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    Quote Originally Posted by lynn View Post
    Tyler Hoechlin - SLE-Ti sp/sx

    Definitely SEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dauphin View Post
    Definitely SEE
    Until more evidence towards Se+Fi, I would even go with ESE first.

    Def not SLE, although I could see how you would think it. There is something predatory about his eyes.

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    Fe-IEI



    he ends up dating the SLE above on the show they’re on


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    Dustin Kensrue IEI-Ni




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    Miles Davis - IEI

    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so.

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by inaLim View Post
    Khabib is SLE

    Conor McGregor is a feeler
    after watching more interviews and fights I agree with you. EIE makes much more sense for Conor. what do you think of Tony Ferguson? I would type him as SEE based on what I've seen so far.
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so.

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    after watching more interviews and fights I agree with you. EIE makes much more sense for Conor. what do you think of Tony Ferguson? I would type him as SEE based on what I've seen so far.
    I'm not very familiar with his personality, but I'll check. It may take some time.

    I noticed this though

    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    Miles Davis - IEI




    I'm way more familiar with Miles. He is Se valuing, but he is way too locked-in, rough, and undiplomatic to be IEI. He sidesteps or gives literal answers to her questions about his feelings, his inner thoughts, the future, and his legacy. I don't hear any Fi, and he doesn't show much rationality or tie to system (despite being classically trained). I agree that he seems Beta irrational, but I would go with SLE. I was surprised myself, I figured he would be xSI. I could be wrong, but I do not think he is intuitive or a feeler. If not SLE, then LSI.

    I'm not much for V.I. but you can tell Se ego from the sharpness to his gaze, reactions, and physical gestures. By that I mean he cuts through the room like a knife.




    Edit 1: Tony Ferguson definitely comes off as having the weird sort of "authenticity" I tend to associate with Fi. SEE is not a bad typing for him.

    Edit 2: Miles is so stiff, I want to say LSI. But I never get the impression LSI thought process is this close to mine (SLE-Ti). I guess he could be LSI-Se Subtype?
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    Kevin Parker (Tame Impala) - IEI



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkT6slu6cOc

    it's interesting how it's clearly visible within the first few minutes of the interview that he's an NiFe type, and at 8:57 he shows suggestive Se. I think the woman who interviews him is an LIE.

    favorite song from his new album:



    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so.

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    Kevin Parker (Tame Impala) - IEI



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkT6slu6cOc

    it's interesting how it's clearly visible within the first few minutes of the interview that he's an NiFe type, and at 8:57 he shows suggestive Se. I think the woman who interviews him is an LIE.

    favorite song from his new album:



    Possibly IEI. Possibly also SEI.

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    your typings are really weird to me timber I often don't really know how to react to them.
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so.

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by toska View Post
    SLE-Se: Machine Gun Kelly

    most likely an ESI, there's nothing SLE-Se about this dude


    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    Kevin Parker (Tame Impala) - IEI



    and here we have an IEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    Possibly also SEI.
    >makes an album centered around the theme and concept of time
    >is supposed to be an SEI with Ni as role function


    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    and here we have an IEE
    >constantly talks about being an introvert and writes songs about preferring to be alone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F2e9fmYL7Y

    >his band is basically just him doing all the work alone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMt7oyHP6iw

    >is supposed to be an extrovert

    it's really hard to not get a headache with most typings on this website...
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so.

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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    Bald guy with beard SLE.


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    Quote Originally Posted by toska View Post
    Kevin Parker is EII. Likely 4w5.

    This interview, he's constantly rationalizing his entire process. Seems quite lighthearted and grounded with his demeanor, contrary to the dreamy and head-in-the-clouds vibe of IEI.

    Do you think the interviewer is IEI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Bald guy with beard SLE.

    Oh hey a LSE, cool.

    Guys, the most masculine sociotype is the LSE, not the SLE.

    This entire video is an exercise in suggestive Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    Oh hey a LSE, cool.

    Guys, the most masculine sociotype is the LSE, not the SLE.

    This entire video is an exercise in suggestive Fi.
    What? This guy is SLE come on. Not not because he's "masculine" because he's just SLE.

    He even says "There are no rules in the relationship" throwing out the idea of traditional gender roles in relationships which I don't think is common for LSE especially LSE men. But the "no rules" is more common for SLE. He even uses Fe to help the asian dude when he says "You're a man!" in a slightly exaggerated tone to help the guy feel good about himself. He also briefly mentions how it's important to have self discipline which seems to be common for Ni suggestives to see that highly. On top of his Fe expressive face which is also SLE of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    What? This guy is SLE come on. Not not because he's "masculine" because he's just SLE.

