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    Default anybody else ever noticed that eie-fe are much harder to identify and find than eie-ni?

    I didn't want to put this in the Beta section because I think it's a topic that deserves more visibility and discussion.

    Anyway, it's taken me a long time to finally conclude this, but EIE-Fe tend to vary more from one another and are easily mistaken for other types (SLE-Ti, ILE, SLI, and even their LSI-Se duals come to mind, but especially SLE), whereas like 80% of EIE-Ni are easily identifiable as EIE-Ni (I knew one who was an asshole and could easily be confused for his conflictor in one photo, he looked like Jeff Daniels, but I noticed he was an EIE-Ni as soon as I meet him).

    EIE-Fe keep themselves at a distance more and they're less emotionally expressive, less sentimental, less biased, as adults they seem to not want to cause a bad emotional atmosphere. They're far more skeptical of stereotypes, and well, everything. They're greater skepticism probably causes them to participate in groups, new activities, competitions, etc., less so they get a lot less visibility. But even when taking into account the Fe subtypes lower visibility, they're still less common.
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    EIE-Fe I know tend usually to mistype as IEI-Fe , ESE , IEE
    But I haven't ever come across one of them who thinks he's a logical type

    Even if they are less emotionally expressive their Fe is still 4D and Ti is still 1D

    Therefore, even if it happened and they mistype themselves for being logical types, it would be evident to others that they lack Ti.

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    However, I remember Filatova talking about something similar about EIE-Fe , she said they might look like LIIs from far away

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    i may be or have been EIE-Fe but i mistyped as EIE-Ni
    i dont know which one is less common
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    What. I'm confused. Wouldn't eie-Fe be the more noticeable one? Because Fe in a vacuum is drag queen and show-y and stereotypically 'gay?' And Ni is spacey and introverted etc. I realize that's kind of Alive-ish thinking but could u please elaborate on why u think EIE-Fe is less noticeable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Messy View Post
    EIE-Fe I know tend usually to mistype as IEI-Fe , ESE , IEE
    But I haven't ever come across one of them who thinks he's a logical type

    Even if they are less emotionally expressive their Fe is still 4D and Ti is still 1D

    Therefore, even if it happened and they mistype themselves for being logical types, it would be evident to others that they lack Ti.
    Well, I recommended this book. It goes through misunderstandings on jungian feeling etc. https://archive.org/details/lectures...ge/78/mode/2up
    For example it gives examples that sometimes feeling males (this refers to base function) put their intuition or sensing on overdrive and distort their types. I suppose this may happen to thinking females too.
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    It is not really difficult to identify EIE-Fe as it is the base subtype of EIE. However, most of them tend to misidentify themselves, possibly as an ESE (drama-avoidant), LSE (conscientiousness), LIE (competency), SEE (cult-alike behavior) or even SLE (charismatic leader archetype), mostly due to their inclination of using these activities as a mean to gather power (Se schedule). Therefore, no wonder that they might come off as rather less melancholic or dramatic akin to their subtype counterpart, EIE-Ni. But eventually, 4D Fe does, in fact, exist on them and it is noticeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazaam View Post
    What. I'm confused. Wouldn't eie-Fe be the more noticeable one? Because Fe in a vacuum is drag queen and show-y and stereotypically 'gay?' And Ni is spacey and introverted etc. I realize that's kind of Alive-ish thinking but could u please elaborate on why u think EIE-Fe is less noticeable?
    I'm guessing its the "need for deep purpose" drives them into more frontier like places away from crowds.

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    @Miss Messy I know that they pretty much always tend to type themselves as feelers, but they can appear more like the types I mentioned in my OP of this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disturbed View Post
    I didn't want to put this in the Beta section because I think it's a topic that deserves more visibility and discussion.

    Anyway, it's taken me a long time to finally conclude this, but EIE-Fe tend to vary more from one another and are easily mistaken for other types (SLE-Ti, ILE, SLI, and even their LSI-Se duals come to mind, but especially SLE), whereas like 80% of EIE-Ni are easily identifiable as EIE-Ni (I knew one who was an asshole and could easily be confused for his conflictor in one photo, he looked like Jeff Daniels, but I noticed he was an EIE-Ni as soon as I meet him).

    EIE-Fe keep themselves at a distance more and they're less emotionally expressive, less sentimental, less biased, as adults they seem to not want to cause a bad emotional atmosphere. They're far more skeptical of stereotypes, and well, everything. They're greater skepticism probably causes them to participate in groups, new activities, competitions, etc., less so they get a lot less visibility. But even when taking into account the Fe subtypes lower visibility, they're still less common.
    Disturbed, is there any chance you might be actually talking about SLEs you mistook for EIE-Fe? Some SLE are warm and opinionated but in an upfront, ‘tough love’ way.

