Gulenko's typings of forum members AKA Big G SquaD

[DEAD]

There are too many EIE and LSI there for me to take his typings seriously past a surface level.

[Manatroid92]

There are too many EIE and LSI there for me to take his typings seriously past a surface level.

Keep in mind his typings are not indicative of the population at large, it's only the people who both elect to pay to be professionally typed by him and also are willing to come here to share it.

[WVBRY]

Was Ben Vaserlan typed as LII-C by Gulenko?

The fact someone doesn't or hasn't posted much on here isn't an issue: as long as they're a forum member. But it does matter that Gulenko typed them, since I wanted to keep this thread about that.

[myresearch]

Was Ben Vaserlan typed as LII-C by Gulenko?

The fact someone doesn't or hasn't posted much on here isn't an issue: as long as they're a forum member. But it does matter that Gulenko typed them, since I wanted to keep this thread about that.

Yeah with E accentuation. Not a paid typing but he has been typed.

I kind of want to get typed by Gulenko just to see what everyone says when he types me beta when I'm so obviously not. There is no way I'm spending $200 on that though lol

There are two people typed as SEI by G in Ben's channel, I shared those in a post under this thread. But those people arent on the forum or havent declared their typing.

There is one SLI youtuber typed by G as Varlawend mentioned in his post under this thread. But again she is not here or havent declared her typing.

All 3 of them typed themselves as something else beforehand as far as I know.

In some environments you can find certain types more. It is not that people dont get those typings but in this place, people dont or declare such.

[Poptart]

@Varlawend are you tight with gulenko?

[on a peaceful hiatus]

Ben Vaserlan isn't an LII at all. I briefly mentioned it to gulenko's team and they agreed but I don't remember what they typed him as since it has been long ago. Ben writes plays and constantly has video interviews with groups of people. Not only do I dislike organizing stuff as an LII, I also almost always analyze things alone or at most one on one. His face also looks super ethical

https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/ima...7ifH5YiTwDnJfU

I think he's an IEI

[The Reality Denialist]

Ben Vaserlan isn't an LII at all. I briefly mentioned it to gulenko's team and they agreed but I don't remember what they typed him as since it has been long ago. Ben writes plays and constantly has video interviews with groups of people. Not only do I dislike organizing stuff as an LII, I also almost always analyze things alone or at most one on one. His face also looks super ethical

https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/ima...7ifH5YiTwDnJfU

I think he's an IEI

What is wrong MR MASTER OF LOGIC? We are talking about Gulenko's typings.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

What is wrong MR MASTER OF LOGIC? We are talking about Gulenko's typings.

Mr Master of Ethics, all I'm saying is that his Team, and even Gulenko himself, probably don't think Ben is LII anymore.

[The Reality Denialist]

Mr Master of Ethics, all I'm saying is that his Team, and even Gulenko himself, probably don't think Ben is LII anymore.

That's a big assumption and yes if he received the typing condition still applies.

[myresearch]

@Ben Vaserlan can speak for himself.

[14Raptor19]

What is wrong MR MASTER OF LOGIC? We are talking about Gulenko's typings.

Mr Master of Ethics, all I'm saying is that his Team, and even Gulenko himself, probably don't think Ben is LII anymore.

Mastery of logic plus ethics equals SolitaryWalker from TypoC, with bizarre yet superbly defined values and reasons for cross interplaying categories and wavelengths of a dreaming void with limitless potential and the free expansion of outlines after jigsaw puzzle cubes to dig through thought storms and conjecture the divine mind.

[Varlawend]

Ben Vaserlan was most assuredly typed by Victor Gulenko as LII with both I and E accentuations (it is possible to have up to two accentuations though in the short videos Victor uses, he'd rarely have time to address that level of complexity). Victor definitely thinks Ben Vaserlan is an Analyst, I talked with him about it a bit when I visited Kiev a few years ago. Though Ben has sort of his own version of typology now that is kind of a mix of KBN (Keirsey-Berens-Nardi) and Model G Socionics and doesn't really follow Victor's theories much anymore (not that this matters, I just mention it as something of note).

