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    Meh, it's all very rough and doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.
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    Probably not. People have probably always been doing this, or a variation of this.

    I've always found it creepy, though. Waaaaayyy back when I was a teenager, girls would pass photographs around of the guys they fancied. I distinctly remember someone saying: "He's cute, but his legs are too short." This was exactly the way girls talked about their favourite horses. Or the way people talk about dogs. The poor lad probably never knew he flunked the girlie equivalent of Crufts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schrödinger's cat View Post
    Probably not. People have probably always been doing this, or a variation of this.

    I've always found it creepy, though. Waaaaayyy back when I was a teenager, girls would pass photographs around of the guys they fancied. I distinctly remember someone saying: "He's cute, but his legs are too short." This was exactly the way girls talked about their favourite horses. Or the way people talk about dogs. The poor lad probably never knew he flunked the girlie equivalent of Crufts.
    that really is fucking creepy.
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    Seriously.. "his legs are too short"?!?

    For guys it boils down to cute face, not cute face, hot body, not hot body, and whatever combinations and permutations thereof.
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    Ok, I know what you guys mean about too much makeup and obsession with looks and stuff, but I find with just a little makeup I feel so much more confident. It makes a huge difference if I just even out my skin tone a bit and use a natural looking mascara.

    Right. AND I have to throw this in....when you get older (like me!) a little make up can really help. I have much higher self-esteem now than I did as a teen and I use more make up just because I need to even out my skin tone. I never wore much at all in high school or college but it really does improve things at this, um, stage of life. LOL
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    "Rating" women? WTF?
    When I was a kid I had an ISTp friend and he liked to rate girls. I remember he used car models to rate them.
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    A remember being 'rated' in junior high. Some asshole would stand at the front of the bus and each girl that got off, he'd rate. I believe I probobly got a -10 and the comment I looked like a man. bwhahaha.

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    Fuck that's harsh.

    On a lighter note, No wonder guys are so messed up..

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    Haha. I would rate jess higher than -10

    Back in school we used to rate women as fish. "dont worry mate she was a flounder, what you're looking for is whiting"
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    Quote Originally Posted by meatburger View Post
    Haha. I would rate jess higher than -10

    Back in school we used to rate women as fish. "dont worry mate she was a flounder, what you're looking for is whiting"
    Haha, that's slightly aggravating but still funny. God knows girls do the same, if worse to guys ... we do rate them & talk crap, so it's not really right for us to complain.


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    "...I never could see any beauty in her. Her face is too thin; her complexion has no brilliancy; and her features are not at all handsome. Her nose wants character... .

    Her teeth are tolerable, but not out of the common way; and as for her eyes, ... I never could perceive any thing extraordinary in them.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    well, they've done studies that state self-image/self esteem sinks as make-up usage rises. from what i remember about what i read, they surveyed a lot of women and the more often they used make-up/more they focused on their image, the lower their self-image generally was.
    I was reading an article about how one of the new views in psychology is that this trend is related to globalization because people are comparing themselves to one another more and more as they try to find where they fit on the social ladder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    Just about any woman can be that attractive with some makeup and general knowledge on how to take care of yourself.
    it goes far beyond makeup with the use of photoshop. they create ideal images and models that exist only on cover photographs. that messes with both men's and women's perception and standards of beauty. men notice that none of the girlfriends compare. women are pressed to get plastic surgery which has been on the rise every year


