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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Everyone knows that socionics expertise rises up with post count and it follows logarithmic function

    e(p)=k*ln(p + s)

    where e is expertise, p is post count, s (>0) is your start up knowledge and k is constant provided by the elders of the socionics community.
    @Troll Nr 007, there needs to be an additional factor in the equation which allows e to remain negative forever, regardless of the other values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Everyone knows that socionics expertise rises up with post count
    It needs to take into account the weight of the use of posts by the relation to typology and by their rational objectivity. Needs to note also the existence of other factors.

    Also the said by you is out of the discussed contexts and such reminds inappropriate T according to your F type.
    // diging later the local flood with more attention to Maritsa's posts I've noticed the appropriate context. good to see that at least a part of your texts is not a nonsense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    It needs to take into account the weight of the use of posts by the relation to typology and by their rational objectivity. Needs to note also the existence of other factors.

    Also the said by you is out of the discussed contexts and such reminds inappropriate T according to your F type.
    Thanks, I'm well informed of being F type in solsionics.

    In fact I cycled through these emotions 100 times while I was reading your post.
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    Apparently, one cannot be a T-type and not a psychopath at the same time. The Emotion(al) Police are everywhere......watching

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evolution View Post
    Apparently, one cannot be a T-type and not a psychopath at the same time. The Emotion(al) Police are everywhere......watching
    Just pretend to be bothered by stuff sometimes. Camouflage!

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    @Troll Nr 007
    the more appropriate way to convince in your T type would be to make normal videointerview. by doing it inappropriately several times you convinced only in the opposite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    @Troll Nr 007
    the more appropriate way to convince in your T type would be to make normal videointerview. by doing it inappropriately several times you convinced only in the opposite
    By combining two videos together were you able to determine that it was under your ridiculous time constraints.

    I want to see data as you are supposed to be so excellent T type. Anyways, I also suggest that you should do some serious thinking about yourself as only singular entity in the rest of the world (basic raw knowledge should help immensely). There is something that [bastardized] socionics knowledge is not going to give you on a silver plate even when you want to believe in it. In the end you are just fighting against yourself and wasting time when you decide to not see beyond your own nose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post

    Joanna Newsom is not EII too. mb IEI
    Andy Samberg mb ILE
    Joanna Newsom is definitely EII. Her song lyrics are incredibly Delta and Ti role is evident as well.
    Andy could be IEE or ILE but I think IEE.



    Lyrics to “Emily” by Joanna Newsom:

    The meadowlark and the chim-choo-ree and the sparrow
    Set to the sky in a flying spree,
    for the sport over the pharaoh
    A little while later the Pharisees dragged comb through the meadow
    Do you remember what they called up to you and me, in our window?

    There is a rusty light on the pines tonight
    Sun pouring wine, lord, or marrow
    Down into the bones of the birches
    And the spires of the churches
    Jutting out from the shadows
    The yoke, and the axe, and the old smokestacks and the bale and the barrow
    And everything sloped like it was dragged from a rope
    In the mouth of the south below

    We've seen those mountains kneeling, felten and grey
    We thought our very hearts would up and melt away
    From that snow in the night time
    Just going
    And going
    And the stirring of wind chimes
    In the morning
    In the morning
    Helps me find my way back in
    From the place where I have been

    And, Emily, I saw you last night by the river
    I dreamed you were skipping little stones across the surface of the water
    Frowning at the angle where they were lost, and slipped under forever,
    In a mud-cloud, mica-spangled, like the sky'd been breathing on a mirror

    Anyhow, I sat by your side, by the water
    You taught me the names of the stars overhead that I wrote down in my ledger
    Though all I knew of the rote universe were those pleiades loosed in December
    I promised you I'd set them to verse so I'd always remember

    That the meteorite is a source of the light
    And the meteor's just what we see
    And the meteoroid is a stone that's devoid of the fire that propelled it to thee

    And the meteorite's just what causes the light
    And the meteor's how it's perceived
    And the meteoroid's a bone thrown from the void that lies quiet in offering to thee

    You came and lay a cold compress upon the mess I'm in
    Threw the window wide and cried, Amen! Amen! Amen!
    The whole world stopped to hear you hollering
    You looked down and saw now what was happening

