You know you're LIE when...

[The Reality Denialist]

People have been so miseducated by the way the romantic styles were communicated. Gulenko could have gotten across the dynamics he observed without making references to unrelated and coercive/exploitative models.he really obscured the true dynamics

Come on you need good whipping as much as I need a diaper.

[WVBRY]

Come on you need good whipping as much as I need a diaper.

Most ILEs I know are potty trained.

[Sol]

when you prefer F types in IR test, but not T

[nanashi]

You want to text your manager an innovative pivot in market segmentation that could mean one of the company's products is once again utilized during the pandemic... around midnight and ...Star Trek makes you cry.

[SGF]

This entire thread is about a type of pathetic individual similar to the one below. I'd be distressed if I'd ever find myself a mere corporate stooge and materialist sucking up the corporate ladder. What a waste of a life and potential.

[nanashi]

Your having a extra hour on a Saturday morning in bed, but awake, involves you explaining fervently to your (absent) former CEO (who ran an NGO, well on the productivity side and poorly on the quantizing and financial side) why they should implement an online innovation they opted not to. *Hands grasping own hair at roots* *eyes looking into ether*
I might go back and tell her to help reshape it.
Time for breakfast

[Adam Strange]

Your having a extra hour on a Saturday morning in bed, but awake, involves you explaining fervently to your (absent) former CEO (who ran an NGO, well on the productivity side and poorly on the quantizing and financial side) why they should implement an online innovation they opted not to. *Hands grasping own hair at roots* *eyes looking into ether*
I might go back and tell her to help reshape it.
Time for breakfast

File under "Spends all their time thinking about the future profitability of the company".

Subheading "Treats body like a replaceable machine that doesn't need a lot of maintenance."

[nanashi]

Enneagram of TeNx (ENTJ): SOCIONICS LIE Model G https://youtu.be/xnGOyIzBme8

[xerx]

From Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed. Good stuff starts at 1:30.

Yes. That's Moff Tarkin.

[WVBRY]

when you prefer F types in IR test, but not T

Any T base is wrong for you.

Your thinking is not serious from T types' perception.

[Adam Strange]

You know you're LIE when you can get anything you want, but you can't get everything you want. And when you do get what you want, you realize that you don't really have any idea why you wanted it.

[Alomoes]

I know I'm LIE because I made sure. That's how I know I'm LIE. Let's change up the everything. It's not feng schui.

[WVBRY]

I know I'm LIE because I made sure. That's how I know I'm LIE. Let's change up the everything. It's not feng schui.

Were you typed by a professional?

[The Reality Denialist]

Most ILEs I know are potty trained.

Good point but a person can still be craptastic potty user.

[Alomoes]

Were you typed by a professional?

Well, actually, in the shoutbox they think I'm INTp, but I still have very good reason for being LIE.

[nanashi]

...when you're disappointed it's a holiday from uni...because you were looking forward to a Monday lecture and dialoguing with people.

[DEAD]

You don't shut up, or know how to.

[nanashi]

some great points on what Te and ENTJ are not and what they are:




There are many ways to lead. The 'only SLE and LIE are leaders' thing is just ...well, bs.

Si-egos could lead in comfort, etc.

[nanashi]

You don't shut up, or know how to.

On the contrary...if there's a good reason, I can. But someone being rude or trying to silence me isn't a good enough reason to stop talking. If I'm bothering someone and I don't need to say anything, I can stop

Not everyone is your dad, Dead

[DEAD]

On the contrary...if there's a good reason, I can. But someone being rude or trying to silence me isn't a good enough reason to stop talking. If I'm bothering someone and I don't need to say anything, I can stop

Not everyone is your dad, Dead

I was joking.

Way to dampen the mood with some serious character analysis.

[spacious]

I was joking.

...I didn't find it all funny.

Way to dampen the mood with some serious character analysis.

.... I love when @nanashi analyzes character and i love when ppl take themselves seriously in constructive ways. That is GOOD.

@nanashi's post about being sad for a uni holiday today was directly on theme with the thread of You know you're LIE when. Geez.

[Nobody]

some great points on what Te and ENTJ are not and what they are:




There are many ways to lead. The 'only SLE and LIE are leaders' thing is just ...well, bs.

Si-egos could lead in comfort, etc.

