Feminism Test

[Pallas]

Calling yourself a feminist just invites other people to project their idea of what a feminist is on you, which usually involves the internet produced image of a browbeaten man getting screamed at by a woman with a brightly colored buzzcut for sitting with his legs too wide or something.

Labels are bad. Especially since I tend to be the one sitting with my legs too wide or something. (Proof of enneagram?) But really, labels are bad. It's just a way of working top-down from stereotypes, but you'll never reach the bottom. Politics is mostly like sports for people who want to seem smart and savvy. Not wanting a label because you take it seriously and don't want to be in a sheeple tribe gets people looking at you like an alien. It doesn't seem like you can hold people in general to very high standards though.

[Pallas]

Also, I don't think the kind of feminism you see online is really liberal feminism even if radical feminists call Tumblrites "libfems". Liberal means human rights, free markets, etc. and the test even describes it as that with Mary Wollstonecraft and the other examples. It tends to be seen as somewhat right-wing in the cases where people aren't just confused by it (although it's really just government based on individualism and not very conservative socially). Tumblr feminism is pretty internally incoherent but mostly based on the Frankfurt School, if the Frankfurt School's ideologies were the starting phrases in a telephone game played entirely by whiny ascendant bourgeoise (in other words, people the Frankfurt School would hate) adolescents and basement-bound younger adults on the Internet.

[ashlesha]

Also, I don't think the kind of feminism you see online is really liberal feminism even if radical feminists call Tumblrites "libfems". Liberal means human rights, free markets, etc. and the test even describes it as that with Mary Wollstonecraft and the other examples. It tends to be seen as somewhat right-wing in the cases where people aren't just confused by it (although it's really just government based on individualism and not very conservative socially). Tumblr feminism is pretty internally incoherent but mostly based on the Frankfurt School, if the Frankfurt School's ideologies were the starting phrases in a telephone game played entirely by whiny ascendant bourgeoise (in other words, people the Frankfurt School would hate) adolescents and basement-bound younger adults on the Internet.

Where I've seen "liberal feminism" used derogatorily by radical feminists is in reference to the idea that anything can be empowering as long as the individual enjoys it, with the implication that this ignores how personal choices are influenced by and influence broader social systems ie the debate over whether stripping can be feminist. It makes sense to me in that context.

[Pallas]

Where I've seen "liberal feminism" used derogatorily by radical feminists is in reference to the idea that anything can be empowering as long as the individual enjoys it, with the implication that this ignores how personal choices are influenced by and influence broader social systems ie the debate over whether stripping can be feminist. It makes sense to me in that context.

Same. That's like "apply liberally" and really seems like a pretty perfect inversion of how people use "radical" to mean extremist and crazy when that's not what it technically means in the name radical feminism.

[Theoria]

[Pallas]

[Aylen]

I got highest on liberal feminism 76%
Marxist 58%
45 and 46% on the other two
lowest was traditionalism at 37%

[Olimpia]

I got highest on liberal feminism 76%
Marxist 58%
45 and 46% on the other two
lowest was traditionalism at 37%

That's interesting...

So what do you think is the role of the man in a relationship? Like... the dynamic. Or what do you expect of men in general or of your potential partner specifically?
And what are your views on marriage? Just curious. ^-^'

[Aylen]

That's interesting...

So what do you think is the role of the man in a relationship? Like... the dynamic. Or what do you expect of men in general or of your potential partner specifically?
And what are your views on marriage? Just curious. ^-^'

I don't really have hardcore stances on this stuff. I answered in the middle for a lot because I wasn't sure either way. The role depends on the relationship obviously. Keep in mind I am sx first so I don't feel my relationships have to conform to any societal (moral) standards. I have been in a relationship where I was the only one working and they did all the hard work like cooking, cleaning, paying bills, making sure everything required for daily living was done. I have also been in relationships where I stayed at home and they worked plus cooked and helped me clean or hired someone to do it. I think marriage is a personal choice made between two people and I have no problem with people choosing what is right for them. It's none of my business how others choose to commit or show their love. If I were with a millionaire I might see marriage as the easiest route to making sure I was not left broke if they died, especially if there were people who could contest the will. I have seen generally nice people turn into greedy jerks when it comes to money and it can even tear families apart. Wouldn't mean I was gold digging, just looking out for my future. I guess what bothers me is the idea of girls forced into plural marriages. That is basically abuse and brainwashing but if adults choose it and they are not harming anyone then whatever.

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Keep in mind I am sx first so I don't feel my relationships have to conform to any societal (moral) standards.

Just for the record.. I m so-first, yet I do not think I want there to be a certain pattern/moral for relationships.

I agree with @Aylen when she says every relationship is unique and cannot be compared, once you've had a real and deep connection with someone roles and positions just vanish/ are not as important anymore as the wonderful @Herzy once said. I also do not want to be completely dependant, what if something happens or you break up, what will be left of you as an individual or how will you be able to get back on your feet by yourself?
I would say I agree with lots 'feminist' ideologies, yet I do not call myself one, because I think any movement is just there to be understood as a message and no movement is clear-cut, there are too many branches to say feminism is X. Most of my values are pretty left-ist.
I hate when so many people say 'femnazi' or use feminism as such a negative term when they 1. probably never experienced many of the things happening to women and other discriminated groups themselves (yes there will be women who grew up guarded enough that they will not have experienced the daily sexism many others did, doesn't mean tons of others don't experience it), the thing is to see this as something bigger than oneself thus empathy is needed and a bigger understanding of how things are linked to each other and to get out of your bubble with "but we are equal". 2. just bash something without understanding something through empathy, just because they might feel threatened by something they cannot comprehend.

It's a bit like trying to understand racism when you never experienced it.. you will probably make it look insignificant "it's not like that anymore" when you actually do not know shit about what actually happens out there and how someone lives who IS discriminated against. I also did that a few times.. but I am trying to improve my empathy and understanding for others.

[Jerdle]

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No surprises here.

[The Reality Denialist]

Talk about loaded questions.



I skipped most of the questions (hence traditionalism is so high) because you can not speak about women and men as being representatives of their group.

[velveteen]

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I personally find it hard to adhere to any social movement and generally pick specifics to care about, so I don't think of myself as a feminist and definitely don't refer to myself as one. But I believe our economic system perpetuates sexism.

[totalize]

surprise surprise

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[SpreeFirit]

I scored "Feminism is Cancer."

[Tonatiuh]