    The lines are fadin' in my kingdom
    Though I have never known the way to border 'em in
    So the muddy mouths of baboons and sows and the grouse and the horse and the hen
    Grope at the gate of the looming lake that was once a tidy pen
    And the mail is late and the great estates are not lit from within
    The talk in town's becoming downright sickening

    In due time we will see the far butte lit by a flare
    I've seen your bravery, and I will follow you there
    And row through the night time
    So healthy
    Gone healthy all of a sudden
    In search of the midwife
    Who could help me
    Who could help me
    Help me find my way back in
    There are worries where I've been

    Say, say, say in the lee of the bay, don't be bothered
    Leave your troubles here where the tugboats shear the water from the water
    Flanked by furrows, curling back, like a match held up to a newspaper
    Emily, they'll follow your lead by the letter
    And I make this claim, and I'm not ashamed to say I knew you better
    What they've seen is just a beam of your sun that banishes winter

    Let us go! though we know it's a hopeless endeavor
    The ties that bind, they are barbed and spined and hold us close forever
    Though there is nothing would help me come to grips with a sky that is gaping and yawning
    There is a song I woke with on my lips as you sailed your great ship towards the morning

    Come on home, the poppies are all grown knee-deep by now
    Blossoms all have fallen, and the pollen ruins the plow
    Peonies nod in the breeze and while they wetly bow, with
    Hydrocephalitic listlessness ants mop up-a their brow

    And everything with wings is restless, aimless, drunk and dour
    The butterflies and birds collide at hot, ungodly hours
    And my clay-colored motherlessness rangily reclines
    Come on home, now! all my bones are dolorous with vines

    Pa pointed out to me, for the hundredth time tonight
    The way the ladle leads to a dirt-red bullet of light
    Squint skyward and listen
    Loving him, we move within his borders
    Just asterisms in the stars' set order

    We could stand for a century
    Starin'
    With our heads cocked
    In the broad daylight at this thing
    Joy
    Landlocked
    In bodies that don't keep
    Dumbstruck with the sweetness of being
    Till we don't be
    Told, take this
    Eat this

    Told, the meteorite is the source of the light
    And the meteor's just what we see
    And the meteoroid is a stone that's devoid of the fire that propelled it to thee

    And the meteorite's just what causes the light
    And the meteor's how it's perceived
    And the meteoroid's a bone thrown from the void that lies quiet in offering to thee

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsTortilla View Post
    Joanna Newsom is definitely EII. Her song lyrics are incredibly Delta
    By nonverbal I feel her as not EII with assurance. Other impressions.
    Lyrics is lesser correct source (as lesser natural having more of external influences) and its interpretation can be also not a single-valued.
    To understand me you may compare your impressions from the ones I typed to EII with impressions you get from her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    By nonverbal I feel her as not EII with assurance. Other impressions.
    Lyrics is lesser correct source (as lesser natural having more of external influences) and its interpretation can be also not a single-valued.
    To understand me you may compare your impressions from the ones I typed to EII with impressions you get from her.
    Did you watch the interview? How many IEI’s do you know that can break their musical structure down the way she can and discuss complex polymeters? This seems like something other EII’s I know would get into.

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    @Sol
    Watch this to see her performance style and demeanor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsTortilla View Post
    @Sol
    Watch this to see her performance style and demeanor.

    she's not EII. She's a P type and very animated for an EII
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    @Sol am I on ignore yet?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    @Andreas

    Maybe saving those books and things is about creating mementos, or bread crumbs to show "I was here", this was me. Maybe locking objects in time and therefore the self concept in a timeline. The details are superfluous, it's more about the sign posts I'm guessing.

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    EIE and EII...they are extinguishment relations. In my limited experience, they are extremely different from me. Much more passionate "on the surface" and poetic like an Fe ego, or the stereotypical EIE way. And even if that is somewhat subdued, the 2D Se is unmistakable. Very direct, kinda scary sometimes.

    I don't see how the two types can be easily confused for the other. In a way, they are literally the opposite of the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    she's not EII. She's a P type and very animated for an EII
    I disagree. I think she’s a C type and I do see similarities to Laura Dern and other EII’s. Just my take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    @Sol am I on ignore yet?
    I always say when place people to ignore list.
    I'm on a vacation from our communication.

