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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    It's the second time I see you talking about stuttering being almost like a marker of the SLE's nonverbal. I know that I'm off topic but I find that fascinating ! I agree with the gesticulation thing (I do it a lot, Jordan Peterson style I've always did) it might be a kinesthetic related thing or just an Ne (Role in SLE) thing. I know that when I'm Ne-ing I'm all over the place and it's like I'm seeing the stuff I'm describing (when it has or can be given a shape (abstract to concrete (analogy)). I think of Tony stark manipulating virtual object in his Hologram (but visible only to the subject through imagination). The example of the hologram is relevant since SLE has an Holographic -Panoramic cognitive style. (I've just made the connection as I'm writing the example above came spontaneously !)
    Regarding the gesticulation, for me it's usually when i describe things to others I tend to visualize with gestures grabbing and moving objects in space or draw in the air - like to illustrate a line graph, or sine wave oscillation. The same happens for example when dismissing someone's concern (I clash a lot with people who are concerned about things and worry) by "brushing it away" with a hand gesture. These happen unconsciously and automatically but I've noticed them after watching a few candid videos of myself with socionics in mind.
    I see IEI gesturing quite a lot too, but the gestures are more "detached from reality" as in they don't look like they manipulate well-defined objects, to me it looks more like random hand waving because it's probably related to some more abstract imagery.

    The "stuttering" T creative thing I had noticed before in SLE and ILE, but it's Gulenko who wrote a pretty good description about it (it's on a webpage somewhere too but I quickly found this post on the forum https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ion-by-Gulenko)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Regarding the gesticulation, for me it's usually when i describe things to others I tend to visualize with gestures grabbing and moving objects in space or draw in the air - like to illustrate a line graph, or sine wave oscillation. The same happens for example when dismissing someone's concern (I clash a lot with people who are concerned about things and worry) by "brushing it away" with a hand gesture. These happen unconsciously and automatically but I've noticed them after watching a few candid videos of myself with socionics in mind.
    I see IEI gesturing quite a lot too, but the gestures are more "detached from reality" as in they don't look like they manipulate well-defined objects, to me it looks more like random hand waving because it's probably related to some more abstract imagery.

    The "stuttering" T creative thing I had noticed before in SLE and ILE, but it's Gulenko who wrote a pretty good description about it (it's on a webpage somewhere too but I quickly found this post on the forum https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ion-by-Gulenko)
    Fascinating ! Yes I'm aware of that article. In fact I've read it several times but it seems like I didn't considered it as a extremely relevant information (just as a peripheral "maybe" kind of thing) for whatever reason. Now that I have a more precise idea of when and how to use Model A (semantic (text only)) and G (Behavior (+Semantic) (text plus video)) that information is more relevant.

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    In your opinion, what is the socionics type of C.S. Joseph ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariane View Post
    In your opinion, what is the socionics type of C.S. Joseph ?
    EIE ( the guru subtype).

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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    EIE ( the guru subtype).
    I would never have thought EIE, if you are not mistaken, I type still super bad in fact! xD


    So can one be EIE and rational? (I thought it was reserved for the ENFJ and ENFP) Why do you think he is of this type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariane View Post
    In your opinion, what is the socionics type of C.S. Joseph ?


    Host Eric, ENTP typist, a clear ENTP in type, types him ESTJ.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariane View Post
    I would never have thought EIE, if you are not mistaken, I type still super bad in fact! xD
    I'm afraid that my typing skills are not very sharp ! Rest assured that your typing skills can't be a worse than mine !

    So can one be EIE and rational? (I thought it was reserved for the ENFJ and ENFP) Why do you think he is of this type?
    Rational types are all the types with a "judging" IE in the lead function ( LII - ESE ; LSI - EIE ; LIE - ESI ; EII - LSE ).
    Irrational types are all the types with a "perceiving" IE in the lead function (ILE - SEI ; SLE - IEI ; ILI - SEE ; IEE -SLI).

    I know C.J Joseph since his beginning as a youtuber. I haven't tried to type him properly but I think EIE fits him from what I know of him.

    ENFP (MBTI) and EIE (socionics) are often (not always) mistaken for one another when we look at the type from a socionics perspective. In fact even in socionics from a behavioral standpoint, they can be mistaken for one another because EIE and IEE share the same strong and weak IEs (albeit not at the same function position of course) and kinda "vibe" the same. This InterType Relation is called "Quasi-Identity".

    C.J Joseph is self-typed as ENTP but even by MBTI standards that typing is questionable. Mistaken EIE for ILE and ENTP is not uncommon in the typology community. It all boils down to type images, that is to say "the subjective idea of what the essence of each type is" which are more often than not built via associations and vibes correlations to example of famous people and fictional characters (archetypes).


    PS : C.S. Joe always reminded me young Pierce Brosnan...

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    Thank you for your answer! I need to find out more about socionic, too bad there is nothing in French... Otherwise, the man in your video is very similar to him! I imagined the men of the EIE more feminine.

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    With C.S. Joseph, all you see is him in his teaching presentation, and i'd like to see some IRL behavior.

    An ENTP is about precision in finer points of distinctions. An EIE can look like that too. It is more of a spiritual journey in the ethical type vs. scientific discourse to setting the record straight with the NT. One is more building in straight lines, and the other is finding the soul of it or the value of it.

    Host Eric, as mentioned has been off on types before. Typing one guy an ENFJ where he was typed ESTP by others and he found his home in the latter type.



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    Bernard Rollin - EIE

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    ^
    He kinda looks like these guys..
     


    J.R.R. Martin.



    and Victor French



    I'm not sure if he is indeed EIE in my book of humble opinions though...






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