Nick Jonas and Tove Lo (LIE sx/sp & LSI sx/sp)
this is a kind of awkward representation of sx instinct undergoing the sp modulation of space/distance, like I'm relating but the video ultimately feels too mechanized
hungry.jpg
(from Ariana Oh blogspot.com)
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(from tumblr)
I know Persephone and Hades are both thought to be sp/sx but I have always considered Persephone to be sx/sp and Hades to be sp/sx.
There's something about Persephone's story that strikes me as fitting for a synflow person- the longing to be a part of sunlight and wanting to 'join with humanity'. In the myths, Persephone's arrival ushered spring; and the presence of sx/sps has been described as enlivening, inspiriting, energizing. On the other hand, sx/sps can withdraw for a long period or time- compare that with Persephone's departure to the underworld- winter.
I also see sx-firsts being viewed being as vulnerable so sp-firsts and I understand that is how Hades viewed her.
Also, sx-firsts (even sx/sps) are usually extroverted, even if it's not in the traditional way. We seek energizing and transformative experiences. Persephones looked forward to taking a break from the underworld and heck the poor girl did enjoy picking flowers in open fields, even if it didn't fare well for her; sx-firsts do experience a lot of trouble for their thrill seeking behaviours.
(On a related note: I'd like to think of Demeter as either sx/so or sp/so; probably the latter.)
While the original mythology is creepy and rape-y, I like some of the palatable interpretations of the story of Hades and Persephone; I'd like to think of them like this: sp-first partner has always wanted a mate, preferably one who was comfortable with his strangeness and need for introversion (perhaps another social last); however, he understands that his sx-partner needs to have intense experiences, ones that he cannot provide. He'd also like to have some to himself so he can focus on (other) matters are deeply important to him - do the job he loves, so to speak. Thus, he understands that she has to leave and he waits; she'll always return to him; they both value sp, they value the idea of a home, a constant. They are both people who are rather 'rooted'. She returns to him from her travels and he is pleased.
Last edited by inabox; 01-17-2017 at 03:28 PM.
Excellent explanation for Persephone and their dynamic. It's fitting to have two social lasts as the underworld coupleOriginally Posted by inabox
Demeter is Sp/So.
Sx = the one. Sp= No one. So = everyone. Throwing the one and no one together creates the ultimate chaos.
"Sx/sp: I want the one, but I’m fine with no one.
Sp/sx: I prefer no one, but it’d be nice to find the one.
So/sx: I love everyone, but I’d like to find the one.
Sx/so: I want the one, but I want everyone.
So/sp: I can have everyone or I can have no one.
Sp/so: I can have no one, but I kind of want everyone."
(from here)
that sounds like a sp/so and sx/sp relationship dynamic to me. wouldn't sp/sx share the the need to have intense experiences or at least, seek some of their own? i'm not sure. just curious.
And sx/sp and sp/so dynamic would be similar. The sp/sx would like to have to intense experiences for sure but not to the same extent as the sx/sp person. Our second instinct is something, easy, fun and usually something we have enough of. The first instinct is something we can never seem to have enough of, on the other hand.
@lynn , you got me thinking- two people of different stackings but with the same first instinct may behave in similar ways and have similar needs but they will execute the fulfillment of those needs in very different ways. One important difference I have noticed when I compare myself to my exes, who were both sx/sos, is that it appears that while sx/sos want to transform the people around them (which many scholars have written about before me), sx/sps wants to transform themselves.
Sp-firsts are said to feel the need for a mate because it makes them feel secure. You could say that for Hades. Sp-firsts also consider their loved ones as a part of themselves; both Persephone's mother and her husband behave possessively towards her. However, contrast Hades (sp/sx) with Demeter (sp/so). Hades had very little consideration for the rules of the gods and nature; as is often typical for social lasts, when he wanted something, he went ahead and got it, paying little mind to whomever was offended or what harm he may have to had incur on himself in the 'social realm' so to speak; his method of uhh getting Persephone was rather ... 'forceful', the dark side of 'sx'.
Compare his actions with Demeter's, who basically forced the hands of others in her pursuit- one could say that they all 'banded' with her, so as to put pressure on Hades; she used the social support she had as a resource to retrieve her loved one; as a result, Hades was forced to let his wife leave him for a portion of the year.
