Annoying Ne
Ne has been annoying me a lot lately, as well as the people that use it.
'What if' thinking is bogus. Stop dealing in potentialities all the time. We can only deal with reality one step at a time. You are acting like something is true when it's not. It's just wishful thinking.
I know I'm arrogant for saying this but I don't see how anybody could value Ne.
What if it is?Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves
What a gay thing to say.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
Yes, let's just throw caution to the wind and not be on guard for anything, not anticipate anything, not learn from our past as it projects to the future.
INFj
9w1 sp/sx
Stop stubbornly refusing to divide up your abstractions into replicable and objective pieces.
You don't have a soul, the world doesn't have a soul, life doesn't have a soul, get over it.
Yay for sweeping generalizations.
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Who said anything about 'soul?' I'm confused! There you go using Ne again. Ugh.
yeah i was broadly generalizing.
Ni basically is concerned with "essences". Whether they manifest in a small thing like a person, or in a big thing like the earth, or in a process.
Ni makes a dynamic summation of a thing. A fluid essence like thing, which the word "soul" conveniently conveys.
Ne breaks up abstractions into parts. This is unpleasant to the Ni-er because they feel the abstraction must be taken as a whole. Everything has its unique essence that creates/is created by an eternal pattern. For Ne/Si the pattern is tangibly manifested for Se/Ni its not. Hence the symbolism dealio.
Eh, maybe I'm not being helpful.
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I am sorry. What if I was to write an apology?
or what if I made a hilariously sarcastic comment?
or what if I pretended I was a famous celebrity?
or what if animals were primarily composed of silicon?
or how would we protect the trade route between mars and earth if the red planet was colonized?
What if we built a sphere around earth with artificial heat and lighting so we could live on the outside of the sphere?
What if the calender had 12 months of 30 days each with 5 day weeks and an extra 5(6) day week at the end of the year?
What if...
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If Ne came in liquid form, it would be liquid awesome.
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
no you're not, please shut up.
oh Gilly go away. You've already proven you have no interest in debate besides whining about Ashton.
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Correction: YOU have clearly demonstrated that you have no intention of engaging in socionics discussion based on its inventor's stipulations besides mangling them with the neurotic, ego-gratifying interpretations of a self-promoting nutcase. Forget about that tidbit?
O HAI Gilly, how's the bike trip coming?
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
But a dyson sphere is much more efficient if you operate on the INSIDE of the sphere!
@ Gilly : Stop projecting all over me.
I'm not Ashton and I'm not the only person using "model x" (or w/e).
Reacting the way you are demonstrates a psychological problem. I simply gave a compiling of quotes that happened to be made by Ashton. You have been viciously attacking me and refused to evaluate the content of the quotes by virtue of their original compiler.
Now you are attacking my posts in other threads with the obvious motivation of either provoking me or finding a way to best me. Its annoying, please stop.
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If all that amounted to Ne was thinking "what if," then it would be a fairly worthless function. Thankfully it is not, and is even still only a minute fraction of what constitutes Ne. So your inability to see the value of Ne stems most likely stems from ignorance and not from an accurate assessment of value.
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jeez, this whole thread is so negative. can't anyone make an effort to thoroughly explain Ne? come on, people. do more than argue just for the sake of argument...... waste of time.
oh shit. i'm being negative :-x
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
its called the 16types forum. Its horrible generally and not worth it. I compulsively post here, but yeah its really not worth it so I'm basically done after today. Well at least Im gonna try to force myself to not post anything serious.
Good luck with the Ne
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Would you say this forum is going downhill?
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
lol probably not.
that would imply descent from somewhere higher.
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You first
This thread is now about waffles.
Waffles are fucking delicious, if I had a waffle right now I would eat it with maple syrup. But no sausages. They disgust me.
Meh.
depends what sausage.
Breakfast sausages are shit. Regular sausages are yummy yums.
penis.
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The ignoring function is supposed to be annoying. That's the perfect word for it. Annoying.
But we still use it how much we hate it.
And what is up with all the false definitions going on? Stop making up definitions for
etc, because they don't match up.
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I have a lot of problem with NE being a producing functions that is the problem for me, which makes it hard for me to focus.Ne doesn't bother me. Not if it is a fact of life and as some use to me and others. Yes...as long as it is useful. God bless my
Edit: Ne, to me, is really only annoying when people who suck at it think they are good at it or when Ne types think it's so much better than my Ni. Then I get pissed.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Yes the demonstrative position can seem overly simple, obvious and of course distracting.
Hey, don't rule anything out! Keep all your options open - you might find you love Ne sometime. Or maybe it'll help you out in some circumstance or another. Or maybe you'll meet someone you care about who values Ne. Or who maybe even has strong Ne! And maybe that'll change your mind about the whole thing! You never know.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Ne sucks. If I had any Ne in me, I'd be sad.
