Ron Paul

[Elro]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul





(young)

[Jimbean]

You know, I was just about to post a thread on his type. I think he is a , and probably EIE.

[Elro]

He reminds me a lot of Bill O'Reilly with his mannerisms, FWIW.

[Creepy-bg]

Bill O'Reilly's a fucktard (is this guy a fucktard too?)

[Jimbean]

Bill O'Reilly's a fucktard (is this guy a fucktard too?)

Noooooooooooo!

He is a conservative, anti-federal reserve, anti-NWO, an anti-Iraq war, just to name a few.

look him up!!!

[olduser]

I think EIE is likely. Maybe ILE. Anyhow, I like that fox news thinks they have won the battle with the letter writer who says they haven't covered minor candididates. Showing Ron Paul once on television doesn't mean they have been doing their duty dilligently. Of course even considering fox news as valid journalism/reporting is a leap. They are more about money than politics, and employ massive logical fallacies to any of their debates. what good is a debate anyway? You get a tiny tiny snippet of the politican's platform and most people view them the same way they view a film star on television. I am not a politican, but I think the public should pay more attention to the facts of their government's plans(and the consequences) rather than their debate rhetoric and exaggerated ideaology. Of course, you can't get really upset and shout too much about facts. And really, what good is a fact? From what I've witnessed in political debates, they are really only useful if they are conveyed as statistics and used like a debate grenade.

[silke]

ILI-Te sp/so, most certainly a "negativist" type

He constantly keeps track of the developments in society and compares them with his own planned script. ILI prefers to exercises foresight. .... Some ILIs also posses great precision of thought and ability to precisely to state what they mean. With words he strings out a complete picture. (link)

nice video example of the above taken from an INTp profile

[strrrng]

Te-ILI E6 sp/so... he's a good exemple of how syn-flow approaches controversial topics.

[Tigerfadder]

Actually I think he goes well with beta values. But who knows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALj3-2KNo8

[Jarno]

I once read he was typed ILI. But I'm doubting between ILI and ILE.

I usually find both types interesting to listen too, so that makes it difficult. He talks a bit like an extravert though, and VI's somewhat as an ILE in his youth photographs.

[WVBRY]

Ron Paul, INTp, Balzac.

The Critic can forecast the future quite well. From empirical observations of how a man acts at various times he creates something like a functional model in his mind. In general, he tends to know everything in advance. If he did not have to warn other people about possible dangers (opportunities interest him less), he most possibly would feel himself redundant.*

*http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...I_.28Balzac.29

[Disturbed]

He's gentle, soft-spoken, and was an obstetrician. And the Morton Downey Jr. Show appearance and the fact that his system is based on ethics rather than utility (he's almost always rejected utility arguments). All of that makes me see ESI-Se, I don't see how he could be an ILI. Also, he says some things that sound pretty similar ("the founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with") to an ESI-Se I know (she wrote "jesus would be ashamed of some of us who call ourselves christians" or something like that).

EDIT: Actually, she's an LSI-Se.

[FreelancePoliceman]

I once read he was typed ILI. But I'm doubting between ILI and ILE.

I usually find both types interesting to listen too, so that makes it difficult. He talks a bit like an extravert though, and VI's somewhat as an ILE in his youth photographs.

Definitely not ILE. Not an extravert, and especially not a Ne-base. I wonder if he could be ESI.

[Disturbed]

Definitely not ILE. Not an extravert, and especially not a Ne-base. I wonder if he could be ESI.

ESI-Se is pretty obvious; they're called the "Traditionalist" and he had traditional views on monetary policy, and he dresses pretty colorfully and originally at times. I was a huge fan, but then euthanasia became the issue I care about most (I'm in favor of euthanasia) which he doesn't mention much and he didn't speak against IP all that much. But he's a very admirable man, I just don't follow him anywhere near as much as I used to because certain issues are more important to me. I still think he would've made a better President than anyone else.

[Disturbed]

ESI-Se still seems most likely. He tends to go along with people in private sometimes, then other times he can be pretty stern with a certain person, which suggests ESI-Se. He doesn't value emotional background (he is on record as saying emotion should never dictate policy) and the reason he first ran was because nixon closed the gold window so both of those suggest gamma. He also kind of sounds (aurally) like George HW Bush and has the gentleness and mixture of bluntness at times and politeness at others as George HW Bush did, and George HW Bush was an ESI-Se, so ESI-Se sounds right. Also, he fits the asking dichotomy to a tee rather than declaring and I also think ILI obstetricians are pretty rare so that should rule out ILI. ILI also change their mind a lot more than he did and he seems more static than dynamic. And he seems Fi base because of what he personally likes or dislikes and because he wasn't really into rules and only followed his principles and went against what some people thought was his own interests because he was concerned about looking like a hypocrite so that goes against being a T and Fe ego.