As a social last, myself, I weirdly sympathize with him; not on the gross, rapey, deceitful part but yeah, it ain't fun to let 'so' things in the way of achieving personal goals.
@lynn , also last thoughts: Persephone has enough of sp ; a home with her spouse, two purposes (I don't know how much of it she wanted though) : the bringer of spring and to bring forth vengeance in the underworld. She does however seem to want 'variety' (sx) in her life (like staying with Hades is fine but jeez, the underworld can't be all there is, you know?) .
sp feeding --> into sx
song of a pissed of sx/sp (Nightcore~ The Wolf)
And you once said, "I wish you dead, you sinner."
I'll never be more than a wolf at your door for dinner.
And if I see you ‘round like a ghost in my town, you liar,
I'll leave with your head. Oh, I'll leave you for dead, sire.
And you once said, "I wish you dead, you sinner.
I'll never be more than a wolf at your door for dinner.
And if I see you ‘round like a ghost in my town, you liar,
I'll leave with your head. Oh, I'll leave you for dead, sire.
You were sharp as a knife to get me.
You were a wolf in the night to fetch me back.
The wishes I've made are too vicious to tell.
Everyone knows I am going to hell…
And if it's true,
I'll go there with you.
Last edited by yeves; 01-25-2017 at 03:30 AM.
I like sx/sp/sx for her. Most of her songs sound synflow...
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Natalie Imbruglia - IEI-Ni sx/sp
I'd say Natalie is ESI...
Don't know about her instinctual stacking, I suppose SO blindspot and Sx/Sp in particular is quite likely.
I don't see sex in her. sp/so
"These are the nameless larvae of the Other Gods, and like them are blind and without mind, and possessed of singular hungers and thirsts."
- H. P. Lovecraft, The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath
Last edited by Pallas; 02-02-2017 at 07:19 PM.
I picked you out
Of a crowd and talked to you
Said I liked your shoes
You said thanks can I follow you?
So it's up the stairs
And out of view
No prying eyes
I poured some wine
I asked your name you asked the time
Now it's two o'clock,
the club is closed we're up the block
Your hands on me
I'm pressing hard against your jeans
Your tongue in my mouth
Trying to keep the words from coming out
You didn't care to know
Who else may have been you before
I want a lover I don't have to love
I want a girl who's too sad to give a fuck
Where's the kid with the chemicals?
I thought he said to meet me here but I'm not sure
I got the money if you got the time
You said it feels good I said I'll give it a try
Then my mind went dark
We both forgot where your car was parked
Let's just take the train
I'll meet up with the band in the morning
Bad actors with bad habits
Some sad singers
They just play tragic
And the phone's ringing
And the van's leaving
Let's just keep touching
Let's just keep keep singing
I want a lover I don't have to love
I want a boy who's so drunk he doesn't talk
Where's the kid with the chemicals
I got a hunger and I can't seem to get full
I need some meaning I can memorize
The kind I have always seems to slip my mind
But you but you
You write such pretty words
But life's no story book
Love's an excuse to get hurt
And to hurt
"Do you like to hurt?"
"I do! I do!"
"Then hurt me."
I see you on a western sky
All my best tonight
Out in the dark
You always seem to come my way
Come and take your shape
Out on the stars
I really wanna know your name
See your face, know who you are, who you are
How did ya find me, how did ya find me?
What are you looking for, are you looking for
How did ya find me how did ya find me
Up in the shadow, picking up my load
I'm waiting on the smoke to rise from behind your eyes
Send me away
Follow me into the wild with a twisted smile, I can't escape
Now I got you by my side, all my life, day after day
From the grave
How did ya find me how did ya find me
What are you looking for, are you looking for
How did ya find me how did ya find me
Up in the shadows, picking up my load
I see you under western skies
Behind your eyes
I can escape
From the grave
How did ya find me how did ya find me?
What are you looking for, are you looking for
How did ya find me how did ya find me?
Up in the shadows, what are you looking for
How did ya find me how did ya find me?
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I can't resist responding to that with this song. It came to mind when I saw it.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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(its just sx but theres no sx thread :/)
Robin Schulz could be an sx/sp and some extroverted type
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