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    Lol sounds like he's just an annoying little shit really.

    How can someone NOT want help like that? I LOVE schedules and to-do lists, etc. I don't understand why he would storm off if he basically needed the help.


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    I'm very attracted to many manifestations of Te PoLR. I love lazy people who hate being told what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    I'm very attracted to many manifestations of Te PoLR. I love lazy people who hate being told what to do.
    That sounds just IP-ness to me. I could show you plenty of lazy IXTps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gambit View Post
    The list making is Si valuing because it has to do with forming impressions of memory that aid and help with recollection and focus,
    That sounds like MBTI, not socionics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gambit View Post
    I read Jung, just because I've read stuff on the MBTI forums doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Could you be more specific so I could actually converse with you? Your statement is condescending because it is an accusation. But Jung's Si is about impressions, the fixation of a person to an object and the familiarity it creates in the mind with relation to that object. Van Gogh is an example Jung uses of Si. The impressionist paintings are a pretty good reference for me in understanding Si, although it may be Si+Fe, more than Si+Te. But the concept is still the same.
    Socionics uses different definitions than Jung's original work or MBTI (which is a lot of why there is no smooth conversion between them and socionics). By referencing Jungian Si and attempting to place it within the Socionic model, you are working with definitions not native to the theory.

    Pointing out that you are using the wrong definitions is not necessarily condescending. I do, however, acknowledge that my initial statement didn't include enough information; my apologies for that.

    And no offense, but if you think socionics theory isn't at all related or backed by Jungian Psychological Types, we really have nothing to talk about with each other.
    Socionics has its roots in Jung, but as mentioned, the IM elements are defined differently than Jung's functions. They have some relation but are not the same thing and are not smoothly interchangeable.
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    I make to-do lists sometimes. I always end up doing something different I planned on doing though... (perceiver type)

    Like for example I cut the grass today. I didn't think I would do that. But I *felt* like doing it, so I did it. I make decisions based on my moods and I guess that's an annoying thing for others to deal with.

    Having to get up every day and go to school felt like a nightmare. If I *wanted* to do go school that day I enjoyed it but 5 days a week for that many hours. Yuck! I always felt happiest when other people for the most part left me alone and I could make rpgs for my friends or talk about my favorite tv shows and stuff. Then ofc I got the "You're not responsible!" lecture from my mom. I'm just a free spirit though. I'm not really lazy. That's such a gross oversimplification. I will work really hard when it's something I want to do. I will put a lot of effort and painstaking detail etc.

    oh and then there was the "Nobody else wants to go to school but they're there" line. I can assure you if you walked a mile in my shoes you would make the exact same choices. If you felt like how I felt you'd sing a different tune. Just as I am sure if I were more Te-capable I wouldn't be so neurotic about business stuff.

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    well, it's also about primary focus on Si rather than Te; as a temperament, they differ too; Te base types are extraverted rather restless types, but Si bases move easily according to their internal comfort.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Evidently my Te POLR materializes in an obsessive need to cite peer reviewed sources, extreme fiscal frugality, and a severe intolerance for bullshit.
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    LSI: "Hey do me a favor. Get her attention real quick."
    IEI: "Who?"
    LSI: "The waitress." *points*
    IEI: "Whom? Who?"
    LSI: "The waitress!" *points*
    IEI: "No, i mean... is it who or whom? Whats the right way to say that?"
    LSI: "What?! The WAITRESS!" *points*
    IEI: "I'm sorry, what did you want?"
    LSI: "Excuse me(yells), we haven't gotten our food yet over here. Thank you."
    Lazy Waitress: "Oh, its on the way!"
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    LSI: "Hey do me a favor. Get her attention real quick."
    IEI: "Who?"
    LSI: "The waitress." *points*
    IEI: "Whom? Who?"
    LSI: "The waitress!" *points*
    IEI: "No, i mean... is it who or whom? Whats the right way to say that?"
    LSI: "What?! The WAITRESS!" *points*
    IEI: "I'm sorry, what did you want?"
    LSI: "Excuse me(yells), we haven't gotten our food yet over here. Thank you."
    Lazy Waitress: "Oh, its on the way!"
    LOLOL perfect...IEI in his head
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk View Post

    My reaction to this has mellowed over time. I used to throw tantrums or start crying with frustration and feeling inadequate. I now try to not fume too much and work the point out before reaching saturation.
    I used to do this too! I am so glad that I am not the only one.

    I used to sometimes break down in the middle of simple things like, card games, when I just for some reason could not understand the rules.

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    I've seen perfectly clear examples of Te-PoLR in my SEI. She once went to the bank to open up an investment account, thinking she could make a little profit instead of having her savings just sitting idle. Problem is, after a while she was given less money than what she originally invested. She was furious of course and her perspective of this was that the bank offered some rate of interest and she was entitled to be given her original sum plus the interest. Problem is, even when the interest offered was somewhat attractive, the bank charges some fees which are fixed, so unless you invest more than a given sum, you end up paying the bank more than what the bank is supposed to give you.

    So what's a Te PoLR? The tendency to understand issues in a unidimensional way.

    Te types are efficient because they understand the cost of actions in a process from a holistic perspective. A TV ad selling a machine to wash cars may appeal non Te-strong types by claiming that it saves you money by not needing to go and pay for the service. A Te dominant might think there "sure, I save $10 now but at the expense of investing one hour of my time, which would probably make me $20 if I did something else. Plus I have to buy the thing!".
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    IEI and his te-polr

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    I often meander around my house for hours nonstop and only sometimes listen to music. It’s usually just walking, but sometimes I may feel confident enough to think as well.

    Just about every time I want to make a sandwich or spread something on toast I end up using at least 3 knives somehow. Afterwards, I look in the sink and see a pile of knives and I just wonder wtf is wrong with me.

    I can be ridiculously frugal with money. Many socionics sources say Te polr types are too thrifty with resources, but I think it would be more accurate to say that they are not inclined to allocate resources in a way that is practical/sensible. Still, my streaks of frugality don’t last forever. Buying really expensive things at lower frequency is my modus operandi.

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    In a program with heavy rubric usage: I was in 11th/12th grade when I realized that reading assignment/project rubrics are something you should do.. not only that but you should base the entire work off of it.
    I mean, my natural inclination is to just read the directions and respond to that... the rubric over there? cute accessory, now can it stop clogging my desktop?
    (having two sets of "directions," the rubric being the second one, is annoying. i don't even want a single set.)

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