@Poptart I wouldn't say that I'm personally close with Victor, in that I rarely talk to him and I think Victor keeps to himself a lot in a social sense (and since he is a left type, tends to very short messages, quite the opposite of me), but I understand his perspective pretty well because I've taken his classes for many years (though it's been a while since I've taken one) and I visited him in Kiev for his birthday party in late 2020, met his son and some other members of his school, etc., and sometimes engage in theoretical discussions with him and some of his other students. He's stayed in Kiev for pretty much the entire war so far, and I'm sure he'd have interesting things to say about it (though true to his structural logic nature and what he devoted his professional life to, he often analysis it from the perspective of Socionics, but I doubt that surprises you). For example, he gives Ukraine an integral type of ESI (which naturally gives it some compatibility with the LIE values and financial system of the West, so it would make sense that Ukraine for the most part would want to transition in that direction), but since the virtual economy of the West is much greater than the real economy (as part of its LIE nature), it also needs war (integral type SLE) to eliminate this imbalance between the real and virtual economies (presumably to back it with real captured resources and such, and raising cohesion and fighting spirit, e.g. productivity increases during wartime). This is part of the natural order ring between LIE and SLE, where LIE gives the order (benefactor) and SLE (beneficiary) carries it out, and this left style social progress goes backwards from Gamma to Beta.

Victor does speculate that some types are a fair bit rarer than others (he hasn't done a census and has no mass data or anything), but a few years ago he had this party where they had attendance from close to every gender and subtype of every single type (deliberately). Types like Deltas (from SHS perspective) are easier to find in smaller villages away from city and away from the spotlight of YouTube and celebrity, etc., and often orbit around other peripheral types, e.g. Ben Vaserlan has many SHS LII's on his channel (e.g. Victor, Ben himself, Dario Nardi, David Keirsey Jr., Amanda Doran, etc.), even though we rarely see that many LII's in general. We should always keep an open mind though, since there are unusual variants like some of those found on YouTube, etc.

[Poptart]

Ben Vaserlan was most assuredly typed by Victor Gulenko as LII with both I and E accentuations (it is possible to have up to two accentuations though in the short videos Victor uses, he'd rarely have time to address that level of complexity). Victor definitely thinks Ben Vaserlan is an Analyst, I talked with him about it a bit when I visited Kiev a few years ago. Though Ben has sort of his own version of typology now that is kind of a mix of KBN (Keirsey-Berens-Nardi) and Model G Socionics and doesn't really follow Victor's theories much anymore (not that this matters, I just mention it as something of note).

@Poptart I wouldn't say that I'm personally close with Victor, in that I rarely talk to him and I think Victor keeps to himself a lot in a social sense (and since he is a left type, tends to very short messages, quite the opposite of me), but I understand his perspective pretty well because I've taken his classes for many years (though it's been a while since I've taken one) and I visited him in Kiev for his birthday party in late 2020, met his son and some other members of his school, etc., and sometimes engage in theoretical discussions with him and some of his other students. He's stayed in Kiev for pretty much the entire war so far, and I'm sure he'd have interesting things to say about it (though true to his structural logic nature and what he devoted his professional life to, he often analysis it from the perspective of Socionics, but I doubt that surprises you). For example, he gives Ukraine an integral type of ESI (which naturally gives it some compatibility with the LIE values and financial system of the West, so it would make sense that Ukraine for the most part would want to transition in that direction), but since the virtual economy of the West is much greater than the real economy (as part of its LIE nature), it also needs war (integral type SLE) to eliminate this imbalance between the real and virtual economies (presumably to back it with real captured resources and such, and raising cohesion and fighting spirit, e.g. productivity increases during wartime). This is part of the natural order ring between LIE and SLE, where LIE gives the order (benefactor) and SLE (beneficiary) carries it out, and this left style social progress goes backwards from Gamma to Beta.

Victor does speculate that some types are a fair bit rarer than others (he hasn't done a census and has no mass data or anything), but a few years ago he had this party where they had attendance from close to every gender and subtype of every single type (deliberately). Types like Deltas (from SHS perspective) are easier to find in smaller villages away from city and away from the spotlight of YouTube and celebrity, etc., and often orbit around other peripheral types, e.g. Ben Vaserlan has many SHS LII's on his channel (e.g. Victor, Ben himself, Dario Nardi, David Keirsey Jr., Amanda Doran, etc.), even though we rarely see that many LII's in general. We should always keep an open mind though, since there are unusual variants like some of those found on YouTube, etc.

Thanks for the response. Do you know how Victor types Zelensky and the First Lady of Ukraine?