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    I think we can all agree that @Beautiful sky is a socionics type and @Subteigh knows what to do with his post count.

    Though I think @Beautiful sky can't be EII because she doesn't seem to read a lot, but then EIEs seem to read a lot too since it's supposedly Shakespeare, so let's move her to gamma pronto. SEE SEE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    I think we can all agree that @Beautiful sky is a socionics type and @Subteigh knows what to do with his post count.

    Though I think @Beautiful sky can't be EII because she doesn't seem to read a lot, but then EIEs seem to read a lot too since it's supposedly Shakespeare, so let's move her to gamma pronto.
    But...but...but... she makes journals and only EIIs do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    But...but...but... she makes journals and only EIIs do that
    I used to make journals, then I decided it's better to write letters (or just emails...) and have posterity ravage through those instead, because having a journal is one of those things that sounds really good in theory until you realize it doesn't. Now I just use my journal books to write creative things in since that's much less of a waste of time and paper. What type am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    I used to make journals, then I decided it's better to write letters (or just emails...) and have posterity ravage through those instead, because having a journal is one of those things that sounds really good in theory until you realize it doesn't. Now I just use my journal books to write creative things in since that's much less of a waste of time and paper. What type am I?
    EII obviously, even using the word journal makes someone an EII

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    I always say when place people to ignore list.
    I'm on a vacation from our communication.
    Okay enjoy your vacation
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    EIE vs EII
    looking to a positive future vs wary because of the past
    conferring vs independent thinking
    convinced vs apprehensive
    closer vs advisor
    active vs passive
    power on the throne vs power behind the throne
    involved vs detached
    mouthy vs opinionated
    appears likeable vs appears trustworthy
    wooer vs preacher
    narrowly focused vs broadly assessing
    period vs etc. etc.

    a.k.a. I/O

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    I think some of them can come across very similar. They just make statements that tend to go towards different directions. Like do not overburden yourself (EII) or just go ahead and do this (EIE) etc.
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    Ugh this thread is problematic asf. Y'all go argue via inbox 😒

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    I think Beautiful sky is being unnecessarily petty and Subteigh is being incredibly passive-aggressive, but that still doesn't mean Beautiful sky's type is EII.

    @Beautiful sky, how did you come to self-type as EII, and what would you lose if you had a different type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusRose View Post
    EIE and EII...they are extinguishment relations. In my limited experience, they are extremely different from me. Much more passionate "on the surface" and poetic like an Fe ego, or the stereotypical EIE way. And even if that is somewhat subdued, the 2D Se is unmistakable. Very direct, kinda scary sometimes.

    I don't see how the two types can be easily confused for the other. In a way, they are literally the opposite of the other.
    Amen!

    Just had debate with EIE recently and when they no longer have an argument you will get them yelling at the top of their lungs, and probably yelling how evil you and anybody who is like you are. That Fe/Se combo, emotion and volition, ....emolition.

    And EIE tries to tell people who they are, it gets very presumptuous and disrespectful at times. Or maybe that's just my EIE friend. I doubt it though.





    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    I think Beautiful sky is being unnecessarily petty and Subteigh is being incredibly passive-aggressive, but that still doesn't mean Beautiful sky's type is EII.

    @Beautiful sky, how did you come to self-type as EII, and what would you lose if you had a different type?
    This sounds doesn't make much sense , it sounds like "hey just give in to being another type, it's not a big deal. "

    And it doesn't make sense because it's not like she's trying to remain type EII, she is convinced she is type EII and defending her conviction, not being EII to cause some trouble for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    This sounds doesn't make much sense , it sounds like "hey just give in to being another type, it's not a big deal. "

