Mike Tyson - SLE? the sx is strong with this one
Mike Tyson - SLE? the sx is strong with this one
Lars Muhl: IEI
I've been saying this for years.Originally Posted by silke
that compilation explains Trump's covfeve haha! man, SLEs are such weirdosI've been saying this for years.
.....life brought him a system he could trust. Hahaha. Ah man.
I feel for sociopaths. They are always, forever, going to be 'my'self. They can never find freedom from selfhood. They can only maneuver from the point of view of the little me. All the rest of the narrative regarding life is fine. Sociopaths sure do love an audience, eh.? Haha, free? No son, more bound than you can ever possibly be aware. The lemmings in the comments crack me up..healed? No sweetie, just wearing another coat, another role, still playing you all. At least he learned how to play nice by *logicking* his way into it. So there was some utility in Jesus for him. I can respect the self analysis though, watching your own life for answers. But I'm not fooled by it. This is just another game for him, at least this time he is not bashing people's brains in while he plays, because he saw that wasn't working for him.
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Kimberly Carter Gamble - ENFJ
there are ethics discussions where it's asserted that sociopaths who choose to do right could actually be more noble than the average human and just as validly ethical--since they're choosing to work in a group with mutually beneficial constructs and schema without the mental high that most people get from social participation--they're not even getting the reward physically made it so easy for most pro-social behavior.
I feel for sociopaths. They are always, forever, going to be 'my'self. They can never find freedom from selfhood. They can only maneuver from the point of view of the little me. All the rest of the narrative regarding life is fine. Sociopaths sure do love an audience, eh.? Haha, free? No son, more bound than you can ever possibly be aware. The lemmings in the comments crack me up..healed? No sweetie, just wearing another coat, another role, still playing you all. At least he learned how to play nice by *logicking* his way into it. So there was some utility in Jesus for him. I can respect the self analysis though, watching your own life for answers. But I'm not fooled by it. This is just another game for him, at least this time he is not bashing people's brains in while he plays, because he saw that wasn't working for him.
I admire it.
Anyway, there's proof for empathy in people with a disorder in this same family of them (i forget was it sociopathy or psychopathy?). http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-23431793
who knows what kinds of adaptations the'll be able to make in the future with the knowledge that there's possibility for them?
In my life the ones I've met don't seem all that high functioning and often are creating huge messes, which they interpret incorrectly and only exacerbates everything. Lot's of collateral damage. On the same token sociopaths seem to have a morbid curiosity to see "what will happen if I.." so that might give them some sort of power.
There is always a little hope for being a functioning person though as this guy demonstrates. I mean, he's not killing people so I guess it (religion-ancient therapy) is a overall good thing in this case? Do I believe he is cured? hell no. Only treated the symptoms and learned how to function. I mean, even the act of making the videos is attention seeking and I speculate he gets a kick out of being so eloquently manipulative in his new role of apostle. Even still, in his speech he said he new he needed to change and was at the end of his rope, so there is usually some hope for freedom (humanity has freedom inside, otherwise there would be no hope for anybody). He wanted to escape his misery so that desire itself was what propelled the change. Releasing yourself, your pain and suffering, to Jesus is a form of therapy, it's a way of letting the mind let something go and it works for lots of people. Because the Jesus message is that he is a shortcut to God and all that you have done wrong is ok...that is incredibly freeing to a suffering mind and heart to get back to source. Its hard being the little me. You cannot cure a sociopath, which in other words is a form of complete selfishness. Many try though, at their peril. With finding religion and Jesus, you really only can get as much as you want to believe. Which is why it's not going to work for everyone. You have to want it.
As far as empathy goes, sociopaths feel empathy as much as I understand and are often a product of upbringing. Conduct disorder in childhood leading to anti-social personality disorder in adulthood. Psychopaths (not a term used in DV-SM anymore?) have a inability to empathize so they mirror emotions and are usually more functional then sociopaths. IME, what marks a sociopath is that they want attention, even bad attention. Narcissism is found in both, and neither. Narcissism by itself is usually harmless unless it has toxic elements, where the narc wants to tear down, destroy, or teach in destructive ways. They reasons they want to do that run from envy all the way to superiority, or insecurity. Whole bunch of reasons.
