Got the sp/sx metaphor too for comparison?Originally Posted by Ghost
Got the sp/sx metaphor too for comparison?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Buddhism)
from enneasite.comsp/sx (Hell) = acultural solipsism ~ counterculture original, underbelly exposure, smoldering mysterian, the fermenting underground, cool & detached
its that. i'm not sp/sx so i can't explainbesides that sp firsts can stay with things they hate for long, to have financial security which theyre obsessed with. it makes sense though. sp/sx doesnt have the soc instinct so they dont care what society think + theyre contraflow hence they are the darkest stacking.
i tried to find something that he wrote on forums and i found this:
bL- I agree with sx/sp having an underlying drive to infect on a person-to-person level. With sp/sx, the pull toward exposing the underbelly of society and humanity (sometimes through the context of person-to-person scenarios), starting an atrophy cycle that melts established social forms at an elemental level.
For me, that points again to the correlation between sx/sp and Hungry Ghosts, and sp/sx with Hell. Hungry ghosts is hyper-personal and has a heart-connected quality to it (a victim of the plague of yearning), while sp/sx is about the place, somehow haunting the larger sphere/setting; the World as Hell.
Makes a bit of sense. I did notice they are pretty dark.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Buddhism)
from enneasite.com
its that. i'm not sp/sx so i can't explain
i tried to find something that he wrote on forums and i found this:
Both sp/sx and sx/sp are dark, it's just sx/sp is more drawn to people/individuals so it automatically makes them less antisocial in a way, lol.
"sx/sp and sp/sx are significantly missing the Social elements of fresh air and sunlight. Looking at them there’s a kind of shrouded/hooded quality, something of a cave-dweller or a Death theme in some form. ‹ Take away air, quickly comes Death. ›The obliviousness to the collective good (Social-last) contributes to the shadowy/cloaked quality of these stackings — there’s an unintelligence about social stigma that can take people of these two stackings deep into ‘alternative’ territories. The aspect of Social that’s compelled to define people into clear roles that connect into a bigger picture is missing here. So, an upside in these two stackings is that communications can be more personal, contactful and intimate because the aura of the collective isn’t brought into one-to-one exchanges in the way it inadvertently is with those who aren’t social-last. This friend-of-the-dark quality can translate to a capacity to work, hands on (figuratively-speaking), in the muck of psyche, and linger long in a non-judgmental attitude with other people’s ugly/corrupt underbellies and issues, potentially even spilling themselves into others’ dark sides."
That's why I said it's the darkest stacking...
Theoretically, yeah. It doesn't always manifest like that irl though. I've met sx/sp's that are much darker and fucked up than sp/sx's, because of their riskiness.
@Lustghost Well with dark I don't mean fucked up. I mean reclusive, shrouded. Sp/sx have no problem having no partner or friends at all while sx/sp wants that and is somewhat social.
sx/sp(hungry ghosts) = urgent bonding / ‘unfortunate’ belonging ~ the perpetually orthogonal embrace of the seeker/searcher
sp/sx(Hell) = acultural solipsism ~ counterculture original, underbelly exposure, smoldering mysterian, the fermenting underground, cool & detached
Are Sx types more likely to complain about not being passionate enough or having no one to chase or nothing to become addicted to? Do Dispassionate Sp types notice their lack of care for intensity or total interest and absorption in something or is it just natural and something that doesnt conflict with their Sp instinct?
How does one decide between Sp/Sx and Sx/Sp if they are a core 4?
It's important to note that Sp is the counter-type 4.
The second function is used as a tool to attain the first function, no?
How?
Which type would be more "Sx-y" when single compared to when partnered? (openly, as in more antics on social media to satisfy Sx needs when single, etc)
Here you go, @TrappedEscapist: https://oceanmoonshine9.wordpress.com/four-stacks/
Nice avatar pic, incidentally.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 11-16-2017 at 03:31 AM.
Yes, thank you, I have read through that.
I am not sure how "volatile" I am. Definitely a bit, but not sure I am the most volatile of the enneagram. I need more concrete examples. I'd like to make sure that I understand how the instincts interact with one another so that I can refine my understanding that way.
?? - accurate? :
Btw I don't find any of the instincts "selfish." It's where your brain/sense of self "lives." No one can "help it"
I'm definitely complaining! Ohohooo, there's a lot to get addicted to, there's porn, there're flix, there're video games. But my complaint is on people. Not only most people are not passionate enough but nowadays in the world of smartphones, facebook, etc. they're also very snide, guileful and disloyal as well. I mean the socials because if they weren't the majority, than we wouldn't have this infrastructure, these networks of technology that put the individual on a narcissistic pedestal and instead of reinforcing a stronger social cohesion, they make people more distant. As an Sx/Sp 6 I'm often left ghosted, hanging, given the silent treatment. Maybe anxious attachment style is a reason, maybe it transpires, as much as diplomatic I try to be. And no, online forums are even bigger a mess when it comes to ordering people into categories, allowing them to tag themselves with labels of types. Most people are social, the forums are all about cliques and nobody is what they indicate themselves to be. So the hunger continues...
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Hunger, need, drive, yearning, obsession, compulsion, consumed, empty, pull, lust, addiction. . . all sx descriptive terms imo. And yes like you said, a lot of socials do type as sx "I post provocative pictures on social media to get lots of likes, I must be sx" "I want everyone to like me and find me attractive, I must be sx" "I'm horny, I must be sx" etc etc. when it's social instinct driving them in the first two cases, and while the third is literally about sex, sex itself is also a physical sp need and a social bonding need, and not really the same thing as having a life focus towards sx instinct. Sx in an sx/sp is like an addict finding their drug of choice, really dialed-in, involved, consumed, nothing else in the world even exists kind of thing.
I agree with InnerLust that being casual about an instinct points to it being your secondary. You don't have any weird hangups or problems with the second one, it's the one place where you're normal and balanced about stuff. You can engage in it or not, and either way it's a choice and not a big deal.
And @lemontrees, yeah I think that quote is probably accurate. It makes sense anyway.
But this is an outrage! The whole thing has been co-opted and there's no good admin or mod or anyone to create order out of this mess. Right now the forums are just good for signaling and venting. You hope if you put out your "type," then others will notice. There's no cohesion, no cooperation, no "let's see what we all want and make it democratic." And the way I see it is that this was supposed to be a system, a "science," even if a bit too empirical and based on emotional intuitions - but precisely because of that it invites a lot of "wannabe artist" types. People who fancy to be special. Who want an identity. Who want to show they have feelings, they don't just get drunk and copulate without a reason. They want to be dignified. Mysticism, esoteria, arcane spirituality to make you feel as if you had a spirit. Hence, there are not enough HEAD TYPES on the forum. Not enough principled people to build an architecture that could guide people to their own folk. There's no one accounting for the whole SPECTRUM, the demography of the forums just represents one TINY SLICE of the variety out there. People have to understand that like attracts like and similar "ISTJs" band together in some area, while other varieties (e.g. not into typology) in other areas. There's no wonder why you may grow to RESENT YOUR OWN TYPE in a forum - one reason being they've mistyped; the other that the demography lacks insight on subvarieties. In fact, some subtypes may conflict with others, you may not want me on your forum because we have different agendas. And seeing how libertarian or intersectional-conservative it established itself, the people attracted here will not want rules or limitations. (oh and btw, you might be Sp blind spot)
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