    And it doesn't make sense because it's not like she's trying to remain type EII, she is convinced she is type EII and defending her conviction, not being EII to cause some trouble for others.
    I want to know why it's a big deal other than she once read an EII description and decided to base a large part of her self-identity around it. She doesn't seem to have any non-circular reasons for self-typing EII. If she even had one I'd leave it alone because it's not a big deal what type someone is in socionics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    I want to know why it's a big deal other than she once read an EII description and decided to base a large part of her self-identity around it. She doesn't seem to have any non-circular reasons for self-typing EII. If she even had one I'd leave it alone because it's not a big deal what type someone is in socionics.
    Well if you are looking for a well constructed Ti reason, role Ti isn't gonna serve that up on a silver plate. I'm sure it's more than "I read the description one time." And I also doubt it's a huge deal more than it is just annoying for the particular person to keep questioning her about something she seems certain about already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Well if you are looking for a well constructed Ti reason, role Ti isn't gonna serve that up on a silver plate. I'm sure it's more than "I read the description one time." And I also doubt it's a huge deal more than it is just annoying for the particular person to keep questioning her about something she seems certain about already.
    Role Ti should have acquired enough experience to serve that up on a silver plate at this point even if it needs to phone a friend to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    Role Ti should have acquired enough experience to serve that up on a silver plate at this point even if it needs to phone a friend to do it.
    You know what, you're probably right about that, either way I'm sure she's just annoyed with Sol questioning her type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    You know what, you're probably right about that, either way I'm sure she's just annoyed with Sol questioning her type.
    I think she should just put together a post somewhere explicating why she's EII and put it to rest. I think Sol is probably just facing a linguistic barrier and I'd put more of the onus on Subteigh for being actively passive-aggressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    I think she should just put together a post somewhere explicating why she's EII and put it to rest. I think Sol is probably just facing a linguistic barrier and I'd put more of the onus on Subteigh for being actively passive-aggressive.
    I mean she's got videos, unless that's what you are referring to when you say circular reasoning.

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    I was thinking of the type nicknames and remembered this thread.

    I think either type could be hardcore humanists. Perhaps EIE even more so in some ways. You could say that about all the cute little nicks the types have though. I see now why one of the descriptions of EII assert they don't believe in any supernatural type stuff unless it is part of a specific religion they believe in. I wonder if that is in the original Russian texts.

    7. Ignoring (Fe)

    Extroverted ethics or “Fe” is responsible for the perception of an emotional state in an individual and the bodily and linguistic expression of emotions. Fe is able to influence others' emotional condition and to communicate its own, "infecting" others. Fe is used especially in generating and recognizing excitement and enthusiasm. In EIIs, Fe is strong but subdued.

    From the Fe page: The EII "is perfectly able to integrate in a group emotional situations, such as people having fun and trading jokes, and sustain that for a long period of time. He is also usually adept at promoting such an atmosphere himself. However, he sees no point in doing so if his own inner emotional state does not prompt him towards that, especially if he does not feel as having positive private feelings towards the other people involved. He is aware of the need to keep a "polite façade" in certain social situations even in the presence of people he personally dislikes or during periods of negative inner emotions, but he refuses to actively attempt to integrate in, or promote, a positive external emotional atmosphere in such occasions. His disinclination for doing so increases along with his feelings of closeness with the individuals present."

    From the EII page: "EIIs can become expressive and very lively in groups for brief periods of time, but they always gravitate to deep, focused communication between two people or a small, close-knit group. They tend to shun wildness and prefer serious, more sensitive communication."
    "EIIs are usually very straightforward about their feelings in front of others; what you see from them is what you get. Even at a party where everyone is supposed to be happy, they still find it hard to conceal their true feelings when they are in a bad mood. This can create distaste among the rest who feel that the EII is not cooperating by contributing to the positive and boisterous mood. This tends to lead others who don't know the EII well to have a misconception that he/she is a grouchy person by nature."

    8. Demonstrative (Ni)

    Introverted intuition or “Ni” is responsible for the estimation of the passage of time, the understanding of a course of processes in time, and forecasting. Ni understands how things may change and evolve over time and throughout history. Ni is acutely aware of events that are occurring outside of the immediate perception of the moment, and sees events as part of a continuous flow. Ni perceives the possible ramifications of future events and notices ties to the past. In EIIs, Ni is strong but subdued.

    From the EII page: "The EII is quite adept at following discussions on the developments of present trends into the future and at contributing to them on occasion if he feels so inclined, but he does not take that as seriously compared to investigating possibilities in the areas he is interested in at present. He usually dismisses supernatural claims as being silly, wishful thinking, unless they happen to be related to the very specific religion he feels inclined to believe in and which he may be inclined to make part of his leisure activities. The individual is also not naive to future happenings. He will often warn others of negative consequences. In this way, he uses his Ni to help the PoLR of his dual. However, unlike an EIE, he will not often take his own advice nor expect others to. His Se PoLR makes it impossible for him to demand that others heed his advice, and his Creative Ne makes him place more value in the possibility that he is wrong and that things will play out differently than in avoiding foreseeable disasters."