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    I don't see any of you mentioning porn. It's what every male uses instead of real women now... More gay and lesbian sex these days, seems like less between the genders. Or there's entirely too much, in some peoples cases. For both genders I automatically assume you are homosexual until you demonstrate otherwise. Then people mutilating their genitals to become the other sex... why? Bottom line is we're just fucked in the head and I wish I could just go back to being celibate but organically I can't do that.
    This is all a result of democracy. Women in power.
    Women are constantly using their pussies to manipulate mens every move.
    As a man how do you deny them of control? THey manipulate your biology just visually. You can't even escape this shit.
    Is it such a wonder men are driven to rape when they are constantly, incessantly being teased and denied?
    Stop fucking with mens heads you manipulative, psychotic lesbian cunts.
    It is like a jungle you have to wade through with your cock as a machete.
    Fuck, I just want to... strangle one of them.
    Not really.
    I know the solution. Take the power back by force. That is the solution... it will happen... just keep waiting holding out for it. Communism is on its way and I am welcoming it in. I will join the government if it's a communist regime. Time to burn this all to the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rat1 View Post
    This is all a result of democracy. Women in power.
    Women are constantly using their pussies to manipulate mens every move.
    As a man how do you deny them of control? THey manipulate your biology just visually. You can't even escape this shit.
    Is it such a wonder men are driven to rape when they are constantly, incessantly being teased and denied?
    Stop fucking with mens heads you manipulative, psychotic lesbian cunts.
    It is like a jungle you have to wade through with your cock as a machete.
    Fuck, I just want to... strangle one of them.
    Not really.
    I know the solution. Take the power back by force. That is the solution... it will happen... just keep waiting holding out for it. Communism is on its way and I am welcoming it in. I will join the government if it's a communist regime.
    if you feel that women are manipulating your every move then quit thinking and obsessing about pussy so much. get some other interests and hobbies in your life. convert your sexual energy to creative work. you're failing your own cause through this whining and resignation of your power over to your "pussy" obsession.

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    Here was me thinking that all of the 'wonder girls' were messed up.

    How misinformed was I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rat1 View Post
    I don't see any of you mentioning porn. It's what every male uses instead of real women now... More gay and lesbian sex these days, seems like less between the genders. Or there's entirely too much, in some peoples cases. For both genders I automatically assume you are homosexual until you demonstrate otherwise. Then people mutilating their genitals to become the other sex... why? Bottom line is we're just fucked in the head and I wish I could just go back to being celibate but organically I can't do that.
    This is all a result of democracy. Women in power.
    Women are constantly using their pussies to manipulate mens every move.
    As a man how do you deny them of control? THey manipulate your biology just visually. You can't even escape this shit.
    Is it such a wonder men are driven to rape when they are constantly, incessantly being teased and denied?
    Stop fucking with mens heads you manipulative, psychotic lesbian cunts.
    It is like a jungle you have to wade through with your cock as a machete.
    Fuck, I just want to... strangle one of them.
    Not really.
    I know the solution. Take the power back by force. That is the solution... it will happen... just keep waiting holding out for it. Communism is on its way and I am welcoming it in. I will join the government if it's a communist regime. Time to burn this all to the ground.
    You sure do talk about rape a lot.

    I think you'd enjoy prison. no pussy power and tons of rape. pop in for a visit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rat1 View Post
    I don't see any of you mentioning porn. It's what every male uses instead of real women now... More gay and lesbian sex these days, seems like less between the genders. Or there's entirely too much, in some peoples cases. For both genders I automatically assume you are homosexual until you demonstrate otherwise. Then people mutilating their genitals to become the other sex... why? Bottom line is we're just fucked in the head and I wish I could just go back to being celibate but organically I can't do that.
    This is all a result of democracy. Women in power.
    Women are constantly using their pussies to manipulate mens every move.
    As a man how do you deny them of control? THey manipulate your biology just visually. You can't even escape this shit.
    Is it such a wonder men are driven to rape when they are constantly, incessantly being teased and denied?
    Stop fucking with mens heads you manipulative, psychotic lesbian cunts.
    It is like a jungle you have to wade through with your cock as a machete.
    Fuck, I just want to... strangle one of them.
    Not really.
    I know the solution. Take the power back by force. That is the solution... it will happen... just keep waiting holding out for it. Communism is on its way and I am welcoming it in. I will join the government if it's a communist regime. Time to burn this all to the ground.
    Women in power of what?...
    OK rejection seams to be a consistent part of your life but it is in any way not an excuse for rape or violence thoughts.
    Rather than blaming women like you do, work on your mind and body, you will be less frustrated...
    Or just continue to stick to porn
    But then do not blame anybody for anything.