    He even says "There are no rules in the relationship" throwing out the idea of traditional gender roles in relationships which I don't think is common for LSE especially LSE men. But the "no rules" is more common for SLE. He even uses Fe to help the asian dude when he says "You're a man!" in a slightly exaggerated tone to help the guy feel good about himself. He also briefly mentions how it's important to have self discipline which seems to be common for Ni suggestives to think. On top of his Fe expressive face which is also SLE of him.

    I guess a SLE would make a video of a male group therapy session to ask themselves if they meet their father's expectations of them as men. Asking themselves how they feel as individuals.

    Help themselves feel good about themselves. That totally does not sound like fi suggestive at all.

    Seems like the kind of guy I would go to ask for advice about what skin care products to use. Only manly type beauty products though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    I guess a SLE would make a video of a male group therapy session to ask themselves if they meet their father's expectations of them as men. Asking themselves how they feel as individuals.

    Help themselves feel good about themselves. That totally does not sound like fi suggestive at all.

    Seems like the kind of guy I would go to ask for advice about what skin care products to use. Only manly type beauty products though.
    This guy didn't make this video or ask the questions, he's just a part of the video. So if you think the theme of the video is Fi, it still does say the guy is Fi. And no helping you feel good about yourself doesn't sound like Fi suggestive. That sounds more like someone using Fe. Anyway the guy is SLE and not LSE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    This guy didn't make this video or ask the questions, he's just a part of the video. So if you think the theme of the video is Fi, it still does say the guy is Fi. And no helping you feel good about yourself doesn't sound like Fi suggestive. That sounds more like someone using Fe. Anyway the guy is SLE and not LSE.
    Okay.

    I don't see him as any ESTp I actually see him as a more clear cut and dry LSE male foot ball player.

    No the content of the video might not have been him. I just can't see a sociotype with white ethics as a point of least resistance be featured in a video that explores white ethics issues.

    Exploring your own thoughts and feelings as well as the ethical implications of what they mean for you certainly does suggest Fi somewhere important.

    He mentions that facial salt scrub he uses. I imagine he has a perfect bathroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    Okay.

    I don't see him as any ESTp I actually see him as a more clear cut and dry LSE male foot ball player.

    No the content of the video might not have been him. I just can't see a sociotype with white ethics as a point of least resistance be featured in a video that explores white ethics issues.

    Exploring your own thoughts and feelings as well as the ethical implications of what they mean for you certainly does suggest Fi somewhere important.

    He mentions that facial salt scrub he uses. I imagine he has a perfect bathroom.
    Trying to make other people feel good is not an Fi suggestive thing. His face and eyes show Fe when he speaks as opposed to the asian dude who shows much less emotion in his face and eyes even when he's talking something painful. Whether an SLE would do a video like this or not I can't take the leap and say that determines a type especially considering it's a sponsored video, but his behaviors and demeanor are much more SLE than LSE, he rejects the idea of a "traditional"relationship, his face is alive with emotion and he's trying to make other people feel good, which probably comes from his HA for people to like him. He even checks to make sure he's accurate on what the head of the household question was word for word which I think suggests Ti.

    I can show you an LSE.

    first guy you see is LSE.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Trying to make other people feel good is not an Fi suggestive thing. His face and eyes show Fe when he speaks as opposed to the asian dude who shows much less emotion in his face and eyes even when he's talking something painful. Whether an SLE would do a video like this or not I can't take the leap and say that determines a type especially considering it's a sponsored video, but his behaviors and demeanor are much more SLE than LSE, he rejects the idea of a "traditional"relationship, his face is alive with emotion and he's trying to make other people feel good, which probably comes from his HA for people to like him. He even checks to make sure he's accurate on what the head of the household question was word for word which I think suggests Ti.

    I can show you an LSE.

    first guy you see is LSE.

    Identicals.

    One is a super athlete and the other is a blue collar humpty-dumpty type.

    So LSE has IEE as a activator and only supports traditional relationships? That's not really a statement about socionics, its more about a value statement of that individual. Sol would be happy to hear you say it though.

    I wouldn't really say his face is alive with emotion its just more expressive. Actually that group, maybe the topic subject matter, felt very subdued including him.

    The asian dude vibes like obstinate white ethics, so IEE. Being all different and extrovertedly vulnerable and different from the group to allow the convo to happen. Same type as the blonde free range mom.

    Word for word checking instructions. Okay so strong logics of actions. Dad will take care of the details good thing he was paying attention. lol, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    Identicals.

    One is a super athlete and the other is a blue collar humpty-dumpty type.

    So LSE has IEE as a activator and only supports traditional relationships? That's not really a statement about socionics, its more about a value statement of that individual. Sol would be happy to hear you say it though.