Ceci n'est pas une eii.
Well Ne-suggestions can help me, but it's like I just don't see the point. I have to listen to it and go against my own reasoning which is annoying for me because I'm so stubborn. =)Hey, don't rule anything out! Keep all your options open - you might find you love Ne sometime. Or maybe it'll help you out in some circumstance or another. Or maybe you'll meet someone you care about who values Ne. Or who maybe even has strong Ne! And maybe that'll change your mind about the whole thing! You never know.
Yay a socionics debate, does a gamma want to yank on my penis? I'll find it both offensive and sexually stimulating.
Model X Will Save Us!
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See that would also annoy me if I didn't have much time and wanted a fast decision, or wanted him to take it seriously. If there was more time however, I would have found that to be hilarious! Especially the volvo LOL
I asked my husband (ILE) for a bit of commitment and help to think about what we should buy for the kids for Christmas, and he goes "SAILBOAT" and then "SPACE SHUTTLE" and then "MOON" and then "VOLVO". I went "???", "???", "???" and "???". I thought he might meant some toy version of all of this, and asked for more information, but no, he laughed at me, and said he was talking about the real thing, and it was meant to be funny. It irritated me, I remember, but did I get any sympathy for the frustration I felt? NO! My husband called me boring.It was very late in December, and I was stressed. I have no idea if this is in any way Ne-related, but please feel free to sympathize.
Hi! I'm an ENFP. :-)
I highly agree, except for the sausages part. I fucking love sausage.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
A Dyson sphere surrounds a star, not a planet. A sphere surrounding a planet would be largely worthless.
On subject, there is nothing wrong with Ne, provided time is spent pondering realistic situations. I see Ne as a great tool for contingency planning and brainstorming. The worst plan is having no plan. Sure, most of the time things will go how they're expected, but every once in a while, they won't, and when that happens you need to be able to deal with the problem quickly and effectively.
yes I know, which is why I did not specify dyson sphere
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You use Ne too, you just don't care about it nor use it actively.
The way I've come to view Ne and Ni, in the simplest workable way I can conceive them, is that Ne is concerned with understanding new aspects of abstract matters, whereas Ni is concerned with enhancing their already established abstract ideas and connections. That isn't to say that Ne jumps from one thing to the other, nor that Ni stays completely settled upon one concept and revamps it repeatedly without end. However, Ne is necessary in order to explore these new concepts and connections between previously established ideas about matters, and Ni is necessary in order to develop extensive working ideas about ideas in order to recognize any new connections between ideas.
Sort of why I think Ne is viewed as "creative" while Ni is viewed as "imaginative." I think therein lies the distinction.
But they are completely necessary for each other.
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
When I first learn typology, I used to type people only by Abstract(intuitive) or Concrete(Sensing). people who have NI in their ego block will have strong Ne in their ID, and vice versa. One thing for sure is that both Ne, and NI are the work of the mind creativity hence, why I think that meyer briggs used (N)(S) to differentiate NE/NI and SE/SI and not all four Information element. Therefore to not make people confused.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
I think both Ne and Ni view the other as being grasped at fantasies/overly idealistic when really there is a bit of truth to both of that, and both functions are limited in that sense. The problem is is that (and yes I know I do this too in my Ni-way) Ne-valuers arrogantly dismiss anything I say with a new suggestion or an idea, and they don't realize they haven't even really delved as deep as they could go to the idea they just said a few seconds ago, so they really don't get me anywhere- even though, I might be a bit more 'well-balanced' and grounded if I follow their suggestions. They don't understand even if I do listen to them, I will just always find something important for me out of all those experiences and milk it for all it's worth until I create something that is meaningful to me and a few friends.
Yes you're absolutely correct. With my strong Ni, I want to do nothing more than turn my fantasies into a reality. That's just the way INFps are.
Hitta obviously values Ne, whereas I don't. And a lot of our relationship problems are based on this obviously clashing.
Hey if its NE dominant, ENFp and ENTp, they will have NI as ignoring function, which is why you have that problem. Maybe less so than INXj.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
I do not think that the Ne-egos arrogantly dismiss what you say with new ideas. They are providing new ones, but this is not dismissing. They can delve into ideas quite easily, but that is not their goal. That is your goal, but this does not make Ne-egos somehow terrible.
Actually, they probably would understand, since this is how it operates with their Si-ego pals. The Ne-ego throws suggestions out there, and Si-egos pick one (or are advised as to the optimum ones) and run with it.They don't understand even if I do listen to them, I will just always find something important for me out of all those experiences and milk it for all it's worth until I create something that is meaningful to me and a few friends.
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