Yes that’s why they love Shakespeare. By the way I went to London with my SLE friend who put the Shakespeare theater on our agenda and every time she visits me in LA she wants to see a play by the Shakespeare company. Lol Shakespeare is extremely emotionally charged. As you can imagine very few Delta there.Originally Posted by Pano Lou
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Definitely SLe
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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What i truly admire and respect about a SLE i know is her ability to stand up and do what she thinks is the right thing, unwavering. Of course, i have been in many debates with her about what the right thing might BE, but it is something that i admire nonetheless. To protect the weak in that fashion is something i find very attractive.
When they are in a positive mood with their Fe HA then yes this is true. When they are not, the opposite is true. Level of health of course matters in this a lot like for any other type too.
I do think in general it would be good to add the conditions for when the statement is true instead of trying to generalise to the entire type as is. (Not trying to address you personally with this, this is more general.)
I love Shakespeare! The bard is one of my favorite poets! I have memorized lines from his plays. There's nothing I love more than intense, often times tragic emotions. Take a look at my siggy. The quotes are from Wuthering Heights, one of my favorite books. It's funny, because Charlotte Bronte (the author of Jane Eyre) and Emily Bronte (the author of Wuthering Heights) are Gamma and Beta respectively. Emily Bronte's book was published after her death - she died at a young age after writing one book - and Charlotte Bronte did the editing to make it more palatable lol. Charlotte B really disapproved of her sister's writing lol. Fe vs Fi xD
Oh, I thought I had made it clear I was talking about my personal experience with the type. Ofc, the good and the bad are both true, there are good and bad examples of every type. I will make it more clear in the future
Oh I forget. The Delta were the actors. Among them was an ISTP and an ENFP. My SLE friend stood mesmerized and staring at the SLI. I think she fell in love with him but has no idea that he ignores Se lol
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I agree with this perspective. The ESTp that I knew well, would frequently show off and put on a facade when in public or with friends. (Se) However, in personal interaction, he was somewhat insecure and 'soft'.
Yes, protecting the weak is the right use of strength.
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I think it's more accurate to say betas like to change and improve hierarchical systems. There is a huge misconception that betas like hierarchy for it's own sake. Mussolini for example actually held anarchist beliefs in his youth before turning to fascism. He was unhappy with the system and simply wanted it destroyed at first. As he became more educated he began to realize that hierarchy and people ruling over each is something that will exist no matter what, so instead he sought change the system to make aligned to the welfare and progress of the people and to remove all parasitic, pragmatic self-serving elements from both the state and nation as a whole (****** had these same views as well, hence their alliance).
People who say they like hierarchy in it's modern day capitalistic form are Te types, especially Gammas and LIEs in particular. Te and pragmatism are the biggest assets in climbing most of today's hierarchies. Betas like ****** and Mussolini instead sought to make hierarchy strictly centered around merit and to prevent backstabbers, self-servers and ruthless cutthroats from being able to rise in the hierarchy as much as possible.
Looks like he made you feel insecure imo
How so?
By being overly abrasive, domineering and expressive.
I provide organized information of my personal experience with an individual that I identify as an ESTp which correlates to the conversation. I hope my experience may be useful. I do not care about your feelings.I had an ESTp-Se friend for much of high school and college. He currently attends college on a football scholarship and is employed as a security officer. Objective
He had his own 'clan', which often included members of the high school football and basketball team. He greatly enjoyed the camaraderie and physical contact aspects of the sport environment. Objective
He was quite egotistical, stubborn, and 'loud', occasionally appearing arrogant. Subjective- negative He was also much into fashion, specifically accessories. Objective
He was not 'bossy' or domineering. Traits that I find more common in ESFps and ISTjs. Subjective- positive
He did not date/sleep around. He dated two girls, whom I thought both were ESFps. Eventually, he tried to secretly hit on my ISFj-Se girlfriend, which led to the dissolution of our friendship. Objective
Overly abrasive
I am not insulting the ESTp or others. I am listing basic facts about him, in addition on how he came across by me and his peers.
Example of overly abrasive: He was a person that spent the majority of his allowance on shoes, socks, headbands, and sport gear; that flunked high school and represented your stereotypical jock. Objective
Domineering
I do not see how I am establishing or provoking any power play.
Example of domineering: He resembled a little brother to me, correlating to benefactor and beneficiary. He frequently asked for my advice, money, and car rides. Objective
Expressive
To better and directly communicate my message.
I am not even sure if this is a negative in an online forum context...
Straight out of the gate, love it and 99% agree. I'd only question if a de dicto and de re distinction is worth drawing here for Gamma. Hierarchy is concretely and demonstrably unavoidable and is not negative in abstract (only in instance). A Gamma age however is ostensibly and avowedly non-hierarchical with a lot of goofy rhetoric about boot straps, elbow grease, and meritocracy. So in a consciously, de dicto, stated explicit sense a Gamma era is not hierarchical in an overtly enforced sense while it very obviously in point of unavoidable fact produces an individualistic, de re, hierarchy of rootless robber barons based on capital accumulation with no sense of group membership or obligation.