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    More gay and lesbian sex these days, seems like less between the genders. Or there's entirely too much, in some peoples cases. For both genders I automatically assume you are homosexual until you demonstrate otherwise.


    lol..

    nah man, a lot of girls around me are getting pregnant. Heterosexuality still exists, its just comfaguralted (new word i made up) with so many other things, probably more than homosexuality. not to state the obvious, but heterosexuality creates life. It's more than just getting your rocks off or personal romance feelings. Though it can be just that too. There is always a desire for everybody to pretend to be straight , for the continuation of the species. It's kinda hardwired in everybody's dna ... a pure biological urge. Our super-egos tend to be very heterosexual, many people who are hating gays think they have the right too, because the super-ego was naturally designed with heterosexuality and strict gender norms in mind. its like even the cruelest, white trashiest straight people can still pat themselves on the back for having kids. and I'm not just making fun of them for this, I really do understand it.

    yet, a lot of guys want to suck cock/start a relationship with a man but they are scared. somebody made a joke once that if you just let men have their way, we'd do nothing but smell each other's armpits all day. It goes against everything they were taught, but in many ways men habitat together way better than a man and women do.

    sexuality is tied with society. it's a script - and a lot of our desires are manufactured. i think people's own desires are a lot more unique than society trends we all tend to follow, more bisexual/pansexual or something.

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    All of you: I did not ask for your advice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nevero View Post
    if you feel that women are manipulating your every move then quit thinking and obsessing about pussy so much. get some other interests and hobbies in your life. convert your sexual energy to creative work. you're failing your own cause through this whining and resignation of your power over to your "pussy" obsession.
    Says the guy sitting in front of a screen arguing with me.
    It's easier said than done to stop thinking about pussy. I am biologically made to think about it.
    But your advice is alright. I don't need it and didn't ask for it, but it's alright.
    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    You sure do talk about rape a lot.

    I think you'd enjoy prison. no pussy power and tons of rape. pop in for a visit?
    I don't think you know me. Do you?
    This forum is alot like prison. Except mixed inmates.
    What I'd like is men in power and women obedient.
    I am tired of men getting blamed for rape. Women are constantly trying to rape men psychologically, no one holds them responsible and men don't even realize it...
    Fuck you, you slut.
    Quote Originally Posted by LostInDreams View Post
    Women in power of what?...
    OK rejection seams to be a consistent part of your life but it is in any way not an excuse for rape or violence thoughts.
    Rather than blaming women like you do, work on your mind and body, you will be less frustrated...
    Or just continue to stick to porn
    But then do not blame anybody for anything.
    Again... I didn't ask for your advice.
    I do blame women. I'm tired of men being blamed, and accepting the blame. How about I hear a woman take responsibility for rape happening, for all the teasing that women are constantly doing.
    All of it is blamed on men, and men accept that.
    Half the time what women call rape isn't even rape. It's just... miscommunication.
    Then this is turned around into a victim complex for more power tripping.
    I don't need to excuse violent thoughts. I have them. Like animals do.
    Fuck that. FUck you.
    Half the empathy given for rape is milked out of us to be used as a power trip.
    How about get over it and move on.
    Quote Originally Posted by truck View Post

    lol..

    nah man, a lot of girls around me are getting pregnant. Heterosexuality still exists, its just comfaguralted (new word i made up) with so many other things, probably more than homosexuality. not to state the obvious, but heterosexuality creates life. It's more than just getting your rocks off or personal romance feelings. Though it can be just that too. There is always a desire for everybody to pretend to be straight , for the continuation of the species. It's kinda hardwired in everybody's dna ... a pure biological urge. Our super-egos tend to be very heterosexual, many people who are hating gays think they have the right too, because the super-ego was naturally designed with heterosexuality and strict gender norms in mind. its like even the cruelest, white trashiest straight people can still pat themselves on the back for having kids. and I'm not just making fun of them for this, I really do understand it.

    yet, a lot of guys want to suck cock/start a relationship with a man but they are scared. somebody made a joke once that if you just let men have their way, we'd do nothing but smell each other's armpits all day. It goes against everything they were taught, but in many ways men habitat together way better than a man and women do.

    sexuality is tied with society. it's a script - and a lot of our desires are manufactured. i think people's own desires are a lot more unique than society trends we all tend to follow, more bisexual/pansexual or something.
    Two things come to mind. FIrst is sexuality is related to the environment. If you're locked in a room for years you're probably gona be a chronic masturbator. Second is ... the entire purpose of having a heterosexual relationship is to have kids. You can't have a successful one without kids. It will die after 5 years, so many relationship dysfunctions will come up that just can't be avoided without a child to hold the relationship together. This attitude of balling all day and not having children, living for your own pleasure - it is entirely a homosexual attitude and this is why almost the entire forum, and most our society are actually gay in denial.
    If you don't want to reproduce, you are gay whether you have realized this or not.
    Or I suppose celibate is possible, with occasional fucking here and there living alone or with a gender confused partner and half in denial of yourself. Not a very fulfilling path that one.
    That said, I want a successful relationship with a woman and I want to be financially stable enough where I can have a child and raise him the right way, where he is a healthy adult. That is the most fulfilling experience I could have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Here was me thinking that all of the 'wonder girls' were messed up.

