Why?Originally Posted by Aleksei
Being Serious doesn't necessarily mean being serious. The Te is in the structure of the civilization. Everything is well-ordered and everyone knows what their specific place is in society.
I explained that already.
What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Okay, so Aragorn is ESI. That makes sense.
I've been rereading the trilogy while focusing on socionics.
How does Delta ST sound for Legolas? Are there any other suggestions?
Are there any suggestions regarding Gimli besides SEE?
If Boromir is LSE and Faramir is EII, what options are there for Eowyn?
Are there any suggestions for Theoden, Eomer, Arwen, Elrond, or Galadriel? This is about the books, not the movies.
If Boromir is LSE and Faramir is EII, what type would Denethor be considering he perfers Boromir and is more similar to Faramir?
Legolas is SEI in the movie.
Really? I thought he was more serious than that. SEI-Si is possible for the books, but a-valuing elf is not normal.
He was serious and silent, but also Te-PoLR + even though he was in the background, he showed more warmth, emotion and active ethical will than an SLI would. Partly due to the SEI actor. Si dominant is definitely the best bet.
Ah. That's why I'm typing the books, not the movies.
Legolas and Gimli are ESI-SEE mirrors. They're quite Serious, but I see no Si valuation from either of them.
ESI -- his kindred.If Boromir is LSE and Faramir is EII, what options are there for Eowyn?
Theoden- LIE-Te.Are there any suggestions for Theoden, Eomer, Arwen, Elrond, or Galadriel? This is about the books, not the movies.
Arwen- Possibly Aragorn's kindred, like Faramir is to Eowyn, but she might be another ESI (Fi-subtype to Aragorn's Se-subtype in that case -- she's less imposing than he is).
Elrond- Obvious LIE-Ni is obvious.
Eomer- I... actually have no idea. LSE?
...maybe ESI-Se?If Boromir is LSE and Faramir is EII, what type would Denethor be considering he perfers Boromir and is more similar to Faramir?
Last edited by Aleksei; 11-02-2010 at 04:26 PM.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Aleksei likes ESIs.
Mirrors would make sense for their relationship, but could you give an example of Legolas showing
Why is that the only option for Eowyn? What makes her rational instead of irrational?
I thought Arwen was a logical type. What stops us from making her Aragorn's dual? Not much is known of her.
For Denethor: plausible. He's not an alpha and seems to value
LIE for Elrond and LSE for Eomer make sense. Anyone else have input? How about Galadriel? I'd say she's a sensor.
I definitely agree with ESI for Aragorn.
Aragorn
Well, just fyi, the whole time I've been trying to base my typings off of the movie because of its prominence in these types of discussions.
As for Arwen I'd think EII. What makes you think she's a logical type? (unless you're still not talking about the movie, then never mind completely)
That explains why you think Gandalf is EII. He's not in the books.
Gamma SFs are awesome. They're Knight Templars par excellence.
\Mirrors would make sense for their relationship, but could you give an example of Legolas showing
He's a very take-charge, action-oriented sort of person. The type who seems to need immediate results.
It's not so much that she's obviously rational, so much as it is that she's obviously Ethical, obviously Fi, and I'd say probably introverted rather than extroverted. That, and given that Eowyn is a Sensory Ethical type (and Faramir an Intuitive Ethical), kindred makes the most sense for her intertype relation with Faramir.Why is that the only option for Eowyn? What makes her rational instead of irrational?
Arwen is no Logical type, at all. She's obsessively sentimental, delaying eternal life for ZOMGZ TRUE WUV.I thought Arwen was a logical type. What stops us from making her Aragorn's dual? Not much is known of her.
And please do note that good romance does not necessarily equate with duality. Activation, mirror, identical, and kindred romances are very ideal as well.
Intertype relations. Beta means conflicting quadras with both of his kids. Plus, given that he likes Boromir and hates Faramir, the most plausible type-related explanation is that he likes Te (Te-suggestive), and hates Ne (Ne-PoLR).For Denethor: plausible. He's not an alpha and seems to value
Galadriel is SEE-Fi.
Last edited by Aleksei; 11-03-2010 at 02:19 PM.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
I can't see gandalf as an Ij type. He's likely ILI-Ni IMO.
Good guess. He seems to be right at home with this SEE:
Frodo: EII
Sam:ISFx
Gandalf: IEI or ILI
Aragorn:LSI
Merry:ILE
Pippin:IEE-Fi
Boromir:SxE-Se
Legolas:ESI-Se
Gimli:SEE-Se
Galadriel:IEI-Ni
Elrond:ILI
Arwen:ESI
Gollum:crazy ESI-Se
Theoden:SLI-Te
Eowyn:ESI
Faramir:ESI
Saruman:ILI-Te
Sauron:LIE-Te or ILI-Te
Not sure about Eomer, Grima, Denethor, Bilbo, Treebeard
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Seems right, I'll put Frodo as Intuitive, likely delta NF. And yes I think all hobbits are Si valuing.
Gandalf as NT could be. For some reason I think he values Si (maybe because he enjoys hobbits).
Legolas seem beta introvert.
I'm not sure about Arween, I'll say INFx.
Bilbo ESI
Galadriel is a clear EII-Fi 1w2 so/sp.
Sauron is ILE-Ne. He was too cunning and manipulative for LIE-Te or ILI and the connections he made between things were too remote and tenuous for LIE cognition -- he was obsessed by the possibility of forging the rings and led astray by his grand plans.
I don't remember the other characters.
Frodo: EII-Fi 1w2
Sam: SEI-Si 2w1
Pippin: IEE-Fi 7w6
Merry: SLI 9w8
Aragorn: LSE-Si 8w9
Legolas: ESI-Fi 3w2
Boromir: SLE-Ti 6w7
Gimli: SEE-Se 7w8
Faramir: IEI-Fe 4w5
Gandalf: ILE-Ti 7w6
Saruman: ILI-Ni 5w6
Arwen: ILI-Te 5w4
Galadriel: ESI-Fi 4w3
Denethor SLI 1w9
Eowyn: ESI-Se 6w5
Elrond: LSI-Ti 1w2
Gollum: EII-Ne 1w2, like to think of him as the dark side of frodo
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