Your face makes your brain and sociotype – how muscle use shapes personality
I want to care
if I was better I’d help you
if I was better you’d be better
HELLO??? COME BACK!!!!
i'm afraid it will hurt like hell, i am afraid of screaming and i am afraid of crying, i am afraid of forgetting but i'm not afraid of dying.
SEE and ILI
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Just on the border of your waking mind,
There lies another time
Where darkness and light are one,
And as you tread the halls of sanity
You feel so glad to be unable to go beyond
I have a message from another time.
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SEE and LIE activity partners
LIE and SEE activity partners
Not sure if I've said it before but "Power Metal" is Gamma (no wonder it's one of my favorite genres). I'll rest my case with this one:
Diving into further research I've also discovered that "American" culture is rather Gamma as well. If one deep dives into "Western" and "Film Noir" you'll find things that are both uniquely Gamma and also uniquely American. Those genres are things that could only literally only happen in America.
Here's another piece that probably resonates:
The gamma mindset will always resonate with the truly downtrodden and hemmed in. Like the heroes of the Western and Film Noir (the lone cowboy and the hard boiled detective) we can and will always struggle to find the undeniable and objective truth no matter what in one form or another. Justice demands it. Our own self-identity demands it...
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Personally, I think that the Rolling Stones possess a “cut out the bullshit” real-life vulnerability that is the cornerstone of Gamma. Their music is intentionally rough around the edges, thereby placing the emphasis more on its authentic “feel” than its outer polished appearance. In contrast, The Beatles “she loves you ya ya ya and with a love like that you know you should be glad” seems a little more Alpha to me—where everything is just peachy keen and sunny. As a Gamma, I personally despise all of those “happy songs”. I have more respect for lyrics that tell it like it REALLY is (ie. like how Pink Floyd single-handedly brought awareness to mental health issues/schizophrenia in an artful way with The Wall). It’s harsh, but it’s REAL. I’m not claiming necessarily that each (or any) musician in the Rolling Stones is Gamma (although I do believe that Mick Jagger is LIE)…just that their type of music is.
The very first lyrics that Mick Jagger & and Keith Richards wrote together (after being locked in a room together until they “came out with a song” by their manager Andrew Oldham), contains from the outset a dark authentic sadness, which in my opinion is very Gamma: “I sit and watch the children play. Smiling faces I can see, but not for me. I sit and watch as tears go by”. Ya, because the happy smiley faces are for the Alphas. The Rolling Stones, while English, were inspired by blues music from the American South—John Lee Hooker, Chuck Berry, Howlin’ Wolf, Muddy Waters—and a lot of the messages inherent in THAT genre of music IMO, is distinctly Fi—once again valuing inner authenticity over outer polish.
Contrast lyrics from the Stones’ Street Fighting Man to standard Beatles fare such as I Want to Hold Your Hand: “‘Cause summer’s here and the time is right for fighting in the street boy But what can a poor boy do ‘cept to sing for a rock ‘n’ roll band, ‘cause in sleepy London town there’s just no place for a street fightin’ man”. The down and out seediness of Honky Tonk Woman, and Tumbling Dice…. damn it’s REAL and NOT superficial and happy.
The music’s rawness prompts one to shake off their pretences, and embrace life’s good, bad & ugly. Wakin’ up rough, (in the 70,s & 80’s that would also include lighting a smoke, & putting on Morrison’s “well I woke this morning and I got myself a beer…the future’s uncertain and the end is always near”). It’s common to put down the past eras’ faults of liquor, LSD and cigarettes, yet is today’s vaping, meth and oxy really an improvement?The Stones’ music acknowledges that life is harsh…yet their music can nonetheless evoke if not happiness, then at least acceptance despite the hardships. Personally for me, music provides a direct conduit to Fi—safe, controllable connections to feelings. This brings to mind the message I left at Morrison’s grave at Pere Lachaise: “For the music is your special friend—dance on fire as it intends, music is your only friend, until the end.” That’s a little bit dark, however it brings me enjoyment for its common truth.