    How misinformed was I.






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    Wake up. We live in a world with superficial values that objectifies people and personalises objects. This isn't a recent phenomenon. It's been ingrained in the Western consciousness since the Apollonian ideals of Ancient Greece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rat1 View Post

    Again... I didn't ask for your advice.
    I do blame women. I'm tired of men being blamed, and accepting the blame. How about I hear a woman take responsibility for rape happening, for all the teasing that women are constantly doing.
    All of it is blamed on men, and men accept that.
    Half the time what women call rape isn't even rape. It's just... miscommunication.
    Then this is turned around into a victim complex for more power tripping.
    I don't need to excuse violent thoughts. I have them. Like animals do.
    Fuck that. FUck you.
    Half the empathy given for rape is milked out of us to be used as a power trip.
    How about get over it and move on.
    Well that wasn't an advice Just an observation.
    Are you able to express your thoughts without being rude or vulgar? Probably not as you are an animal... and a small one in addition.
    But suddenly I have a violent desire to follow your advice (yes yes you are full of it).
    I will get pleasure in manipulating it all tonight. There are also men who like women who tease... they know how to deal with it... without raping them... and they do have hot sex in return.
    All is the matter of adult and real manly attitude.
    I realize that I see positive things almost everywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInDreams View Post
    Well that wasn't an advice Just an observation.
    Are you able to express your thoughts without being rude or vulgar? Probably not as you are an animal... and a small one in addition.
    But suddenly I have a violent desire to follow your advice (yes yes you are full of it).
    I will get pleasure in manipulating it all tonight. There are also men who like women who tease... they know how to deal with it... without raping them... and they do have hot sex in return.
    All is the matter of adult and real manly attitude.
    I realize that I see positive things almost everywhere
    It was definitely advice....
    You have the positive thinking ability to forget what has just happened, which is typical of female bullshit.
    Don't lecture on what an adult is. You aren't one.
    For the rest, I do not care. Go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rat1 View Post
    It was definitely advice....
    You have the positive thinking ability to forget what has just happened, which is typical of female bullshit.
    Don't lecture on what an adult is. You aren't one.
    For the rest, I do not care. Go away.
    At least it was an almost polite reply, I appreciated
    I have the positive thinking ability to forgive but I never forget.
    I am alright with being anything, may it be no adult in your eyes.
    What can I do to help you with your bitterness and sorrow apart going away?...

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    Why can't we just shut the fuck up about our vaginas and tits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rat1 View Post
    All of you: I did not ask for your advice.

    Says the guy sitting in front of a screen arguing with me.
    It's easier said than done to stop thinking about pussy. I am biologically made to think about it.
    But your advice is alright. I don't need it and didn't ask for it, but it's alright.

    I don't think you know me. Do you?
    This forum is alot like prison. Except mixed inmates.
    What I'd like is men in power and women obedient.
    I am tired of men getting blamed for rape. Women are constantly trying to rape men psychologically, no one holds them responsible and men don't even realize it...
    Fuck you, you slut.

    Again... I didn't ask for your advice.
    I do blame women. I'm tired of men being blamed, and accepting the blame. How about I hear a woman take responsibility for rape happening, for all the teasing that women are constantly doing.
    All of it is blamed on men, and men accept that.
    Half the time what women call rape isn't even rape. It's just... miscommunication.
    Then this is turned around into a victim complex for more power tripping.
    I don't need to excuse violent thoughts. I have them. Like animals do.
    Fuck that. FUck you.
    Half the empathy given for rape is milked out of us to be used as a power trip.
    How about get over it and move on.