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What an annoying ass voice. He sounds like a car salesman.
I feel for sociopaths. They are always, forever, going to be 'my'self. They can never find freedom from selfhood. They can only maneuver from the point of view of the little me. All the rest of the narrative regarding life is fine. Sociopaths sure do love an audience, eh.? Haha, free? No son, more bound than you can ever possibly be aware. The lemmings in the comments crack me up..healed? No sweetie, just wearing another coat, another role, still playing you all. At least he learned how to play nice by *logicking* his way into it. So there was some utility in Jesus for him. I can respect the self analysis though, watching your own life for answers. But I'm not fooled by it. This is just another game for him, at least this time he is not bashing people's brains in while he plays, because he saw that wasn't working for him.
G. I. Gurdjieff - EIE 1w9 sx/sp (maybe SLE?)
Topanga - IEI [7:50]
Gurdjieff - mb ILI
As there is no "complete selfishness" in people, there is a possibility to cure it, to reinforce the self-control, compassion and to learn get pleasure by being "good" with others. Common behavioral therapy may help.
To be socially "good" may be set by direct reward/punishment stimulation.
With the compassion would help emotional people near from which that person depends - to make the situation when he felt better when they feel better.
There should be researches of how to fix young criminals. Some ways could to have good results.
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a wild IEI-Fe appears at 4:00min
I largely agree and have a lot of respect for what you've written but have hope for them in controlled environments (maybe always, maybe only at first). I used to work with several very violent ones. Unfortunately they were given to much freedom by those in authority and were allowed to torture when I wasn't there. When I was left alone with them, they showed some prosocial behavior. Actually showed great personal discomfort from fledgling empathy after their more capable victim talked with them, etc.
IEI sx/sp 9w8
edit: don't remember if i have already posted this in this thread somewhere
What a brat. Funny the way the elder woman just shushes his off.
Thank-you for showing me your respect that means a lot.
I have known a few personally, and i have also worked with some. Not all are violent, yet I do also recognize this quality. There is always hope in some sense, yet for the most part, logistically speaking, and depending on age and stage, it is best to keep contact to a minimum. Baring that, at the least you need to come to expect and react differently towards them. You need to see them as different kinds of people. PS, this idea that showing vulnerability towards them is a huge mistake. They are often exploitative and often cannot help themselves. They see your kindness and compassion as something they can use to exploit further. Not all have the sadistic side either. I recently met one that was most prosocial and very much liked and likeable, yet clearly he was a logical type to begin with and could think his way into empathy. He told me this in front of his employees, yesterday weirdly enough, lol. Plus he had positive life experiences more than negative, so his traits were less maladaptive. Another was most brutal and cruel. Circling petty crime and making a mess of his life far into mid-life.
Yet another, who I met on a back patio at a party, through the course of our conversation, revealed seeds of deep, deep, bitterness and hatred, anger towards I had later come to understand what for. He was also extremely smart, and I sensed cunning. Yet, each man has choices, and he chose to experience his in anti-social fashion. Him and I NEVER got along, we always bickered, and nobody ever really took my side. I couldn't give a fuck what he thought of me, becaue I thought he was a little weasle. Although, I always tried to be polite with him. Which was fine with me, because I knew something was with him and I learned some of the circumstances that made him so angry. Several years later, a major mystery in my home town was solved. The fire starter, the arsonist, who burned down like 30 some on buildings, structures, cars, and one public Grande Stand built in the turn of the century, was revealed to be that same bitter man I met all those years ago.