    From the Functions page: "An EII uses Ni mainly as a kind of game... They often intentionally go against its conventional usage simply to prove a point in favor of their Ne. However, Ni is used quite often in private, to produce information to support their Ne when focusing on making contact with the external world. An EII will often have just as sophisticated an understanding of Ni as they do of Fi. Unlike Fe, it plays a major part in their worldview, since as the vulnerable function of LSE it requires especially delicate attention. Thus, when an EII is given information regarding Ni by someone else, they will tend to take it as obvious information that is irrelevant to completely focus on. EIIs will often use the demonstrative function to defend and further support their beliefs made in the vulnerable function. Ni is the easiest function to use (after Fi) yet often occurs sporadically."

    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=EII_domain
    Conclusions about EIE traits

    There are so many different kinds of EIE that even other EIEs find them difficult to type. Their behavior depends on their mood and their mood and view of life depends on their upbringing. This is why EIEs can range from serious, sad and contemplative to extremely energetic and goofy happy. Their type traits can be extremely difficult to spot, hidden beneath their own self image.

    Gift Ideas

    What are some of the things you would like to receive, as an EIE? What kind of material objects would stimulate , , , or ?

    • Private notebooks -(AKA diarys) great for writing down, organizing, coalescing one's thoughts and feelings
    • Meditation CDs (Hemisync etc.) -respite to a rich dimension filled with inspiring senses ideally prepared by a professional

    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=EIE_domain
    Anyway it seems it is more of an atheistic or agnostic philosophy.


    Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.

    The lifestance of Humanism—guided by reason, inspired by compassion, and informed by experience—encourages us to live life well and fully. It evolved through the ages and continues to develop through the efforts of thoughtful people who recognize that values and ideals, however carefully wrought, are subject to change as our knowledge and understandings advance.

    This document is part of an ongoing effort to manifest in clear and positive terms the conceptual boundaries of Humanism, not what we must believe but a consensus of what we do believe. It is in this sense that we affirm the following:

    Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis. Humanists find that science is the best method for determining this knowledge as well as for solving problems and developing beneficial technologies. We also recognize the value of new departures in thought, the arts, and inner experience—each subject to analysis by critical intelligence.

    Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change. Humanists recognize nature as self-existing. We accept our life as all and enough, distinguishing things as they are from things as we might wish or imagine them to be. We welcome the challenges of the future, and are drawn to and undaunted by the yet to be known.

    Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience. Humanists ground values in human welfare shaped by human circumstances, interests, and concerns and extended to the global ecosystem and beyond. We are committed to treating each person as having inherent worth and dignity, and to making informed choices in a context of freedom consonant with responsibility.

    Life’s fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideals. We aim for our fullest possible development and animate our lives with a deep sense of purpose, finding wonder and awe in the joys and beauties of human existence, its challenges and tragedies, and even in the inevitability and finality of death. Humanists rely on the rich heritage of human culture and the lifestance of Humanism to provide comfort in times of want and encouragement in times of plenty.

    Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships. Humanists long for and strive toward a world of mutual care and concern, free of cruelty and its consequences, where differences are resolved cooperatively without resorting to violence. The joining of individuality with interdependence enriches our lives, encourages us to enrich the lives of others, and inspires hope of attaining peace, justice, and opportunity for all.

    Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness. Progressive cultures have worked to free humanity from the brutalities of mere survival and to reduce suffering, improve society, and develop global community. We seek to minimize the inequities of circumstance and ability, and we support a just distribution of nature’s resources and the fruits of human effort so that as many as possible can enjoy a good life.

    Humanists are concerned for the well being of all, are committed to diversity, and respect those of differing yet humane views. We work to uphold the equal enjoyment of human rights and civil liberties in an open, secular society and maintain it is a civic duty to participate in the democratic process and a planetary duty to protect nature’s integrity, diversity, and beauty in a secure, sustainable manner.

    Thus engaged in the flow of life, we aspire to this vision with the informed conviction that humanity has the ability to progress toward its highest ideals. The responsibility for our lives and the kind of world in which we live is ours and ours alone.