Is it just me or does the Asian looking girl seem to get bored or not like when the other girl talks?

The Asian girl makes sense to me though.

[nanashi]

...you search the memory-alpha Star Trek wiki for a thought example for a political discussion post you're writing for your class.

[The Reality Denialist]

When you formulate these sort of rules
https://prev.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html

#1 We can see extreme sensitivity towards interpersonal relations
#2 Let's use Fe in a very safe controlled manner so no one's feefees get hurt.


[I think there was one ILE (one vid) who was hired to work with it ... and she was occasionally commenting between the lines "WTH, I'm commited to follow this sort of garbage smh."]

This brigs me to the next point: DID AN LIE INVENT A LOBOTOMY?

[nanashi]

When you formulate these sort of rules
https://prev.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html

#1 We can see extreme sensitivity towards interpersonal relations
#2 Let's use Fe in a very safe controlled manner so no one's feefees get hurt.


[I think there was one ILE (one vid) who was hired to work with it ... and she was occasionally commenting between the lines "WTH, I'm commited to follow this sort of garbage smh."]

This brigs me to the next point: DID AN LIE INVENT A LOBOTOMY?

it's not just about personal attacks being painful.

People don't function as well when they are limited, and we go around aware of trolling and segregation and bullying and all that and assume it doesn't affect people because they can understand someone is just being cruel. The shitty part is, the research shows it DOES affect people's strategies, choices, self-concept, and output of creative and innovative shit.

yeah, for sure jokes that people enjoy are great, and Fe is vital for humans.

we can move forward without the tying peoples' hands stereotyping and rigid social controls that bullying seeks to enforce with petty and weak attacks.


If you don't like something a LIE designed, TELL US. We love updating our shit.

And when we're healthy we know it'll just improve the fit of the tool to society. Give us more informations.

[Lolita]

When you dress badly and say inappropriate things with bad context.

[nanashi]

When you dress badly and say inappropriate things with bad context.

LIE (according to wikisocion) can dress well if we see it as strategically useful to...like for a date or a business meeting, but in general (according to wikisocion) we also can actually enjoy dressing with a devil-may-care vibe. It's a weird kind of swagger in and of itself. A 'lol' at the confines of rigid prevailing style if the style doesn't serve an individual's interests/doesn't actually suit the person.


wearing a punk, short mohawk with a delicate cream dress that suited me was enjoyable, etc.

wearing a business-quality duster coat with boat shoes and athleticwear is enjoyable.


This artist on deviantart drew great portraits of all the Socionics types...

[nanashi]

I read it, and to be honest I think the content seems decent. What exactly repels ILE from those rules?

I think throwing in a morale-boosting line like, "Okay, paAAAAAAAAATRICIA? " like from ""


would help Fe-valuers feel like the mood isn't doomy and constrictive but more 'let's keep shit up and funny'

It's like the way it's presented is too devoid of Fe, I suspect.


Any Fe-valuers can explain it better?

Like even though the content is good, it's presented in a way that isn't fun.

[Lolita]

I’m joking and was playing along with the way the thread was going. I don’t care about what you say since all you’re doing is circle jerking your bias confirmation that you’re LIE. I know you’re not and I already have a friend who’s really an LIE to know otherwise.

[nanashi]

I’m joking and was playing along with the way the thread was going. I don’t care about what you say since all you’re doing is circle jerking your bias confirmation that you’re LIE. I know you’re not and I already have a friend who’s really an LIE to know otherwise.

Oh, like trying to be playful rather than contributing?

I take things pretty literally. If you put a winkie emoticon in next time, people can get you're being sarcastic, better.


It's totally your prerogative to plug your ears at someone based on their (what you, an internet stranger, assume is their) not knowing themselves, but it's a logically fallacious way to live. Not only are stopped clocks right twice a day, but also people can be miseducated in one area and be mines of useful info for you in other areas.

And, anticipating you might perceive the points I brought up as the self-deluded misperceptions of an IEE who thinks she's LIE, I literally pointed out FOR YOU that the information is from people like Gulenko, Aushra, etc from articles at wikisocion. It's just a respect for people and knowing that it's good if they can look things up for themselves and not think I'm saying my anecdotes are universals.

Circle jerking requires more than myself, last time I checked.

You having a friend who differs from me in politics or manner doesn't preclude either of us being LIE. LIE is a cognitive orientation, not the singular element that contributes to how someone behaves.

