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    This was my previous definitions of the functions.

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    Here's a clarification.

    Se: you have two (or more) objects, so you can get a shape.

    Ne: you have an object and a shape, so you can guess an object. Ne includes association and metaphor.

    Si: you have two (or more) objects, so you can figure out causality.

    Ni: you have an object and causality, so you can visualize an outcome/effect or a cause.
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    How do your definitions address the relationships between the IM elements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    How do your definitions address the relationships between the IM elements?
    What do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petter View Post
    What do you mean?
    Like how do Se and Ni conflict with Ne and Si? Or why does Si complement Ne? This is part of what socionics predicts, so your definitions should at least attempt to explain why this is the case. Otherwise there is little reason to prefer them over Augusta's definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Like how do Se and Ni conflict with Ne and Si?
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ific?p=1311924

    You: "conflicting elements such as Te and Ti, Fe and Fi, etc."

    I don't think this is Socionics. Or did you mean "conflicting elements such as Te and Fe, Ti and Fi"? (ego <--> super-ego)

    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Functions

    Or why does Si complement Ne? This is part of what socionics predicts, so your definitions should at least attempt to explain why this is the case. Otherwise there is little reason to prefer them over Augusta's definitions.
    There is an attraction between SLI and IEE, ILI and SEE etc, so Socionics is at least partially right about Duality. But does Si actually complement Ne?

    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...ed_and_Subdued

    Valued functions are essentially what make up the foundation of our socionic type (Ego functions 1 and 2), and the processes that complement that foundation (Super-id functions 5 and 6). Every person actively seeks to process information based on these functions, and warmly create a sense of connection to others who value similar functions. The more valued functions in common means the closer the general compatibility between two types. These functions are what make up the quadra values of the types.

    Subdued functions are the remaining four functions that oppose our preferences; as a result we try to limit the use of these functions. The mental-subdued (weak) functions are found in the Super-ego block (functions 3 and 4), and the vital-subdued (strong) functions are in the Id block (functions 7 and 8). Since these functions are what we suppress as much as we can, in situations where we must use them they tend to produce dissatisfaction and distress in ourselves. Subdued functions are sometimes called non-valued although some socionists prefer not to use this name.

    I think this is an inaccurate description of the functions. Super-ego functions are sensitive to criticism, though. But that is because they are weak and conscious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petter View Post
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ific?p=1311924

    You: "conflicting elements such as Te and Ti, Fe and Fi, etc."

    I don't think this is Socionics. Or did you mean "conflicting elements such as Te and Fe, Ti and Fi"? (ego <--> super-ego)

    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Functions
    Te conflicts with both Ti and Fe, since Ti and Fe are always found together as values.

    There is an attraction between SLI and IEE, ILI and SEE etc, so Socionics is at least partially right about Duality. But does Si actually complement Ne?

    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...ed_and_Subdued

    Valued functions are essentially what make up the foundation of our socionic type (Ego functions 1 and 2), and the processes that complement that foundation (Super-id functions 5 and 6). Every person actively seeks to process information based on these functions, and warmly create a sense of connection to others who value similar functions. The more valued functions in common means the closer the general compatibility between two types. These functions are what make up the quadra values of the types.

    Subdued functions are the remaining four functions that oppose our preferences; as a result we try to limit the use of these functions. The mental-subdued (weak) functions are found in the Super-ego block (functions 3 and 4), and the vital-subdued (strong) functions are in the Id block (functions 7 and 8). Since these functions are what we suppress as much as we can, in situations where we must use them they tend to produce dissatisfaction and distress in ourselves. Subdued functions are sometimes called non-valued although some socionists prefer not to use this name.

    I think this is an inaccurate description of the functions. Super-ego functions are sensitive to criticism, though. But that is because they are weak and conscious.
    umm so how do you explain duality (and quadras, if you believe in them)? Why should those types attract each other if not for their functional makeup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Te conflicts with both Ti and Fe, since Ti and Fe are always found together as values.
    So you are saying that the Creative function conflicts with the Demonstrative function. Hmm... I think you put too much emphasis on quadra values.

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-of-the-Psyche

    "A person uses this element mainly as a kind of game, or to ridicule those who he thinks take it too seriously. They often intentionally go against its conventional usage simply to prove a point in favor of their creative function. However, this function is used quite often in private, to produce information of its element to support their creative function when focusing on making contact with the external world."

    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...e=Alpha_Quadra

    "Alpha types tend to enjoy participating in groups where there is free exchange of positive emotional expression in an atmosphere pleasing to the senses."

    "Alpha types tend to feel energized in the positive atmosphere of special events, such as public holidays, parties and special celebrations." etc

    This is true for all quadras. I am very skeptical of quadra values.

    umm so how do you explain duality (and quadras, if you believe in them)? Why should those types attract each other if not for their functional makeup?
    My view is that ILI, for example, values both SiFe and FiSe. The difference is that FiSe are weak and Vital functions, so they are largely ignored. This causes problems, but SEE can help the ILI.

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