[godslave]

Zelensky is Typed EIE in Dr. G's website. His wife Olena seems LSI (?)

https://socioniks.net/en/famouspeopl...#famousmentors

[on a peaceful hiatus]

@Varlawend: hmm since you remember it so much in detail you are probably right. My memory is more vague but I do remember discussing Ben's and Jack's type with SHS and I feel like back then we agreed they were not alpha intuitives. The reason why I was discussing them was that I didn't relate much to both of them and couldn't understand why. That's when I first learned that Gulenko's school is mainly for creative subtypes and I think he typed Jack as EIE-N back then I dunno. (I now think both Ben and Jack are IEI). Anyway a cool detailed report. Gulenko wanted to visit germany around 19/20 but covid hit and with the war now that seems very unlikely now but I think LII are extremly independent anyway so long-term cooperation is rather unlikely

[DEAD]

Keep in mind his typings are not indicative of the population at large, it's only the people who both elect to pay to be professionally typed by him and also are willing to come here to share it.

I know that, but it’s still strange to me that so many people who elected to pay Gulenko are either EIE or LSI. There’s either a cult following among the Betas, he is biased towards people he likes, people are playing up to get a certain type in his system or some of them are actually mistyped.

Well, again, it’s only one video and he can only go by so much. But some people still give his opinion too much weight, as it being the only opinion out there and some don’t challenge it. Some do.

Gulenko’s typings can be too conflicting for me to take totally seriously at times but I still know and understand that he can only go so far because he’s working off super limited information.

[The Reality Denialist]

From what I can tell beta rationals might seek individuals who have done somewhat uncommon things with certain merit.

[Varlawend]

Thanks for the response. Do you know how Victor types Zelensky and the First Lady of Ukraine?

Yep, he types Zelensky as EIE-CD (Creative-Dominant), and his wife as LSI (I'm not sure what subtype). Zelensky had a very successful career as an actor and comedian before all this, so it is probably why his subtype is a bit unusual for such a wartime leader.

[WVBRY]

I know that, but it’s still strange to me that so many people who elected to pay Gulenko are either EIE or LSI. There’s either a cult following among the Betas, he is biased towards people he likes, people are playing up to get a certain type in his system or some of them are actually mistyped.

Dude. Are you sure there aeren't any options you've missed? I'll add two more: 1)Gulenko's methods have a slant in favor of certain types. 2) People are actually typed correctly (or at least, correctly enough on the whole that there doesn't need to be a big reconsideration of what types are more common around here). Note that those two things are not mutually exclusive.

I think your comment that people pay Gulenko to get a certain type sounds like a paranoid rant. Seems to me you can't let go of the idea that types are more or less evenly distributed and so any evidence that challenges that theory is triggering.

[DEAD]

Dude. Are you sure there aeren't any options you've missed? I'll add two more: 1)Gulenko's methods have a slant in favor of certain types. 2) People are actually typed correctly (or at least, correctly enough on the whole that there doesn't need to be a big reconsideration of what types are more common around here). Note that those two things are not mutually exclusive.

I think your comment that people pay Gulenko to get a certain type sounds like a paranoid rant. Seems to me you can't let go of the idea that types are more or less evenly distributed and so any evidence that challenges that theory is triggering.

I have never once stated that people pay Gulenko to get a certain type in a serious way, just that he seems to overtype certain kinds, and I am trying to provide logical reasons for why I think that it might be. I do agree that paying Gulenko to tell you that you are a specific type is defeating the point of him typing you in the system, but I am not paranoid but am just wondering why there seem to be so many Beta irrationals typed on the forum. I am also questioning if this is the case, then is it Gulenkos's own bias since he openly admits that EIEs are basically his fave type? And if he has that "EIE bias", is he typing people that he likes as EIE... OR are they acting a certain way to get a certain result (or hope to) within G's system? I don't think that it's too far out there to think that because Gulenko is a human, he might have biases or make mistakes, even within his own system. I don't think that there is anything inherently illogical or "wrong" with questioning Gulenko's motives and his system, and how he comes to conclusions either.

And if there is a slant in favor of certain types, is it really super fair and somewhat accurate in determining your type, and if it isn't, then what is the point in actually paying for it? Doesn't that slant indicate that the process isn't totally correct, and is giving out admitted "slanted types"? And are people typing correctly in which system, and how many discrepancies and contradictions does it have between the model A typing, if you can really only have one socionics type?