    Humanist Manifesto is a trademark of the American Humanist Association
    © 2003 American Humanist Association

    The following works have been declared by the AHA board as historic, and are superseded by Humanist Manifesto III:

    Are You Humanist?

    https://thehumanist.com/


    Humanism vs. Atheism
    Posted on July 16, 2000 by Carl Coon


    A couple of days ago, a 21 year-old student asked me: “Is it a contradiction of terms to be a Humanist but not an Atheist?” I replied approximately as follows:


    It depends on how you define your terms. I believe that the essence of humanism is a sense that humanity as a whole is more important than any of its subgroups. Basic to humanism is an attitude that starts with a sense of togetherness, a sympathy and a sharing, accompanied by a sense that you as an individual share responsibility for our collective future with all the rest of humanity.


    If you believe there is a God specifically dedicated to the protection or care of the group you happen to belong to, whether that group is defined by religion or race or whatever, and that your god supports your group as opposed to other groups, I don’t think you can properly be considered a true humanist.


    If you believe that there is a God up there someplace that you can invoke to alter specific things that are going to happen, you are not a true humanist. You are in effect passing the buck to an entity whose existence is unverifiable. The humanist says, in effect, the buck stops here.

    If you don’t submit to either of those two beliefs, however, you can be a humanist in practice even if you choose to believe in some higher power. Some atheists might dispute this, but I believe they are being unnecessarily exclusive, and underrate the need for all of us to work together to combat the pernicious forces of the conservative religious types. Issues like the separation of church and state are very important, and non-believers need to work together with sensible believers to make sure we suffer no return to theocratic tyranny.


    ******
    To put it in technical terms, there is a great gap between theists and deists, where deists believe there is a power up there but basically we are on our own. That gap is far more important, in practical terms, than the gap in belief between deists and atheists. As long as you recognize that human destiny is made here on earth, by us humans, and that we are solely responsible for what happens, whether you believe in God (the deist approach) or don’t (atheism) is a matter of choice, and an individual seriously concerned with the future of humanity can go either way. A deist with strong humanist leanings is likely to be a person that makes a positive contribution to humanity as a whole. I am a humanist who prefers not to believe in any superior power, but I welcome humanism wherever I find it. We need each other.


    https://www.progressivehumanism.com/...sm-vs-atheism/
    Both types are rationals in socionics. Both can be low key and private. Both can be humanists. Both can show their bad moods and be critical. Both can enjoy using journals and writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    EII, unlike EIE, tend to avoid bright and contrast colors alike on Maritsa's avatar. as they do not wish to agitate others, but prefer calm emotions
    The color combinations that agitate you do not necessarily agitate others. If you have a sensitivity to bright colors this makes sense but I don't think this is a effective way to sell your typings of EII to the masses considering you have posted videos showing people you consider EII being very annoying who weren't wearing muted colors. I will await your response after your temp ban if you choose to come back after it.

    Furthermore red is one of natures most amazing colors and nature artistically contrasts color very beautifully.





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    Quote Originally Posted by BrightDemonSheep96 View Post
    Everyone knows that socionics expertise rises up with post count and it follows logarithmic function

    e(p)=k*ln(p + s)

    where e is expertise, p is post count, s (>0) is your start up knowledge and k is constant provided by the elders of the socionics community.
    I came across this equation, and I wanted to break it down so everybody understands:

    (I am not perfect at math, so if I made a mistake, please correct me.)

    1. Logarithmic functions start to grow quickly, but grow slowly through time. Therefore, you wanted to show that people's expertise starts to grow quickly, but then grows slowly as a function of post count (p).
    2. Ln functions are logarithmic functions that start at a negative value. Therefore, we are assuming that one starts with a negative level of expertise.
    3. s (startup knowledge) shifts the curve to the left. Therefore, the higher the amount of startup knowledge you possess, the more the curve is shifted to the left. This means that a higher startup knowledge, gives you a relatively higher expertise at an earlier amount of posts.
    4. Since k is a constant, it is a 'fudge factor' (nothing wrong with that to me) that the elders decide on. I.e., it is an empirical factor that shapes the function vertically based on the elders' opinion.

    If any of the above is wrong, please correct me... (I had to think about this, so it took time to break it down...) Also, if anybody can find any other equations in the forum, I will try to break them down...
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