In my opinion, Gamma music has to contain some element of vulnerable self disclosure that everyone can relate to, thereby establishing the common ground from which all of us feel safe to lay down our swords and admit that life is fucked, life is hard…yet nonetheless there can still be joy. That is why I believe that Eminem is Gamma ESI—the elements of his music reveal his vulnerability, while simultaneously creating humour from it. This is irresistible to capture Fi valuers. In Without Me, he contrasts his stormy pissed off and authentic personal Fi lyrics (“Fuck you DEBBIE”—after winning his lawsuit) against an ironically upbeat and sunny Alpha musical backdrop: “A-tisket a-taskit I’ll go tit-for-tat with anybody who’s talking this shit…” I also think Eminem very often uses double entendre wordplay—which also seems in my opinion to be very Gamma. One of the most deep down joys I get is when I write a message that utilizes a word conveying two differing meanings in a naughty or clever sense. I also noticed that other Gamma members of this forum like to use the letters from their socionics type in their name. Not sure if there are members from other quadras who also do this?
Same with Kanye West. Even though I face palm hardily (and take Taylor Swift’s side,) every time I watch him interrupt her VMA acceptance speech, I believe that in HIS opinion, it was his way of being chivalrous and standing up for Beyoncé. Therefore I think he is SEE because he meant well, but didn’t foresee the “big picture” ie. the overall consequences of his bitchy actions. I am NO fan of the Kardashians, but I give props to Kim for treating Kanye‘s bipolar mental health issues respectfully and standing by him as much as she did. His song “Can’t Tell Me Nothing” sounds very Gamma IMO. He’s telling it like it is—the good, bad and ugly—and FFS he has a point.
I guess in essence, other quadras may gain joy and pleasure from “happy music” about a “sunshiney day” or “looking so fine”….. but for Gammas that is not enough. We require full psychological satisfaction and validation that comes only from hearing someone have the balls to say something distasteful, yet true…so that we can then relax and get behind them saying “yeah that’s fucking right!”
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I think John Lennon look like Steve Job. Depressed EIE…
One thing I’m unclear about is whether we are attempting to identify musicians who are Gamma, or else music that appeals to Gammas. Given that there is much debate over both of these parameters…but IMO there is more debate over the correct typings of musicians we don’t actually know, I’ll present what I think defines the latter.
Was thinking that IMO, the distinguishing characteristic of Gamma music is that it must contain substance over fluff/superficiality. Of course music is subjective to the listener, however some possible substantive descriptors might be:
- unpretentious music that has a raw and hard-hitting truthful message (ie. Dylan’s Like A Rolling Stone: “…Now you don’t talk so loud, now you don’t seem so proud, about having to be scrounging your next meal” https://youtu.be/oXiApJV9-jk
- undeniable real musical talent (ie. one of the few videos available from one of my all-time favourite places in the world Preservation Hall, since recording is normally not permitted. In particular from 3:20 onward, I challenge anyone to listen and not smile with joy: https://youtu.be/b7M8ZkQma3I. Similarly, this video from George Harrison’s RRHOF induction…apparently Prince was given a cold shoulder in rehearsals, and 1st guitar-solo guy was being an Alpha dog hogging the solo, so Prince backed off and said Jeff Lynne’s guy could have it and that he’d play in the background for the song and then only do the ending guitar solo. WELL…I was not a Prince fan before this but FFS…his playing is smooth, emotive, artful, and ultimately so befitting of the song’s title. Love Tom Petty standing up for Prince—@4:55 when Prince looks to Petty for the signal to end the song, yet Petty graciously leans in and apparently told him to keep going and play what he feels. It’s absolutely epic: https://youtu.be/6SFNW5F8K9Y
- music that creates an authentic mood such as anger, melancholy or despair. Can’t resist selecting this video… Alanis Morisette’s very first appearance on late night television…and boy does she bring the “REAL” (the whole band is exceptional, young Taylor Hawkins on drums). Good on her for being so young and having the courage to reveal all of her emotions—the bad & the ugly. Gotta respect her…apparently audience members were frightened haha. https://youtu.be/TS3oLs1JF50
Provided as a contrast, here is what perhaps is NOT Gamma music IMO:
- happy fluffy music like Katrina & the Waves Walking on Sunshine, Wham!’s Wake Me Up Before you Go-Go. This does NOT mean that Gamma music must be dark/depressing. Today I heard In the Summertime on Stingray All Time Greatest Hits: https://youtu.be/wvUQcnfwUUM. I recalled that every time I hear the banjo player blowing raspberries into the jug, and the singer yelling “Ugh,” at the end of each musical stanza (~1:25), it always makes me chuckle with unabashed joy. It’s stupid, simple and happy, yet is so very obviously unpretentious, organic and eschews over-production.
- glitzy, over-produced lip-synced commercialized Super Bowl confections with fireworks, costume changes, props, confetti etc. (give me Preservation Hall ANY day!)