At the end of the day, I don't hate Gulenko's system these days. I just have a lot more questions about it. I'm not here to actually start anything, I'm just curious (and admittedly a bit skeptical) about Gulenko's system. I don't need a bunch of zealots who've accepted their "fate" in his system to come and attack me because I am actually asking questions. Nothing is 'triggering' me and I don't know why you are assuming it now.

[myresearch]

OR are they acting a certain way to get a certain result (or hope to) within G's system? I don't think that it's too far out there to think that because Gulenko is a human, he might have biases or make mistakes, even within his own system. I don't think that there is anything inherently illogical or "wrong" with questioning Gulenko's motives and his system, and how he comes to conclusions either.

All I can say is that if people get the types that they expected and wanted, there wouldnt be much discussion going on under this thread, maybe thread even wouldn't have existed.

Lots of people mb majority of people typed as something else besides their self typing, and that's one of the reasons why he is appreciated and vilified.

[Metamorph]

All I can say is that if people get the types that they expected and wanted, there wouldnt be much discussion going on under this thread, maybe thread even wouldn't have existed.

Lots of people mb majority of people typed as something else besides their self typing, and that's one of the reasons why he is appreciated and vilified.

But at least he isn't like a handful of people here and he gives people more than the same pet type over and over!

[Manatroid92]

All I can say is that if people get the types that they expected and wanted, there wouldnt be much discussion going on under this thread, maybe thread even wouldn't have existed.

Lots of people mb majority of people typed as something else besides their self typing, and that's one of the reasons why he is appreciated and vilified.

Indeed. Best to always keep in mind that one shouldn't base their own ego on their typing, whether by themselves or from someone else, for this reason.
Though that being said, it's expected, and understandable, to feel caught off-guard by a truly unexpected typing.

I said this somewhere else on here, but your type doesn't really dictate who you are. It's not the end of the world if it makes you face some uncomfortable truths about yourself, because that's part of (at least, so I hope) why we are all here. Everyone wants to know more about themselves and others, for different reasons, that's why anyone really cares about typology in the first place. In the end, you should be looking at this whole field as a way of, at the very least, developing and improving oneself as an individual.

[Pendulum]

I have never once stated that people pay Gulenko to get a certain type in a serious way, just that he seems to overtype certain kinds, and I am trying to provide logical reasons for why I think that it might be. I do agree that paying Gulenko to tell you that you are a specific type is defeating the point of him typing you in the system, but I am not paranoid but am just wondering why there seem to be so many Beta irrationals typed on the forum. I am also questioning if this is the case, then is it Gulenkos's own bias since he openly admits that EIEs are basically his fave type? And if he has that "EIE bias", is he typing people that he likes as EIE... OR are they acting a certain way to get a certain result (or hope to) within G's system?

If you're actually trying to provide logical reasons for the predominance of these types there's many possibilities you're forgetting to consider that seem a lot more plausible than people for whatever reason acting like EIEs on purpose, or Gulenko projecting his infatuation for the type. Solid theories, but think about these following possibilities which are not mutually exclusive:

Firstly, like it's been brought up, that types are not evenly distributed and that there actually is a predominance of certain types (beta rationals and gamma irrationals) over others, at least as far as Gulenko's model is concerned. There's no real reason for why types should be somewhat evenly distributed anyways, it's just something people took for granted historically.

Then, that there's actually factors that would make these types more likely to not only engage with Socionics (a very Ti system, which fits like a glove for LSIs and EIEs tend to seek), but also be willing to pay an authority on the matter (aristocratic much?) to have an interview with the goal of finding out their types. That's something to think about, there might context surrounding these results, making them not as "random" as they seem, as if Gulenko was picking random strangers on the street to type and 90% of them turned out to be EIE and LSI.

Finally, that in Gulenko's model the typings are actually very coherent, it's just confusing to you and some because you have a different image of the types, the IMEs, functions, systems, etc than Gulenko does because he operates on Model G and many things differ. He also uses DCNH and function accentuations which are about as defining of someone's personality as the base type is.

Just some food for thought, not that these would make Gulenko infallible, far from it, and any contestation of someone's typing by him is valid to discuss, but I think most that do disagree don't even bother trying to understand where he's coming from.