    The EIE even the ‘serious’ variant can at times look like they could unleash a killer comment on you but refrain at the last minute but the SLE will go ahead and give it to you. The SLE-Ti will be more serious but still ‘move’ people and things at their will with the right tone of voice or sudden decision. A good number of SLEs will curse less delicately than EIEs. They will have moments of honesty that you won't be expecting. EIEs will try and save some honor and privacy; SLEs can tell you they think one of their family members is a worthless idiot verbatim only hours after they've met you. To differentiate between EIEs and SLEs check for more resolute changes of topic or direction of action by the SLEs, along with unexpected honesty moments with little regard to ‘dignity’. Another more shallow detail that might help you: SLEs will set their unmoving eyes on you more shamelessly than EIEs. I don't know if I can help you about LSI-Se. Up and close their paradoxical ‘shy introvert but aggressor erotic style’ nature is evident with most of them but if you're trying to decide on a celebrity then yes, it can get confusing.


    I see where you're coming from with this but for IEIs the distinction should be easier. EIE-Fe to me tend to be recognizable particularly if they're gay men. Provided that it's the right subtype meaning all vectors align then I can have endless conversations and interaction but it's just so obvious they're ethicals.

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    Real question: Why does anyone ever get mistyped as anything? Of course, the first answer to this is Jack from WSS and the second is Gulenko and the third is Aushra Augustinavichiute and fourth is Carl Gustav Jung.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disturbed View Post
    I didn't want to put this in the Beta section because I think it's a topic that deserves more visibility and discussion.

    Anyway, it's taken me a long time to finally conclude this, but EIE-Fe tend to vary more from one another and are easily mistaken for other types (SLE-Ti, ILE, SLI, and even their LSI-Se duals come to mind, but especially SLE), whereas like 80% of EIE-Ni are easily identifiable as EIE-Ni (I knew one who was an asshole and could easily be confused for his conflictor in one photo, he looked like Jeff Daniels, but I noticed he was an EIE-Ni as soon as I meet him).

    EIE-Fe keep themselves at a distance more and they're less emotionally expressive, less sentimental, less biased, as adults they seem to not want to cause a bad emotional atmosphere. They're far more skeptical of stereotypes, and well, everything. They're greater skepticism probably causes them to participate in groups, new activities, competitions, etc., less so they get a lot less visibility. But even when taking into account the Fe subtypes lower visibility, they're still less common.
    My guess is that the answer will be that it's because you're LSI-Ti and they are your duals. So maybe you have a sortof "reaction formation" (look it up, you can also check out E1 in ennegram having that mechanism), for a "negative bias" so you won't identify them easily with your logic. Just a gut feeling here lol. Plus with you having little Fe yourself it would make sense that you find it hard to form a consistent big picture of it to identify EIE-Fe's. Which would make it like, the EIE-Fe's seem more variable to you than people of other types.

    I can't imagine how an EIE-Fe can be mistaken for SLI, anyhow. I noticed you listed Logical types as alternatives, so I still think it's got to do with your personal perception of the EIE-Fe's as LSI-Ti

    I personally would be unsure sometimes if someone that seems to resemble ExE-Fe is ESE or EIE, but I don't really have a huge problem noticing the Fe subtype of either EIE or ESE. It's not harder for me to see EIE-Fe than e.g. EIE-Ni. Sometimes I'm not sure if someone is SLE or EIE or ESE, either. But that's just them having sorta similar traits in some cases that can blur too much together

    As far as EIE-Fe vs logical types though...I have known one EIE-Fe that got ENTJ on an MBTI test and he believed the test word by word or something, so he would present himself afterwards as "I'm ENTJ in MBTI, though I am a very sensitive guy". And yes he's very clearly a people person and sometimes has serious issues with logic (I have personally found it embarrassing before, lol).

    My EIE-Fe brother also got ENTJ in MBTI. I don't know what's up with that, he's again the biggest "Feeler" ever, lol.

    I do have my own question to you: How do you identify EIE-Ni's, especially compared to IEI-Fe?


    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    Disturbed, is there any chance you might be actually talking about SLEs you mistook for EIE-Fe? Some SLE are warm and opinionated but in an upfront, ‘tough love’ way.