    Two things come to mind. FIrst is sexuality is related to the environment. If you're locked in a room for years you're probably gona be a chronic masturbator. Second is ... the entire purpose of having a heterosexual relationship is to have kids. You can't have a successful one without kids. It will die after 5 years, so many relationship dysfunctions will come up that just can't be avoided without a child to hold the relationship together. This attitude of balling all day and not having children, living for your own pleasure - it is entirely a homosexual attitude and this is why almost the entire forum, and most our society are actually gay in denial.
    If you don't want to reproduce, you are gay whether you have realized this or not.
    Or I suppose celibate is possible, with occasional fucking here and there living alone or with a gender confused partner and half in denial of yourself. Not a very fulfilling path that one.
    That said, I want a successful relationship with a woman and I want to be financially stable enough where I can have a child and raise him the right way, where he is a healthy adult. That is the most fulfilling experience I could have.

    nope, I don't think I know you. nor would I want to..you seem to be extremely delusional. and seem to be in grave need pysch help.


    If women are teasing you so much...why don't you just find a proper girlfriend and be nice to her, then *viola* sex with someone you like and you won't care as much about other females. It seems like you'd rather snap on someone and probably murder/rape them and justify it than anything else. You rely a ton of blame on other people. and..... I hope you don't actually snap on someone...but everything you've said indicates that you either already have and will again...or you simply will...and that's incredibly scary. so I hope you eventually seek help for your own sake and those around you.

    and pussy has no power. as seen by plenty of gay dudes. and plenty of straight dudes that just want to find someone they actually enjoy being around rather than just obsessing over sex. It's overrated especially with nothing substantial behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInDreams View Post
    I will get pleasure in manipulating it all tonight. There are also men who like women who tease... they know how to deal with it... without raping them... and they do have hot sex in return.
    All is the matter of adult and real manly attitude. I realize that I see positive things almost everywhere
    In essence, what you described is a gay in denial having sex with a lesbian in denial. I cannot find this attitude toward relationships appealing at all. It has the opposite effect on me. It makes me not even want to go toward relationships. But it's like this is all there is.

    THe 'hot' part is false, too. It's just empty ...

    i.e. lesbian sex is the most anticlimactic, unfulfilling sex I have ever seen. It resembles a molestation more than it does a sex act. Lesbian porn scenes do not climax or have a clear ending, they just ... fade out awkwardly. And it always feels like the women are molesting eachother. It's just creepy.
    They always have psychotic smiles... see the positive or else you die! (Like how you see the positive everywhere you look.)

    It's just not appealing.

    There's also this underlying egotistical empowerment of the clit as being a penis which is bizarre to witness psychologically.
    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    If women are teasing you so much...why don't you just find a proper girlfriend and be nice to her, then *viola* sex with someone you like and you won't care as much about other females. It seems like you'd rather snap on someone and probably murder/rape them and justify it than anything else. You rely a ton of blame on other people. and..... I hope you don't actually snap on someone...but everything you've said indicates that you either already have and will again...or you simply will...and that's incredibly scary. so I hope you eventually seek help for your own sake and those around you.
    They tease constantly... Even eachother. I was raised with a schizoid overbearing intrusive tease, in a contained environment, so it sets me off and I like to bitch about it. I enjoy the catharsis of just mouthing off about it as much as I can. It really relieves me inside.
    When I was a child I have been blamed for a sexual encounter 'molestation'... well I owned up to what happened and the female pretended she was the victim of it. She was the irresponsible victim, had a convenient case of amnesia, and put all the blame on me. Everyone considered me a molestor. I even accepted the label, and started to believe it. But you know, as an adult I've realized now... I didn't do a damn thing wrong. SHe was coming onto me the entire time. She initiated it infact. And then I became 'the monster', so that she could be relieved of any responsibility.
    Yeah, you bitches piss me off. I want to kill some of you at times. I won't, but I do want to.
    I have known before certain women want me to rape them.. (and they did). But I cant bring kind of energy forward, even if she's fantasizing about it I cant do it. It is too much.
    Some women if you dont play along with their little tease they will power trip on you, and fuck your life over in every way possible. Like my manager at work is doing to me right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    and pussy has no power. as seen by plenty of gay dudes. and plenty of straight dudes that just want to find someone they actually enjoy being around rather than just obsessing over sex. It's overrated especially with nothing substantial behind it.
    Finding someone I enjoy being around is pretty hard...
    EDIT:
    Pussy power exists and is a strong force in america.
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    lol rat... do you remember when playing final fantasy 7, when you escaped from shinra hq and were exploring the world for the first time, you got to choose your party - and probably the most common thing most people did (including myself) was choose Tifa and Aeris in the party with Cloud?