[HolyKnowing]

The prototypical ILI is Mark Zuckerberg, complete with the prototypical stereotype of being cold, synthetic (viz. PoLR). When does Ron Paul emanate any of that vibe? Never. He looks like he could be your grandpa.

[The Reality Denialist]

He seems pretty Ij like.

[Disturbed]

Actually now that I know more about LSI-Se, I think he could be LSI-Se. It's hard as balls to figure out if his base function is Ti or Fi and the fact that many LSI are moralistic tends to make it difficult to choose between LSI-Se and ESI-Se. He goes well with both gamma and beta values. Gamma because he seems neurotic about money; but he alternates between gentleness and sternness which seems more common in LSI-Se than ESI-Se. He also didn't ever seem sentimental at all and his supporters were mostly Beta and Alpha

One thing that's very clear is that he's Asking instead of Declaring.

[WVBRY]

I hadn't thought of ESI. That could be it.

Same type as Ludvig Von Mises, then.

[Disturbed]

LSI-Se; he also smiles in photos while ESI usually don't appear as merry as Ron Paul does at times. He's pretty systematic and is great at analysis; ESI's usually aren't that systematic. He's also comfortable with rebellion and disruption which is a beta quadra value, while ESIs usually aren't comfortable with rebellion. And an LSI-Se I know of said "Jesus would be ashamed of some of us who call ourselves Christians" while Ron Paul said "the Founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with".

Also, Rand Paul is obviously an LSI-Se, and his mother is obviously not, so Ron Paul is an LSI-Se.

If only most of the Republicans hadn't been assholes and been like "oh, we need a businessman, we need a businessman! OMG Romney's a businessman so he's the best" in 2012, we probably wouldn't be in this mess we're in now; Ron Paul certainly would've done better than Romney and people like being given factual information which Obama was terrible with. Romney was an idiot, he was just so dumb and such a weak candidate who basically promised nothing but mediocrity. That's because he wasn't Ti-valuing.

[Disturbed]

I feel like an idiot for some of these typings, but I'm glad I spoke my mind.

His logic is quite idiosyncratic (but sound, especially compared to LSI-Ti reasoning, by say, Mike Pence), and he's actually able to create systems, he's totally against violence and nationalism, has strong need for harmony so I'd say Se-devaluing and very rigid about his views and devalues power so I'd say Ij and Alpha. Bernie Sanders and Thomas Jefferson were considered similar to him and they were both considered LII-Ti. A real Gamma NT politician would be John Adams.

ESI doesn't make as much sense because he seems to completely favor logical rules and consistency and ideology. He's not very tolerant of logical inconsistency and prefers smart people.

He's not an extravert.

He's actually good at noticing emotional background so probably Merry > Serious.

He's most likely a logical type, LII-Ti is probably it. LII-Ti works different from LII-Ne, LII-Ti tends to be better with cause and effect and deduction and makes fewer errors than LII-Ne (which was a huge omission from Gulenko's cognitive styles, another was how the C-D cognitive style applies to LSI-Se but not LSI-Ti and H-P applied to SLE-Se but SLE-Ti can be C-D). He's more favored by Betas than Deltas. I knew of some ILE-Ti, LSI-Se, and SLE-Ti who loved him, but his biggest supporters were LSI-Se; most of the ILE-Ti I knew of were in love with Obama or didn't have strong political opinions. I'm not an LSI-Se, but I've been a big fan of him ever since I first saw him. I got pissed at him a few times because he kept asking for money, but he's a great guy and he was kind of goofy so it made it easy for me to forgive me. There are actually times when he looked totally goofy (one of them was when he was with his brothers) and it was adorable.

[roger557]

ESI-Se maybe

[Disturbed]

It's interesting how so many people say he's ESI-Se or ILI; ESI-Se was one of the types I thought of for him too, as well as LII-Ti, LSI-Se, and ILI-Te. But LSI-Se no longer really makes any sense to me.

