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    Default Socionics experiment: night at the ballroom

    Let's say you're at some huge ballroom gala or something. And literally every person in the room is your conflictor. (or maybe just opposite quadra- and Fe valuing if you are not and Fi valuing if you are not.) And it has like idk... 300+ people in the ballroom. You also cannot leave the party for at least 4 hours.

    How would that one person feel? Would they naturally have suicidal thoughts? (I know that this scenario isn't very likely as there is bound to be a mix of some people that would be in your quadra and/or share some valued functional elements with) I just want to know what you would think to happen to this one person that wasn't like them if that situation arises.

    Oh and the person wasn't all that happy and confident to begin with, kind of blah and average. Not really too depressed or anything, just mentally kind of hum drum.

    (I think I asked something like this before but I forgot what everybody said so um this is the 2017 version)

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    A room full of my conflictors or your conflictors?

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    Your conflictors, @Adam Strange. So 300+ SEIs if you're LIE.

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    Id get drunk, obviously.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Try to make them eat each other. At 300+ people that's enough 4-6 people conversations circles to experiment on for 4 hours. Could be pretty instructive actually.

    That being said, would SLIs actually talk to each other to start with?

    In any case, plan B is jump out of a window and go visit the hospital for a breath of fresh air.
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    That being said, would SLIs actually talk to each other to start with
    Yeah certain types it would be much easier to get them to turn on each other and a room full of SLIs would be so naturally suspicious anyway... good plan.

    I'm thinking this might be the most hell for something like one EII and 300+ SLEs.



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    Sit there for four hours like I did at that last wedding I attended. Probably play tetris if my cell phone was charged.

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    I'd just sit in a corner and pretend I was asleep.
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    bring weed with me for one or two people so they can mellow the fuck out


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullets View Post
    And literally every person in the room is your conflictor
    You will just be the outcast, not much more. I guess some gay people will feel like this at a hetero party too?

    according to the description and real life experience the conflictors find mutually attraction in the beginning, so 4 hours would be ok i guess.

    For me personally i would still try to hit on a hot girl there, and don't let me holdback on the fact that conflictor is the only flavor around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullets View Post
    Your conflictors, @Adam Strange. So 300+ SEIs if you're LIE.
    300 SEI's, you mean Adam is at a sex orgy?

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    300+ IEEs... I would hate having to stay tuned out of the conversations for 4 long hours but what other option do I have... well, I'd find a way to not let them speak much. They are the opposite sex right?

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    They are the opposite sex right?
    I don't know whatever sex combination would bother you the most. It's supposed to be incredibly uncomfortable haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullets View Post
    How would that one person feel? Would they naturally have suicidal thoughts?
    just because I am in a ballroom doesn't mean I will be interested in socializing, and if I don't interact with anyone then them being my conflictors or duals won't matter, right?

    I just want to know what you would think to happen to this one person that wasn't like them if that situation arises.
    why do you want to know? and how would you feel if you were that person?

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    just because I am in a ballroom doesn't mean I will be interested in socializing, and if I don't interact with anyone then them being my conflictors or duals won't matter, right?
    Well other people would approach you and you wouldn't be able to do that the entire time. They would not let you be just a wallflower. That would be like breaking the rule of leaving.

    why do you want to know? and how would you feel if you were that person?
    Just curious on what effect it would have. How would I feel? I'm still figuring it out - probably like shocked alive and not in the good way. It would be so intense- but I think I'd be really stronger towards the end of it.

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    Awesome idea, more of that! Love it.
    So, I looked at the scenario from an enneagram perspective in addition to the quadra issue.

    You described two situations in the OP, one asked for the average person, the other for our personal opinion.

    An average person: Likely in distress, repercussions may be severe. If they are E4, E6, E8 or E9, they could have a real problem E4 would try to make themselves even more different and experiences twice the backlash. The only way they could enjoy it would be through having a "saviour" figure around, or an opportunity to vent. E6 - the most difficult case - would have nobody who could offer them guidance making them go paranoid (if they are counterphobic --> see @phantombride's comment ). E8 would either go Hulk & crash the party or hide in a e5-like fashion. In the Hulk scenario, they WOULD exit the gala earlier either on their own or because they are escorted out by the police, caging them in would be very difficult. E9 would simply break down at the disharmony they perceive, especially since they cannot withdraw :/ If they have a good attitude, they CAN blend in perfectly, although it may be taxing.