Just felt the need to draw that out as a contrast to Delta, whose era builds an implicit, unfixed, shifting, imperial, unavowable but none the less zealously enforced hierarchy based on ostensible anti-hierarchy--which is the inverse of the beta that is overt and honest, laying out clearly what the score is, what your requirements are and what you can expect from the greater whole.
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Lmao dude, are you okay? I also meant he was, not you. You only came as insecure to me.
When did I even brought them upI don't care about your feelings
The Chad ESTp vs the Virgin ENTj
The funny thing is with some people you only have to imply they’re insecure to make them start feeling and acting insecure.
not easy for P types
> 2. Protective. From an SLE friend "You can recognize an ESTP by his tribes. They have many groups loyal to them, like my crew for the last 12 years, my team in the office. Older ESTP’s, i.e. over 40 years old, also tend to have deeper meaningful relationships (Fe-Ni). We are protectors of the people in our tribe. The people under my wing have a lion at the gate.
I still feel responsible for people who worked in my team many years ago. If their current manager doesn’t treat them well, I will kick his ass. I see the same with two ESTP managers and I love to see how they operate!"
as E types they are open to people and as base Se tend to control what happens near in T-S ways
doubtfuly to say about more of specifical
> 4. Strive to provide the highest quality in goods and service.
depends
to provide the higher profit and do the work in time is offen the opposite task
> 5. Work at something for a very long time. Work in science diligently. Dedicate to something they take pleasure in for a long time Ni.
mb for something, but not common for P types
> 6. Can be extremely frugal living on a skimpy means.
more they tend to pose and to get image things, to show the status and high income
> 7. Humor, funny, even in subtle ways.
doubtful compared to F types
> 8. Sympathetic
it's Fi. so not about T types and especially Ti ones
> 9. Want to be LOVED so they are among the most sympathetic types.
more want to get excitements and external respect. it's Fe valued type!
> 10. Strong...consistently physically train at something
the minority does sport training
> 11. Can make harsh or rude jokes that may offend sensitive Fi types
rude jokes may offent anyone
you like SLEs (as should)
and do not like type's theory as said strange in some places
How about you stop projecting your own issues onto others. As the first step for you to make.Lmao dude, are you okay? I also meant he was, not you. You only came as insecure to me.
When did I even brought them up
The Chad ESTp vs the Virgin ENTj
And then for the second step, learn to read.
For the third step, go back to the original post by @Hard Headed and see how your responses to it were really off.
Hint: he called the SLE egotistical yet not domineering.
I think I mentioned it in my other posts, betas definitely embody the spirit of rebellion. I think heirarchy is more a beta ST thing than it is for Beta NFs. One of the reasons why LSI is EIEs dual is because of how good LSI is at creating systems. Same goes for SLE, but SLEs are a lot more expensive, I think. EIE is a very scattered type. I do appreciate knowing my place, and others knowing their place. I'm not quite sure what you mean by capitalistic heirarchies... I was more talking about social/societal and even in relation to other people.
I like most people sol
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I wasn't projecting my own issues, he just seemed to be insecure and I mentioned the reasons why. I rarely have had any problems with SLEs so that doesn't really work.
Hey @Myst, don't worry about it- just ignore them.
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They are aggressive and self confident. The males usually get in trouble with the law. They like to test boundaries/limits, and invoke others with feeling. But they also have a sweet playful/manipulative "innocent" side that IEIs tend to love and deltas tend to loathe. Not valuing Te, they tend to like more informal power structures where they won because they were more rawly powerful rather than through faggy and weak overly PC democratic institutions.
They indirectly inspire their duals to be more confident/outgoing because they are this way, it's often over-the-top confidence that the "victim" in the relationship has no choice but to be more easier on themselves, and less victim-y as well. That kinda explains the ease of communication between the dual pairs. But it has to be complementary, many times the IEI is too shy/too SEI-like to even be around the SLE, and the SLE might find the IEI too weak, out-of-reach, and/or pathetic. But "ideally" if other factors are present, this is how it works.
I agree here. However, I think the hiearchy is way more implicit--->'this' guys, or girls opinions about who what how and should, are what we all need to follow.
For example, I'm thinking Whoppi Goldberg and the 15 years of harping on the View.
Edit: another example is the straight forward moralizing of the Hodge Twins.
Its more of a : you can follow my hierarchal opinion here, but why wouldn't you, are you crazy, or something?
On the dark side of the spectrum its bullying, with, or without teeth. Depends.
Scattered like?
PS: I'll respond to your other stuff later, I'll have a bit more time soon
Meant general issues more than related to experiences with SLE. Like why get at someone else like that without them doing anything if it didn't trigger something for yourself. But I'm not going to beat at this further, I already made my points before.
PS: And I don't know you otherwise, so this isn't personal like that. If you want to actually go on with some answer tho', PM me, instead of off topic, this is already enough off topic lol.
Hey, yeah, I remember you.
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