    Anyways I have a point for telling this story... everybody grows up with all these illusions and hallucinations for what genders are supposed to be like. A lot of the tension comes from the fact men tend to love it when women are nice- but women always enjoy it when you view them as more than 'just nice.' It causes a conflict. Females in real life aren't like aeris or tifa, always with the inspiring word, always with perfect pristine empathy. They're just people with their own complicated mixture of virtues and vices. They can be cunts. They often confuse a man's moral weakness with his self-confidence. Yet if you notice, when a man is a cunt it's because 'he's a man' - when a woman is an asshole, there must be some underlying hurt/vulnerability that she needs saved from. It's bullshit stupid, all these double standards. Women are both tough and vulnerable, men are both tough and vulnerable.

    I can relate, maybe I'm not as aggressive as you rat - but I feel you deeply. I don't really support how you tear into people but then again, I sense your good heart behind what you say and maybe I'm just biased. Women are annoying (most of them fry the insides of my brain whereas most men calm and relax me) - but I also find being their friend fun, even if we both can't help but put each other in a box based on what's between our legs. Maybe we all have to realize we're all being shitty, we're all doing this stereotyping to each other. men are annoying too, I'm just saying - I think the only reason why it feels so extra annoying when a girl is being annoying is because we are raised to believe that girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice - and little boys like puppy dog tails. Stupid fucking 1950s crap like that. the lies from your grandmother's attic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rat1 View Post
    In essence, what you described is a gay in denial having sex with a lesbian in denial. I cannot find this attitude toward relationships appealing at all. It has the opposite effect on me. It makes me not even want to go toward relationships. But it's like this is all there is.

    THe 'hot' part is false, too. It's just empty ...

    i.e. lesbian sex is the most anticlimactic, unfulfilling sex I have ever seen. It resembles a molestation more than it does a sex act. Lesbian porn scenes do not climax or have a clear ending, they just ... fade out awkwardly. And it always feels like the women are molesting eachother. It's just creepy.
    They always have psychotic smiles... see the positive or else you die! (Like how you see the positive everywhere you look.)

    It's just not appealing.

    There's also this underlying egotistical empowerment of the clit as being a penis which is bizarre to witness psychologically.
    EDIT:
    Pussy power exists and is a strong force in america.
    The obvious conclusion that I get from this is the following:

    You must have suffered a lot in your childhood...
    America seems to be rotten from the point of view of sexual mores and attitude, that I did not notice here in Europe.
    We seem to have a different understanding of the teasing.
    We seem to have a different understanding of relationships.
    I am definitely not a lesbian in denial nor my SO is a gay in denial, I just do not get where you digged that from.
    We both identify and associate sex with climax and thus pleasure.
    Also compared to you, me and himself are in a relationship since a couple of years and do enjoy sexual games that I call teasing.
    No feeling manipulating, no insane games, but a fair exchange.

    There are a lot of tastes out there... and what is not appealing to you, can be for many.

    Anyhow the rape responsibility cannot be held by a woman, for the simple reason that even they are the extreme evil cunts teasing everybody around, men are supposed to think a bit with their heads and to be able to control the lower parts of their bodies.
    Because we are not animals, no...

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    I finally looked at this thread...

    I thought the "dove" video was going to be about 1/4 moisturizing cream.




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    Quote Originally Posted by truck View Post
    lol rat... do you remember when playing final fantasy 7, when you escaped from shinra hq and were exploring the world for the first time, you got to choose your party - and probably the most common thing most people did (including myself) was choose Tifa and Aeris in the party with Cloud?
    But, I picked Barret for ranged damage and switched him to the back row so he didn't die and then I had Mr. T and that's amazing and only took Aeris because I had cure 2 but really Red was pretty good because he is a cat

    Mayb I should do FF lets play on utube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rat1 View Post
    i.e. lesbian sex is the most anticlimactic, unfulfilling sex I have ever seen. I
    I would tend to agree with this. I never understood the male-generated hype surrounding lesbian porn, at least when they treat it as a purely sexual act. I'd imagine that the emotional dimension is as much of an integral component to the practitioners.