    The EIE even the ‘serious’ variant can at times look like they could unleash a killer comment on you but refrain at the last minute but the SLE will go ahead and give it to you. The SLE-Ti will be more serious but still ‘move’ people and things at their will with the right tone of voice or sudden decision. A good number of SLEs will curse less delicately than EIEs. They will have moments of honesty that you won't be expecting. EIEs will try and save some honor and privacy; SLEs can tell you they think one of their family members is a worthless idiot verbatim only hours after they've met you. To differentiate between EIEs and SLEs check for more resolute changes of topic or direction of action by the SLEs, along with unexpected honesty moments with little regard to ‘dignity’. Another more shallow detail that might help you: SLEs will set their unmoving eyes on you more shamelessly than EIEs. I don't know if I can help you about LSI-Se. Up and close their paradoxical ‘shy introvert but aggressor erotic style’ nature is evident with most of them but if you're trying to decide on a celebrity then yes, it can get confusing.

    I see where you're coming from with this but for IEIs the distinction should be easier. EIE-Fe to me tend to be recognizable particularly if they're gay men. Provided that it's the right subtype meaning all vectors align then I can have endless conversations and interaction but it's just so obvious they're ethicals.
    Ok just to be sure, how do you differentiate between gay IEI-Fe and gay EIE-Fe men? I've known some gay men and I'm thinking about your comment so I'm asking

    And another question if you don't mind, you mention "more resolute changes of topic or direction of action" for SLE compared to EIE.... How about compared to LSI-Se?
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    PS. What kind of higher variance do you see in EIE-Fe people compared to e.g. EIE-Ni? Like what traits seem to vary more, or is it their visible looks, and so on?

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    @seeking itI haven't observed anyone in person I know for sure to be IEI-Fe, the only person I think who probably have was very different from EIE-Ni, she was much more playful. But the IEI-Fe on this forum seem similar, but less unhappy than EIE-Ni.

    EIE-Fe seem to me to vary more between each other in that they're more original, the things they use including what they wear, their sense of humor, how much they let it out, it's related to their greater independence.

    Also, I know it was in a different thread in which you mentioned you knew you definitely weren't LSI-Ti and I meant to ask you how you knew??? Thank you. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disturbed View Post
    @seeking itI haven't observed anyone in person I know for sure to be IEI-Fe, the only person I think who probably have was very different from EIE-Ni, she was much more playful. But the IEI-Fe on this forum seem similar, but less unhappy than EIE-Ni.

    EIE-Fe seem to me to vary more between each other in that they're more original, the things they use including what they wear, their sense of humor, how much they let it out, it's related to their greater independence.
    I see, thanks for the info.


    Also, I know it was in a different thread in which you mentioned you knew you definitely weren't LSI-Ti and I meant to ask you how you knew??? Thank you. Sorry.
    I know because reading the LSI-Ti profiles, I go like "nah that's not me". I relate to LSI-Se and some SLE profiles way more. I'm SLE-ish next to LSI-Ti friend. He seeks (is attracted to) my Fe (my emotional expressions cheering him up or riling him up sometimes ) and I seek his Ni (his interesting, reflective thoughts). And in the worst ever period of my life I emulated unhealthy LSI-Ti but I did not feel like myself at all, it killed me, I need Se too to be truly myself

    To be specific:

    - I cannot and will not go at every situation with thorough logic. I'm not patient like that and I easily see a holistic big picture (sensory, not intuitive). So I don't need a lot of analysis and I don't need to make detailed plans in advance for anything in everyday life
    - I'm not completely emotionally constricted like LSI-Ti's who cannot at all show big emotional expression without help & I don't look so cold
    - I pay a lot of attention to appearance, sensory stuff, I like to get extravagant
    - "Forceful" was the first adjective I learnt about myself (people pointed it out often enough ). I've toned myself down since then, so now I more often get told "you're so logical" but yeah. That forceful side is still with me.
    - I don't have a problem getting a little impulsive, I'm not that linear in doing tasks if I have to do more than one task, and I easily express controlled anger
    - I take a little time to switch to "total logic mode". I have to gradually turn off all emotion before I can be just detail oriented, 100% thoroughly logical and analytical to do certain tasks. I can do that all day if I need to, but I'd die if I had to be just that for the rest of my life. And I cannot do it on the move. I have to sit alone to be able to do this. On the move I don't need the constant, thorough detailed analysis
    - I'm not at all a reflective person
    - I'm not socially extraverted but I can go out and socialise pretty long and I'm happy to quickly get adventurous with the right company


    A couple of other observations of mine:

    1. For dual seeking, I don't purely rely on Fe. I seek Ni just as much. LSI-Ti's can talk about feelings in a really sophisticated intellectual way, and it's like very important to them. I can't do that and I don't care like they do. I care a lot about Ni too instead of just caring about Fe. By which I mean I like to talk about how I SO highly value things that relate to Ni but I don't like to talk about how Fe is important to me. I don't like to talk about it like that and don't think that way either. Fe (expression of emotions, an openly kind, loving world) is important but not as integrated into my worldview compared to the importance of Ni stuff (meaningful lofty goals, meaning of things, certain deep idealism, principles etc).