Turns out the police had be tailing him for some time, trying to catch him red handed. When they did finally arrest him, he quickly phoned his accomplice, who rushed home to get the computer hard drives. The police also arrested this man and viewed the contents of his computer to reveal a stache of kiddie porn. Fucking degenerate. He had a "good lawyer" who weasled him out of the possesion and disturbution of child pornagraphy charge, something about the computer not a part of the original warrant, or some other law technicality. ...No worry because when he finally does go to prison, it will be shown he is a goof and it won't be fun for him. I felt totally vindicated on trusting my instincts. I could finally understand that what I sensed about him was true. He is a piece of shit. Did I feel compassion for him when I knew him? Of course, I always treat people with empathetic understanding. At some point you need to understand that people make choices for themselves because for all intents and purposes free will is a thing. At another point, you need to realize that people do not change, they are on a path and their choices are paving the way. You cannot fix everybody and its practising naivety to try.
https://globalnews.ca/news/3028320/v...f-new-charges/
I wrote him on his facebook after I read the newspaper article about him
---->Later, with a bracelet on his ankle, he went to speak to mutual friends about what he did. Tried to garner sympathy "oh I did it for this and this reason.." The truth was he showed no remorse. No remorse is a distinct quality in sociopaths. They don't feel they need to apologize for what they do, because to them they feel things are somehow justified.I knew from second one when I met you on Willy's back patio that you were a fucking PSYCHOPATH. Never liked you, only pretended to because I am polite. Seems my gut instincts were correct: you are a sick criminal. Have fun in jail...hopefully for the remainder of your natural life. You get what you deserve for your crimes......LOOSER.
This is a unique case.
Controlled environments is fine way to approach this. Nothing wrong with boundaries. This takes a degree of maturity and self awareness on our part, so as to not be lost in the game. If you are not a very strong person, you need to stay away.
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@Sol
On one hand you have the part of your brain and therefore mind that is not localized in a self. It is raw awareness, source, god, freedom, no self, whatever you want to call it. On the other hand, for all intents and purposes, many people ARE the self and never get a glimpse of anything but the constant self building their entire lives. They are, logistically speaking, >selfish<. For them, they ARE completely selfish. For you to not recognize this is just blind naivety on your part.As there is no "complete selfishness" in people
There is a possibility to cope with it.there is a possibility to cure it
Yes.to reinforce the self-control
I don't think you understand what you are dealing with.compassion and to learn get pleasure by being "good" with others.
Possibly. How well is it working for those sent to prison as punishment?.......... Anyway, I personally don't believe the vast majority are hopeless cases, but I think you need to make the distinction between those expressing sociopathic qualities and those who actually ARE sociopaths, psychopaths. TV shows like Pit Bulls and Parolees comes to mind.Common behavioral therapy may help.
To be socially "good" may be set by direct reward/punishment stimulation.
Maybe for some. Most definitely not for others.With the compassion would help emotional people near from which that person depends - to make the situation when he felt better when they feel better.
I agree.There should be researches of how to fix young criminals. Some ways could to have good results.
I'm done with this topic. Please don't talk to me anymore about it.
With the behavior. Emotional behavior like compassion is the cognitive behavior which can be corrected by behavioral methods.
Sociopathy disorder can be cured.
I said I'm done.
https://www.wikihow.com/Understand-and-Help-Sociopaths
- Sociopaths are not generally considered "treatable" in the way mental health professionals can manage or treat other mental health issues. There are no medicines that can be used to help sociopaths, for instance, and other therapies have a poor prognosis.
- A sociopath typically does not want to be cured, even if there was a really treatment. (There are a few exceptions) They may take advantage of a person seeking to reach out to "cure" them through kindness, financial support, emotional bonding, and the like
- Sociopaths can be very socially and psychologically savvy, and may use this to manipulate you without you being fully aware. If your gut feeling is that you should not agree to something, honor that feeling, no matter what they say or do.
Have empathy. While these people often are the source of a lot of frustration, pain, and hurt, remember that they are human, too. Despite these people often being very hard to love, it is for this reason they are in special need of empathy, care, and respect.
- Do not excuse negative behavior, but be willing to share love and compassion with a fellow human.
- Many people that grow up to show sociopathic tendencies were subjected to childhood verbal, physical and/or sexual abuse. Many experienced chaotic or unstable families while growing up, or the loss of a parent.[17] While this is not an excuse for behavior, it can allow you to have compassion on a person who has had a difficult or traumatic childhood and had to find other less-adaptive ways to survive.