    I do understand the desire to avoid looking at another man's penis..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInDreams View Post
    America seems to be rotten from the point of view of sexual mores and attitude, that I did not notice here in Europe.
    The differences are not that great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    The differences are not that great.
    This is fairly possible, I concur.
    I should have added "according to you".
    We just do not have the same opinion, mainly because we belong to different genders... maybe also due to different personal views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInDreams View Post
    This is fairly possible, I concur.
    I should have added "according to you".
    We just do not have the same opinion, mainly because we belong to different genders... maybe also due to different personal views.
    Rat has a very unique view on things, so I would not try to rationalize your differences based on gender, geography, or what have you. He does not represent an *American* view of women or sexuality, thankfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    Rat has a very unique view on things, so I would not try to rationalize your differences based on gender, geography, or what have you. He does not represent an *American* view of women or sexuality, thankfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    I would tend to agree with this. I never understood the male-generated hype surrounding lesbian porn, at least when they treat it as a purely sexual act. I'd imagine that the emotional dimension is as much of an integral component to the practitioners.

    I do understand the desire to avoid looking at another man's penis..
    The vast majority of women in lesbian porn are heterosexual, hence why the sex seems lifeless. There's no sexual attraction, no emotion. Anyone who thinks that is a representative of lesbian sex is completely deluded. Lesbian porn is regarded as a joke among many lesbians for a reason. But most porn is produced with a male audience in mind. It's just the way it is.

    Anyway, misogyny is still very much a thing. It's not to say men are never at the receiving end of objectification, but often a woman's value is placed on her looks than her accomplishments. Women are almost always seen through their relation to men and not for their own selves. Men are not often viewed in how they relate to women. This is very telling in how far we are from attaining gender equality. Not much is going to change until we get over the idea of gender and start seeing people as people first and foremost.

    I don't recall ever being rated by my looks, not that I know of, mainly because I never made an attempt to be especially feminine and, these days, my appearance is very androgynous, which makes me happy as it better reflects my own personality. But if I was rated, even if it was an 8, 9, or 10, I'd feel pretty insulted unless coming from someone who knows me very well and thinks of me in regards to my character first and foremost.

    But I do believe most women are a bit brainwashed into caring a lot in how the opposite sex perceives their appearance, seeing as the vast majority of women are heterosexual. But I think there comes a point that a lot of women look beautiful because it's just what they are used to as being the standard. Nothing wrong with that. But a woman is more than her looks.

    And I myself can appreciate aesthetic beauty in both men and women, but, at the same time, I don't judge another's worth based on that and I certainly don't do the whole rating crap and never have. But many men do it to both men (in regards to how manly they are, or if they are too feminine, as if femininity is inferior) and women (tending to favor the beautiful women and looking down on those who are overweight, "mannish", or otherwise noticeably less than ideal), and women do the same to other women (eating their own), even lesbians can be guilty of this in spite of usually being a little more educated on feminism and aware of the sexism related to over-emphasizing looks, especially traditional beauty. And gay men can be guilty of judging men, often glorifying hyper-masculinity. So every group is guilty of it. I don't really buy into the oft' misogynistic evolutionary psychology bull shit about picking the most suitable genes and why masculinity> femininity in men

    I think the sooner we get over this men and women crap and have more empathy for each other, regardless of each other's gender, and get beyond the gender role shit, stop with the "because he's a man" and "because she's a woman" and for women, too, to stop pretending they cannot be sexist and misogynistic, I think a lot of this crap will die down. We're all to blame. So blaming each other for being responsible for everything is useless. It just makes people too defensive and too infatuated with the victimhood mentality to get any shit done. And I include all of us because some feminists, especially the second wave feminists, can be as whiny as the MRAs and the misogynists who blame women for all the evils in the world. They're really cut from the same cloth being as biased as they are ineffectual.

    We're all people capable of experiencing similar problems. Shoving categorical judgments up everyone's assholes is tired and tends to create controversy that goes nowhere, being absorbed into a clusterfuck of bad feeling. I guess some are addicted to the drama of it, but to me, it's something I'd rather kick its ass to the curb. Reality is complicated enough for all that shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    The vast majority of women in lesbian porn are heterosexual, hence why the sex seems lifeless. There's no sexual attraction, no emotion. Anyone who thinks that is a representative of lesbian sex is completely deluded. Lesbian porn is regarded as a joke among many lesbians for a reason. But most porn is produced with a male audience in mind. It's just the way it is.
    Porn in general isn't representative of real sex.

    Thanks for clarifying the lack of emotional connection. I don't really pick up on details like that.

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