    A self-described proud non-average person, aka the iconic divine 3w4 diva Chae wink wink: For real now - I would have the time of my life. Why? I see it as a challenge. I'd enjoy portraying an opposite quadra image and would likely stay longer because it's so intensely stimulating. Being in a room of adversary energy caters to my drive of being a projection sphere, I would adapt and become the best among equals. I mean. It's a gala! One should have fun and get along somehow, even if it means becoming someone else. The only problem I have: 300+ PEOPLE! WHAT A HUGE MOB!! I would spend the evening in small conversations to figure these people out individually, more listening than talking so I know what's up. I would observe the general habitus and select the best elements of it to bond with people. Another aspect I would consider, I would go for the synflow members and look for E7. E7 is the paragon of every group so knowing them will help me understand the crowd at large. Befriending them will give me reputation also and get me acquainted/established, even if it's for a short time like this. Either way, I would not become suicidal but very excited, it's a good opportunity to test my acting skills. Also, even if I don't feel good there, 4 hours are manageable. I survived 12 years of school where many people seemed to have values completely opposite to me, so this should be easy

    The rest of the enneagram types: E1 will spend the evening criticizing or trying to convert people to their own mindset - it depends on health, if they are the average person you described, they will do the former. E2 - has a good time like me because they will become everyone's darling quickly, but motivated by more altruism than me who likes playing with images for the image's sake. The unhealthy E2 might exit the gala feeling completely unloved and angry, but they would try to withstand the pressure because they care so much about the people </3 E5 is an interesting case... they would simply engage in a detached analysis unless the emotional atmosphere overwhelms them. They need a separate place or a small convo to get through. E7 will be rejected because their methods of having fun are not appreciated - but since they are perceived as popular and find worthwhile things, they do have a chance of having a good time since people, even from the opposite quadra, look up to them and can identify themselves maybe in the demonstrative function of E7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullets View Post


    Well other people would approach you and you wouldn't be able to do that the entire time. They would not let you be just a wallflower. That would be like breaking the rule of leaving.


    of course they will approach me but if I don't find them interesting, I can become as boring as hell so they will happily leave me alone
    from my experience I think people approach you if you are alone because they think you feel lonely and want to save you, but they don't know that I don't really mind being alone
    to me I prefer be alone or with the people I consider as friends (or interesting if they are new) other than that I can show no interest and pay attention only to my phone
    in the end no one like to be ignored so they will happily leave me alone as I said before

    Just curious on what effect it would have. How would I feel? I'm still figuring it out - probably like shocked alive and not in the good way. It would be so intense- but I think I'd be really stronger towards the end of it.
    how would you be stronger in the end?

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    @Chae I can't tell if you're disgusted by my comment or you're using that emoticon as sympathy, AND how did you get my enneagram type correctly from one comment you magician

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantombride View Post
    @Chae I can't tell if you're disgusted by my comment or you're using that emoticon as sympathy, AND how did you get my enneagram type correctly from one comment you magician
    It was more of an "oh dear"/"oh no" moment. But since you're asking so explicitly, you can interpret in a way that it gratifies you since you aimed exactly at either disgust or sympathy by writing it.

    Concerning the second, that was a combination of ethics and intuition. I picked up the feel and knew what was going on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    It was more of an "oh dear"/"oh no" moment. But since you're asking so explicitly, you can interpret in a way that it gratifies you since you aimed exactly at either disgust or sympathy by writing it.

    Concerning the second, that was a combination of ethics and intuition. I picked up the feel and knew what was going on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullets View Post


    I don't know whatever sex combination would bother you the most. It's supposed to be incredibly uncomfortable haha.
    Oh, if I can't even have sex with the more attractive looking ones then that would be the least desirable option so sure, make all of them girls :/

    Then I'll just go sit in the corner and chat with friends on my phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullets View Post
    Well other people would approach you and you wouldn't be able to do that the entire time. They would not let you be just a wallflower. That would be like breaking the rule of leaving.
    Oh that wasn't clear. OK, whatever, I'd just try to focus on the Fe demonstrative instead of all that Ne, I guess.

    To be serious, I don't think I'd be all that affected, really. 4 hours of some uncomfortable situation isn't a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post

    To be serious, I don't think I'd be all that affected, really. 4 hours of some uncomfortable situation isn't a big deal.
    It is a big deal to me. 4 hours for me would be a long time to endure. I have a low tolerance for discomfort though and/or we perceive it differently.
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    i think it would be interesting to observe a bunch of people who share at least one quadra value dyad. naturally i would try to tell myself i was there undercover, for observation only. frankly if i was SEI in a room full of LIEs surely at least one of them could explain economics to me. with a room full of them, i'm sure some of them would be capable of speaking with people who communicate differently. plus, i mean conflict only gets bad after you've been close for a little while, so you could for these 4 hours pass as your quasi-identical by acting of the opposite temperament (i.e. rational instead of irrational). all that said, it sounds terribly boring and i really would rather not go. do i have to? i mean 4 hours at a ballroom gala? *longs for time alone*

    although one only need find one person to talk to and then you can both leave. i mean ideally as i'm rarely ever so socially forward and even more rarely would i inspire myself to be so.
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