- Remember, however, that sociopaths are completely aware of their behavior and effects on others. An abusive past is not an excuse for bad behavior.
- Also be careful in what a sociopath says about their past if it cannot be confirmed. Sociopaths will often lie or blur the truth about themselves, and stating they were abused or dealt with trauma can be used to garner sympathy.
- Note that you need to have firm, appropriate boundaries. For most people, the way to fully heal damage to a relationship is to trust again. However, with sociopaths that may be very unwise. Forgive and move on, but be careful not to put yourself in a situation where you can be very vulnerable. While sociopaths do not necessarily cause harm, because they do not feel remorse, guilt, or the like, there is a high likelihood they will repeat the hurtful behavior.
- Showing empathy and forgiveness is good...but keep in mind that acting in such a way will not in any way mean they will feel any remorse, guilt, or have a change of heart at all.
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Izzy Bizu - INFP
But there are no princliple obstacles pointed for this to be impossible like you've said. And if someone did not success significantly this does not mean this can't be done at all. I've offered the core ways to fix this. And offered you to check the results with young criminals, which are similar case.
The approach with "sociopaths" should be mixed with pedagogy to get better results. Medics do not do the socialization, while this is not lesser important for them than psyche issues leading them to behavioral and cognitive differences. Also medics don't care to treat seriously and search the ways to do this for those who don't want to be treated - medics need only loyal patients to make money, only pedagogues are other case. For government it's ok to place them in prisons where they work as slaves, than to change them inside and to help socialize - no one cares about them and it's very comfortable to think they can't be treated. Like in past no one cared in USA about blacks - which were not thought as normal humans, - that was comfortable.
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Faouzi Arzouni - Ni-IEI synflow
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Faouzi Arzouni - mb INFP
Uganda's president - Yoweri Museveni - is Ti-SLE
Cesar Millan - SLE-Se sp/so
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IEI so/sx
This musician strikes me as IEI.
In the podcast, he discusses how he basically was using every aspect of his song "One" as a form of symbolism for that enneagram type. For example, he used the "perfect" key of C and bpm of 120 to represent the type's perfectionism and, for lack of a better word, traditionalism. His associative thinking in that area felt really Ni-Fe.
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
Cesar is one of the best exemplars out there of what Se is-looks like- does. I interpret his style as creative use of systems of relations. Very healthy man/mind. No anger, no confusion, no violence, no sadism. Strong, clear, object sensing.
LSI examples
@Number 9 large
Roman Adamov - ENFJ
Emilie Simon - INFP
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Veronika Tarot 1001 - EIE
Thomas Brodie-Sangster - LSI
Will Poulter - SLE
Sir Oswald Mosley - LSI-Se sp/so 6w5
Elena Dudina (KTCKlin) - INFP
IEI-
My personal commentary about this... that woman needs to finally kick him to the trash where he belongs, there is no hope. Second chances are overrated for vile men like these. The reason why he made such a sudden change leaving her and immediately got together with another girl? He got cold feet and deviously cheated way before their wedding. There is no other explanation, this behaviour is typical. He doesn't want her and she just keeps the faith - incredible. Too naive to see they could not give each other what they needed and he could not face her, still does not do it. The cowardice, at least you should be transparent about why you don't love someone anymore. I wouldn't be worried about messing with family tradition or divorce at 26. Her well-being over the expectations of the family, fuck em. Divorce is necessary, plus that guy should feel some fire. Especially since he made her financially dependent and literally unable to survive on her own. I feel very bad for her. And yes, also the other woman involved, who knows what awaits her when he continues the pattern. Hetero marriage and forced monogamy is poison. I can't believe it's 2018.
Ivan Kozhedub - ESTP
Blonde in the Belly of the Beast - E*E
Banks - ENFP(?)
KeepCalmAndBlushOn - not INFP
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Cartia Mallan - SEE(?)
Socionics is too speculative at now state to try seriously explain type's versions. My aim is to say opinions only. This gives more basis to think about these versions to others.
My main method is intuitive impressions from nonverbal behavior. You may look in my signature for bloggers to understand which people I see by which types. This may help to understand me to some degree.
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