You don't know me. You're presuming to type me and not just stating you suspect I am a different type but that YOU are SURE.

You haven't had a single conversation with me irtime on videochat nor irl. You know next to nothing about me. lol. I mean....To think about that. smh

[The Reality Denialist]

I read it, and to be honest I think the content seems decent. What exactly repels ILE from those rules?

It kills you inside. Just that. It lacks freedom of adjustment. Sometimes I and you need lots of blasphemous mockery. I'd honestly rather die alone in the gutters than having to deal with that.it is not genuine to hold yourself constipated.

[ouronis]

When you formulate these sort of rules
https://prev.rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html

#1 We can see extreme sensitivity towards interpersonal relations
#2 Let's use Fe in a very safe controlled manner so no one's feefees get hurt.


[I think there was one ILE (one vid) who was hired to work with it ... and she was occasionally commenting between the lines "WTH, I'm commited to follow this sort of garbage smh."]

This brigs me to the next point: DID AN LIE INVENT A LOBOTOMY?

First they came for our commons, then they came for our private institutions, and now they're coming for you.

[ouronis]

LIE (according to wikisocion) can dress well if we see it as strategically useful to...like for a date or a business meeting, but in general (according to wikisocion) we also can actually enjoy dressing with a devil-may-care vibe. It's a weird kind of swagger in and of itself. A 'lol' at the confines of rigid prevailing style if the style doesn't serve an individual's interests/doesn't actually suit the person.


wearing a punk, short mohawk with a delicate cream dress that suited me was enjoyable, etc.

wearing a business-quality duster coat with boat shoes and athleticwear is enjoyable.


This artist on deviantart drew great portraits of all the Socionics types...

That just looks like a portrait of Rand Al'Thor.

[nanashi]

That just looks like a portrait of Rand Al'Thor.

Rand Al'Thor
ISTP - 6w5 - sp/sx - 684 - ESI - Chaotic Good - Choleric [Dominant] -personality database guesses

[ouronis]

Rand Al'Thor
ISTP - 6w5 - sp/sx - 684 - ESI - Chaotic Good - Choleric [Dominant] -personality database guesses

Thanks google

[nanashi]

Thanks google

i thought it was interesting and you might enjoy it. Apparently you feel irritated.

[Alomoes]

The appropriate answer is your welcome.

Can you benefit from drinking less water?

Drank so much I puked once. Would do it again, totally worth it.

[Whitespike]

I've known that I have a kind of tunnel vision for years, and I can tell you why LIE's in general have this.

LIE's excel at harnessing the things readily available right now to solve some problems in the future. As @sbbds said in chat, LIE's make things out of junk. These things aren't really new inventions, usually. That's the realm of the ILE's and the LII's. But they are usually common things used in a way that no one else has seen before. Or assembled into a new configuration that has far-reaching consequences.

Whenever you introduce something new to people, you get a very, very few early adopters and lots and lots of people telling you that you are crazy, that this thing is stupid and useless, that there is absolutely no market for this, etcetera, etcetera, and very often, the nay-sayers are right. They are "right" for the world as it is, not for the world as it could be.

So LIE's get this almost universally negative response to the main thing that they do, and if they listened to the nay-sayers, they would be frozen in their tracks. And so, an LIE will foresee a need for something, will consider all the reasonably conceivable approaches for how to accomplish the task, will pick the best course of action and will commit to it. And then they will stop listening to other people. At that point, the LIE says, everyone just needs to get with the program and stay on course.

This, of course, is where I have made some of my most stupid mistakes. Not listening to other people, not doing enough homework before committing, and not doing course-corrections after the stupid is glaringly obvious to everyone, including me. Of these three, I first started learning to do course corrections. Next, I started finding better counselors for deciding what resources need to be applied. The hardest thing for me to do is to listen to other people, especially if I want to do something and they are telling me that it doesn't make sense to do it.

When I catch myself doing this, if I catch myself doing this, it is a clear sign to me that I'm not thinking rationally about the problem, but it can totally, totally look like tunnel vision to anyone who is watching the process.

As a LIE (Ni) i can relate to this a lot!

[Zero]

You hate the fact that you can't sleep faster
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[Clarke]

When you as a male fap to this

or this?

Huh. This is somewhat interesting.