[WVBRY]

And if there is a slant in favor of certain types, is it really super fair and somewhat accurate in determining your type, and if it isn't, then what is the point in actually paying for it? Doesn't that slant indicate that the process isn't totally correct, and is giving out admitted "slanted types"? And are people typing correctly in which system, and how many discrepancies and contradictions does it have between the model A typing, if you can really only have one socionics type?

There might be a slant, but that doesn't mean the typings are wrong, at least not in Gulenko's system. It might mean they are wrong according to another school or system, and some people might see those schools or systems as more valid, and that's fine. Note that some of the typings might be contested by students of SHS, there is more consensus on certain typings than there is on others.

At the end of the day, I don't hate Gulenko's system these days. I just have a lot more questions about it. I'm not here to actually start anything, I'm just curious (and admittedly a bit skeptical) about Gulenko's system. I don't need a bunch of zealots who've accepted their "fate" in his system to come and attack me because I am actually asking questions. Nothing is 'triggering' me and I don't know why you are assuming it now.

I apologize if I came across as attacking you, but I do get annoyed at how superficial the criticism of Gulenko's system tends to be. It's fine to ask questions, of course, but I also think there's alot of questions you aeren't asking, either, that you could be asking. I think @Pendulum said it well in his resposne to you above, so I'm not gonna get deeper.

[Rusal]

In Japanese. EIE-N

Excerpt from auto translation: "The result was submitted in PDF format with an explanation of "Why I'm an EIE", and among them there is one thing that surprised me. I was surprised by the phrase "Intuition is associated not only with premonitions and predictions, but also with strong visual images", which was mentioned in the comment about feelings and intuition. "I realized that's why my dreams are so unrealistic and fantastic." In addition, it was noted that I can judge logic and ethics, external and internal, somewhat in the tone, expression and intonation of my voice......""

[The Reality Denialist]

In Japanese. EIE-N

Excerpt from auto translation: "The result was submitted in PDF format with an explanation of "Why I'm an EIE", and among them there is one thing that surprised me. I was surprised by the phrase "Intuition is associated not only with premonitions and predictions, but also with strong visual images", which was mentioned in the comment about feelings and intuition. "I realized that's why my dreams are so unrealistic and fantastic." In addition, it was noted that I can judge logic and ethics, external and internal, somewhat in the tone, expression and intonation of my voice......""

She is a lot like one Gulenko's EIE distant sub (check Hanna from Ben Vaserlan channel)

[The Reality Denialist]

are there types more frequent in men and others in women? https://socioniks-net.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp




Какие типы чаще встречаются у мужчин, а какие у женщин? Вопрос соци...

Есть статистика, по которой среди мужчин больше логиков, а среди женщин этиков. По моим наблюдениям, среди мужчин преобладает ЛСИ (Инспектор), а среди женщин ЭИЭ (Наставник).

There are statistics according to which there are more logicians among men, and more ethics among women. According to my observations, LSI (Inspector) prevails among men, and EIE (Mentor) among women.

Well, these are not absent... but dunno. It is like attention grabbing is highly variable.

[WVBRY]

Well, these are not absent... but dunno. It is like attention grabbing is highly variable.

It's an interesting statistic. I think Archetype Center would put forth different numbers. It varies with methodology.

[The Reality Denialist]

It's an interesting statistic. I think Archetype Center would put forth different numbers. It varies with methodology.

Just by being around few people I have had time to observe (all male): ILI, EII, LII, EIE, ILE, ESI, LSE, LSI, LSI, IEI, ILI, SEI.

[nifl]

In Japanese. EIE-N

Excerpt from auto translation: "The result was submitted in PDF format with an explanation of "Why I'm an EIE", and among them there is one thing that surprised me. I was surprised by the phrase "Intuition is associated not only with premonitions and predictions, but also with strong visual images", which was mentioned in the comment about feelings and intuition. "I realized that's why my dreams are so unrealistic and fantastic." In addition, it was noted that I can judge logic and ethics, external and internal, somewhat in the tone, expression and intonation of my voice......""

mb ILI, ILE
not EIE

[Rusal]

perhaps ILE, LIE
her being ethical is doubtful

Sol, while your opinion is a nice contribution as well as anyone's I do have to say that I'll be hard-pressed to give it any serious credit to it because you have typed me and your assessment of nonverbals was way off the mark as regards type. Scandalous even. You are blind to some strengthened functions and you trust maybe a too much in something alike craniometry even if you say you don't (the way you typed Max von Sydow...). I can't say I blame you but don't overstretch your confidence. SHS appears to work with metrics closer to what I see in personal interaction so I'll stick to that for now.

