the Church. When a new country opened up, I believe that LIE's picked up and moved there.

    Incidentally, (SEE or LIE) Napoleon's major role in history was to destroy the power of the church in Europe, just after the French Aristocrats had been bankrupted.
    Interesting.

    Now that I think about it, (this is my Te POLR wrt published data), the state of California unlike most of the USA seems very EII. Same goes for many fringe liberal groups.

    I wonder which countries are SEI.
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    I think India is very Beta. The foundation of Indian society is built on rules and social heirarchies, like the caste system. But even so, the country as a whole has morphed over the years from LSI to EIE. It's a bizarre change if you look at it... What's more interesting is that India has been able to resist gamma-ification over the years as well. I think this is because the beta system is so strong here. From the mythology of Hinduism, to the rigid caste system and communal tensions and the like... Not to mention, Indians are a bizarre mix of being frugal and straight out flaunting wealth. The infamous Indian serials, TV shows and Bollywood movies with the song numbers and over the top acting, it all just is so so so Fe. I fit in well over here actually lol.

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