    I wouldn't really say his face is alive with emotion its just more expressive. Actually that group, maybe the topic subject matter, felt very subdued including him.

    The asian dude vibes like obstinate white ethics, so IEE. Being all different and extrovertedly vulnerable and different from the group to allow the convo to happen. Same type as the blonde free range mom.

    Word for word checking instructions. Okay so strong logics of actions. Dad will take care of the details good thing he was paying attention. lol, sorry.
    I think asian dude is probably EII. I don't see extrovert, and you can see the guy in the parents video sticks to traditional old school values that he picked up via Si, while the other guy rejects them doesn't even acknowledge them. The "no rules" attitude is not LSE and more SLE, SLE is a more progressive type than LSE, more in tune with the times than trying to preserve the values of the past which is more LSE. And yes his expressive face is an example of Fe and he was the most expressive of the bunch, probably since he's the only extrovert on top of valuing Fe. Checking word for word to accurately answer the question sounds more Ti than Te. I don't get how you see those 2 guys as identicals.

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    None of that is type related.

    If that's your image of ESTp then there you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    >makes an album centered around the theme and concept of time
    >is supposed to be an SEI with Ni as role function
    I don't know his type and I haven't listened to his albums, but I'd say the concept of time wouldn't be unfamiliar to a SEI if an artist. So in this case it's a musician but what is the stereotypical SEI trying to capture when he’s sketching a landscape with the remains of a church in the distance? There's the warmth of the Sun but also the implication that the souls that have walked that land and set foot in that church are long gone. We can bad short-term memory and that can lend itself to episodes of strangeness when we look from the present to the past. So only a few examples but it wouldn’t strike me as impossible that the concept of time intrigued a musician even with Ni role.

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    Girl in leopard skirt IEI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toska View Post
    Undetermined on Kyle (bald guy with the beard) but his dad seems LSE-Te (Howie Long).



    Edit: SLE for Kyle.


    I don't usually believe in VI but look at his dad's face, he's got that LSE square shaped head lol.

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    Kyle Long is Alpha SF. Probably ESE
    His father Howie Long is LSE
    His older brother Chris Long is SLE

    Its easier to tell when they're next to each other.


    SLE Chris & Alpha SF Kyle



    SLE Chris & LSE Howie

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    I could kinda see ESE for Kyle Long with how much Fe he's showing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toska View Post
    Care to explain?
    Sure. He's nothing like an SLE.

    If you need to refresh your definition of the type, re-read "Aristocratic" "Negativist" sections, which encompass both SLE and LSE as per their description of being quasi-identicals. The profiling you did below doesn't sound like anything belonging to those types.

    Quoting this for posterity on a set of traits on how to not identify an SLE.

    Quote Originally Posted by toska View Post
    "I am loud and obnoxious troubled youth that spends weekends pissing parents off by turning their daughter's room into a giant orgy-fest."
    "I'm probably one of the wildest, most out-of-control people in the industry."
    "Every time I perform, I always try to have that 'wow' factor."
    "It's an honor to step onstage and celebrate the service and sacrifices of our soldiers."
    "I'm an anarchist. I have it tattooed on my stomach."
    "You can make something out of nothing. I proved that with my career, making it out of the city that I'm from."

    It's also easily checked by VI, so let's proceed to that part.

    Let's take a look at your VI claims which so far do seem to be bogus.

    My SLE friend acts and looks exactly like this guy. He's also recognized by majority as 'ESTP, 7w8' on [/COLOR]https://www.personality-database.com/[COLOR=#000000] (not that this has a definitive correspondence). I have trouble seeing why he'd be "nothing" like one.
    Really now?

    Because your Machine Gun Kelly boy looks nothing like this SLE-Se composite. Compare this to his pics. It's nowhere near the same look.

    He looks like an introverted ethical type and that description of him you posted really belongs in some IxFx males thread.






    Would also like to hear about this majority, as in your quote "recognized by majority" that has identified your friend as supposedly an SLE. Who are they, give some names, their years of involvement in socionics and expertise, etc. etc. so that it doesn't sound like you're trying to cover up your typing by making off-hand references.