However, you do sometimes produce shooting stars in the darkness of noobness like the time you narrowed it down to LSI-SLI for Igor Girkin in the russian forums when they were all voting ILI. Can you pass on to them from me that they should spend a season getting whacked by aggressor type of behaviour so they see how different it is from victim? Thanks. Girkin is LSI. And hopefully a dead one not too deep into the future.

[Rusal]

Tomoka. I have the feeling Chieko dragged her bestie inti getting tped by sensei Gulenko or maybe the other way around.

LSI-N from what I gathered.

[nifl]

@Rusal
1. Sol types as LSE
2. he still posts on the Russian forum
his opinion on her type may very well be different from mine, too

[myresearch]

@Varlawend what does it mean if a person uses two different direction of eye movements majorly, like upper right and bottom left, is that mean they are Ep-D or EJ-C if someone were to solely rely on eye movements or does G take into account only one direction?

[Ben Vaserlan]

For people on my channel: VG has diagnosed the type of folks in this playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...wTbjv-wzewV3hT

Dr David Mark Keirsey (the physicist, mathematician, & computer-scientist son of the psychologist David West Keirsey): LII with extra T ie Ni based on DMK affect display of staring off. Ni state according to Dr G.
Some of DMK's work on using group theory to create an information view of subatomic particles eg Monster Group correlates to Higg's Boson. http://edgeoforder.org/dmk.html

Leon Tsao: ILE.
Hanna: EIE.
An important one: Megan LeVota: EIE Creative. She was also EEGed by Dr Dario Nardi. See the event on Meghan with Dr Nardi and Dr G here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDz4...jAODE&index=22
Interpreter Elina was diagnosed by Dr G as ILI (H I think). She works in I.T. and is core 6 fixated in enneagram.

[Varlawend]

@Varlawend what does it mean if a person uses two different direction of eye movements majorly, like upper right and bottom left, is that mean they are Ep-D or EJ-C if someone were to solely rely on eye movements or does G take into account only one direction?

Eye movements can mean a few things, referring to the type, subtype, accentuated functions, and (especially if the interview wasn't conducted specifically for Socionics or properly so) just looking at random things in the environment or nervousness. So one has to be quite cautious in interpreting them. If it refers to something typical, then it will be more systematic and independent of the environment, and for nervousness to die down it can help to wait until later in the interview (if it's a longer one). Personally, I do look at oculomotor reactions but I would never rely on them alone. When diagnosing someone with SHS, it's always important to look at a variety of nonverbal signals and compare (eyes and eye area, mouth, facial expressions, gestures, body, etc.) and compare the general behavior of the person to a recognize type image (ideally populated with real-life examples).

To answer your more specific question, it would make sense for someone with systematic upper right and bottom left eye movements to be Ep-D or Ej-C (though Creativity and the Flexible temperament come with an additional systematic eye movement that sometimes occurs directly in the upward direction, neither to the left nor right, so that might be worth bearing in mind as well).

[nifl]

the degree of eye movements (and movement in general) probably has a correlation with extraversion and irrationality. the most restrained movements should be by the introverted rationals, in general - in part because of the lowest sensitivity to outside stimuli of these types

[Varlawend]

the degree of eye movements (and movement in general) probably has a correlation with extraversion and irrationality. the most restrained movements should be by the introverted rationals, in general - in part because of the lowest sensitivity to outside stimuli of these types

Agreed on movement in general, this is a good point, especially with balanced stable (they can be almost statuesque). I haven't noticed it as much for eye movements though. However, I have noticed intuitive types to have less stable eye movements, because they look less "at" the environment compared to sensory types. Sensorics more often gaze stably at the people they are talking to, something in the environment, the camera, where intuitives often gaze "through" these things. This can be quite subtle or very obvious.

[Psychoblimp]

@Ben Vaserlan can speak for himself.

As of 12/23/2022 0:00UTC, these privileges have been revoked. Ben Vaserlan may no longer speak for himself nor act on his behalf. RIP 1972-2022