    2. In the worst period of my life, I temporarily became (an unhealthy) LSI-Ti but it made me very unhappy. That's pretty good proof for me not being one, lol. I really did not feel like myself anymore....

    I think an LSI-Ti would've tolerated that lifestyle more, always just working and compulsively organising things constantly and being withdrawn like that and playing 100% homebody. I was withdrawn and playing homebody because I was sitting on my ass being in my head trying to connect the invisible dots for my sensory perceptions and experiences, to see the broader implications and big picture to solve my problems. This was very hard for me as I suck at reflecting so I used written resources, emailed certain people etc. And I was 100% unemotional (other than rage that I would try to let out only when alone, in secret), not being able to release my emotions, let go and have fun etc. I also hated having less adaptability and less energy (I still had some though, I was not true LSI-Ti).

    For the second worst period of my life I was openly aggressive and hostile (physically too), I enjoyed being that way more (unhealthy LSI-Se).

    Btw, SLE is less likely for me also because I think even an SLE-Ti would not have overused logic, organisation or detailed rules (Ti) like that. I got wayyyy too withdrawn to be overly impulsive or do some dumb thing out of impulsiveness. I just focused on achieving my goals to survive and not notice anything else in my way. I lost too much access to adaptability (Se). Unless there was some little "emergency" situation where I could still activate my adaptability, I'd get stuck in logical details, organising things, and linear logical reasoning (Ti) more rather than get too impulsive (Se).


    That's all that came to mind right away, let me know if you have any more questions and also why did you ask?
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    @seeking itThank you! Well, I do fit many of those ways you mentioned how you believe you're more like LSI-Se than LSI-Ti, in fact, I'm pretty impulsive, very non-detailed at times and I do show my emotions, it's just that I have bad coordination so if I try to show my emotions it looks kind of cringey... but I've always been a very emotional person and I often didn't try to rationalize them, especially when I was little. Acting is actually one of the careers I'm more open to, but I would have to coordinate my movements well. I asked because because I really usually love Beta ST creative function subtype people and I'm kind of curious about them. I'm fine with other LSI-Ti sometimes, depends on how inventive and beautiful they are.
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    I have to watch what I say around EIE
    Where they are out to describe others behavior with an emotional tinge which includes a possible judgment of what they are doing that’s right/wrong
    I keep sucking the reference point to myself and saying “I “ “I “ “I “

    No one cares about me I have to be more objective lol

    Also yes Fe is needed in the world “to be around intensity of emotions”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disturbed View Post
    @seeking itThank you! Well, I do fit many of those ways you mentioned how you believe you're more like LSI-Se than LSI-Ti, in fact, I'm pretty impulsive, very non-detailed at times and I do show my emotions, it's just that I have bad coordination so if I try to show my emotions it looks kind of cringey... but I've always been a very emotional person and I often didn't try to rationalize them, especially when I was little. Acting is actually one of the careers I'm more open to, but I would have to coordinate my movements well. I asked because because I really usually love Beta ST creative function subtype people and I'm kind of curious about them. I'm fine with other LSI-Ti sometimes, depends on how inventive and beautiful they are.
    No problem. Just to clarify, I would not say that I'm very non-detailed "at times". I am BY DEFAULT non-detailed about logic stuff. I do not view myself as a very emotional person, I find Ti subs identify more with Fe dual seeking like I said above. That degree of identifying with being emotional is a bit foreign to me. Where I said I'm not emotionally constricted like Ti subs, I meant I am more able to spontaneously show emotional expression and I show it in a more natural way than they do (it's not cringey; but I am sure you are not cringey either ), but internally they seem to identify with emotions, feelings more than I do...stronger Fi, weaker - yet more "extremely" valued/sought - Fe compared to me?

    My LSI-Ti friend is pretty inventive for example with music btw. He built his own electric organ and stuff.

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