I could see ESI-Se because he didn't really adapt all that well to new circumstances, he constantly favored working and favored hard work, and he didn't favor newer social systems like an LII would (the way Bernie Sanders picked out Democratic Socialism was different from Christopher Hitchens picked up New Atheism, and T. Woodrow Wilson picked up progressivism; the former didn't do it because it was cool, whereas the latter picked those things out partly for their image and to make it a part of their image; I kind of get the impression that Ron Paul cared about his image; Bernie Sanders didn't care about his image). But the thing is, he values logical rules more than is typical for a Gamma IMO. At the same time, he valued ethical rules (and for the sake of ethics and peoples' behavior and not for a goal or intellectual play) compared to Bernie Sanders or Thomas Jefferson did, who are both considered LII. He's rather moralistic for LII, whereas Bernie Sanders didn't really have a moralizing tone from what I saw and wasn't really concerned about peoples' behavior. Like LII-Ti and ESI-Se he acts really Beta when he's around close ones, his inner circle or is just conversing with people, but he acts more like an Alpha and Gamma in public; that kind of points to ESI-Se right there as an LII wouldn't have a public and private mask that they could change so well and with such ease.

He's so unusual that it's kind of hard to type him. A huge difference between him and Bernie Sanders is that Bernie Sanders went with something that was new, what hadn't been done in America and he was less into money; Ron Paul has always worried a lot about money for an LII; and he's also more personable than Bernie Sanders was. He's also more realistic and made fewer errors of fact of than Bernie Sanders did, he seemed to focus more on what was there, how it should've been different, and seems like he has more foresight, especially about human events than Bernie Sanders. I always thought he was more of a person myself or anyone else would want to hug than Bernie Sanders was.

LII is also kind of unusual for an obstetrician, although LSI-Se is common for an obstetrician.

LII doesn't really fit, he's probably one of those ESI-Se who relied heavily on his role function and who are great with it... a lot of ESI-Se do that and are good with technology. In MBTI ISFJs are considered the most logical Feeler for good reason and ISTJs the most emotional Thinkers for good reason as well (applies to both ESI and LSI of both subtypes, when most people think of ISFJ in MBTI they're usually thinking of ESI). Both LII and ESI-Se are willing to argue (like he did on the morton downey jr show), but he was totally informal like would be expected of an ESI-Se.

If I had to choose, I'd say ESI-Se. LII doesn't fit that well, simply because he's so concerned with morality and because he's personable and loves money lol; if you look at his rules, at first they look logical and he pays attention to peoples' inconsistencies and uses those against them, but paying more attention, he's more concerned with ethics and honesty than would be expected of an LII. Also, he was a fan of Grover Cleveland, who held similar views, was rejected towards the end of his life, and was an ESI-Se (maybe an LSE), I felt sorry for him.

Definitely Democratic quadra though, Negativist, Asking, and Introverted (and as I pointed out how he seems to be able to change his style of interaction so easily, constructivist makes sense more than emotivist), seems more tactical than strategic (a big difference between him and Bernie Sanders), seems rational more than irrational because he's always been high strung, seems Ethical and Logical, and seems Te/Fi valuing, so breaking it down by Reinin Dichotomies and Te/Fi valuing, he actually does indeed seem to be an ESI-Se. Ever since I saw him on TV for the first time, in 2007, I've almost always loved him. I usually felt sorry for the guy (I've said before I was kind of angry for a while that he kept asking for money, but I got over it), although I thought he would rather not have my sympathy.

[hellohellohello]

Extraverted Thinking is apparent. He's pretty down to earth. I think he's LSE.

I believe Rand Paul is LII.

[Disturbed]

Extraverted Thinking is apparent. He's pretty down to earth. I think he's LSE.

I believe Rand Paul is LII.

LSE actually makes sense for Ron Paul, simply because he's always been so high strung; he does kind of have a Delta vibe... I don't see him as valuing Ti/Fe or even comfortable with Fe... at all. Makes sense if he's the Te subtype, since Mitt Romney was the Si subtype... big difference between the two in terms of how open-minded and intellectual they were. Frankly, I don't see Ron Paul as an ILI (which is a common typing for him), as he's way too moralistic to be ILI. Ron Paul was generally popular among Betas.

He's always been concerned about morality, so LSE makes sense. Rand Paul seems to be a totally different type... but I can't see LII for him too much since neither Ron Paul nor his wife seemed very LII.

Only type besides LSE I could see for him really is ESI-Se... some ESI-Se are intellectual and are excellent with all the new technologies (for example, Christopher Hitchens was), but Ron Paul really has a more Delta view of morality and behavior IMO. LSE-Te are pretty feminine and charming and that's what I love about them. I used to think Sarah Kaufman was an LSI-Se but she might be an LSE-Te... she's feminine and charming. Imogen Heap might be a Delta ST... she's super feminine and charming.

[Djangr]

EIE