    This is not my kindred and I've met several SLE who match most of this criteria[/B], if not all of it.
    By met you surely meant "mistyped", as in "I've mistyped several people into SLEs, who don't even sound or look anything like them, now fite me and my mistypings!!1!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by toska View Post
    Shoot!! I was actually thinking more about this a few days ago and talking to my friend who had self-assessed and typed SLE. In referencing the link, I was only showing how MGK is typed in other systems(it wasn't meant to cover up, only influenced my own opinion). The rest of what I listed was essentially my analysis of his character and attributes. Anyway, I'm coming to think you're right on this one and I had a poor point of reference. Me and my friend talked and we actually came out recognizing the potential of him being ESI. I'm thinking it was his unhealthy state at the time which influenced my initial typing. Definitely marks an early mistake in my VI so I appreciate this. VI makes me stubborn sometimes, so it's good to have this fixed. Thanks!
    If you're averse to VI, and this guy is adamantly VIing like ESI-Se and has that prickly expression of a Gamma rational type, then go by your own characterizations but simply differentiate unhealthy behavior in ego functions vs. unhealthy behavior in subconscious functions. This characteristic here -> "Candid about sex life and bad things he does, reveling in them" implies that he isn't of a type with weak ethical functions and certainly doesn't have ethics as his polr, as he's able to justify and assert himself publicly in what he does. With SLEs and LSEs, and 1D Fi types in general, it's a case of clueless stumbling around Fi/Fe and transgressing because they didn't know any better, because they "don't get it" since those functions are their subconscious ones, and then if they happen to commit something hugely unethical they will frantically try to sweep things under the carpet (negativists) or diffuse the situation and shift attention (positivists). The interview where he's casually shrugging it off would imply that ethical IEs aren't in the weak functions.

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    Walker Evans: IEI-Ni




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    Simon Sinek, author of Start With Why, EIE

    https://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sine...ge=en#t-686049

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    The guy seems ESTp. I don't know about the girl.



    Edit: Hannah is probably IxI-Ni so/sx, and Dylan is SxE in any case and they look like the main characters in the film Plush, lol.
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    Giacomo Leopardi: IEI-Ni

    "A great mind does not yield to necessity; on the contrary, there is nothing, perhaps, that leads such a person to nurture an atrocious, declared, and savage hatred of himself and of life as the thought that his troubles, misery, calamities, etc., are inevitable and irreversible. Only a mean, or weak, or vacillating person, or someone who has no strength of passion, by nature perhaps, or through habit, or as a result of dealing over the years with all kinds of bad luck, hardships, and experience of things and of the way the world is, hardships that have subdued and tamed him—only people like this bend to necessity and actually take comfort from it amid their troubles, saying it would have been crazy to resist and fight them, etc. But the ancients, greater, nobler, and stronger than us as they always were, finding themselves overwhelmed by events, and thinking on their inevitability, the invincible power of the forces that made them wretched and that fastened and bound them to their wretchedness so that it was impossible to turn things round or escape, nurtured a hatred and fury against fate and cursed the Gods, declared war almost against the heavens, powerless though they were and with no hope of victory or revenge, but still not subdued or tamed, or any less determined to take their revenge, quite the contrary in fact, more determined than ever the greater the wretchedness and the more it was inevitable. There are plenty of examples of this in the stories we have. What the dying Julian is supposed to have done may just be fable, I don’t know. Niobe, if I’m not mistaken, cursed the Gods after her catastrophe and declared herself beaten but still unyielding. We who don’t believe in fortune or destiny, and don’t recognize any personification of the necessity that forces events on us, have no one we can turn our hatred and fury against (even if we are noble and constant and unyielding by nature), no one but ourselves, that is; and hence we nurture against our own person a truly lethal hatred, as if we were our own most bitter and primary enemies, and we cheer ourselves with thoughts of suicide and self-mutilation, taking pleasure in the misery that oppresses us, and we come to wish that it was even greater, as when someone plans revenge against an object of supreme anger and hatred. For myself, every time I have been convinced of the inevitability and permanence of my misery, every time, looking desperately, frenetically, this way and that, I have been bound to realize that there is no possible remedy, no hope at all; instead of yielding, or consoling myself with the reflection that the situation was impossible and the result of forces beyond my control, I found myself nurturing a furious hatred against myself, because the misery I hated was located nowhere but in myself; so I was the only possible object of my hatred, since I had no one else, recognized no one else whom I could blame for my troubles and no one else who could become a target of my hatred for this reason. I conceived a burning desire to take revenge on myself and on my own life for a misery that was inevitable and inseparable from my very being and I experienced a fierce joy, a supreme joy, at the thought of suicide. The unyielding world clashed with my own unyielding nature and when the collision came—me incapable of giving way, easing off, or backing down and the world even less so—the loser in the struggle could only be me. Today (except when our ills depend on other people) we don’t see anyone to blame for our misery, or anyone whom Religion doesn’t do everything to prevent us from thinking of as to blame, and hence a proper object of our hatred. All the same, even in the Religion we have today, when misery goes beyond the norm and is not dependent on other people, or visible entities, sometimes someone will develop a hatred against superior and invisible entities and curse them; and this the more so the more that person (steadfast and noble in spirit) is religious and a believer. Job turned to moaning and almost cursing as much God as himself and his own life, his own birth, etc."
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