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    Tend toward SLE more than ESE. Her speak seem to have more clear Ti structure. And her face doesn't show that much emotion... could be H subtype?
    LIE, like her father

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2nG7-eXxko&t=2998s

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    I agree with LIE for Mikhaila. Or at least T type as she has that 'tough cookie' appearance some logical women have.
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    two IEI channels





    with an ILI as special guest at the end.

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    I think he is IEI -normalizing.

    I'm reading the book now. He's known for his historical novels about Helsinki, Finland were I live. So it's interesting to read in a way, but I don't think I'd ever read him if I didn't live here. I can't help thinking that he is kindof mediocre. He has developed a technique for his stories, a certain realistic way of telling stories, but it often gets boring and he's over-emphasizing historical markers and nostalgia. Lot's of talk about time and places, maybe too much. A LII I know can't stand his books because they are so predictable and repetitive. But, if you live here there the book is worth reading I think. It makes you more aware of the local history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    I think he is IEI -normalizing.

    I'm reading the book now. He's known for his historical novels about Helsinki, Finland were I live. So it's interesting to read in a way, but I don't think I'd ever read him if I didn't live here. I can't help thinking that he is kindof mediocre. He has developed a technique for his stories, a certain realistic way of telling stories, but it often gets boring and he's over-emphasizing historical markers and nostalgia. Lot's of talk about time and places, maybe too much. A LII I know can't stand his books because they are so predictable and repetitive. But, if you live here there the book is worth reading I think. It makes you more aware of the local history.

    Thematically he is process > result by a long shot (relation to past) and a rational (formal, structured self representation).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Existential Ibuprofen View Post
    Thematically he is process > result by a long shot (relation to past) and a rational (formal, structured self representation).

    what would that mean in terms of a type? EII?
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    what would that mean in terms of a type? EII?
    EIE.

    He constantly talks about past events that are out of reach. Also how people related social class and some themes about being subservient authority (IEE in contrast would think how to defy it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Existential Ibuprofen View Post
    EIE.

    He constantly talks about past events that are out of reach. Also how people related social class and some themes about being subservient authority (IEE in contrast would think how to defy it).

    That's interesting. Have you read his books?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    That's interesting. Have you read his books?
    No, I have not. I watched few interviews.

    This guy (EIE-CN) resembles him


    [Westö is probably something like NH or HN because he clearly steps into Ni in very Ti sort of way.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    I think he is IEI -normalizing.

    I'm reading the book now. He's known for his historical novels about Helsinki, Finland were I live. So it's interesting to read in a way, but I don't think I'd ever read him if I didn't live here. I can't help thinking that he is kindof mediocre. He has developed a technique for his stories, a certain realistic way of telling stories, but it often gets boring and he's over-emphasizing historical markers and nostalgia. Lot's of talk about time and places, maybe too much. A LII I know can't stand his books because they are so predictable and repetitive. But, if you live here there the book is worth reading I think. It makes you more aware of the local history.

    Usually, writers of over-detailed history with long, boring stretches of facts and descriptions are SLI.

    When I watch the video, I see lots and lots of Te, not Ti. I don’t see any Ni at all. He’s sitting in a fine old leather chair, surrounded by fine old respectable books, which seems very Si to me.

    He doesn’t have the overly concrete assertiveness of an LSE.

    I see lots of SLI and some IEE and a very little EII, but if I had to pick one type, I’d say that he’s SLI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Usually, writers of over-detailed history with long, boring stretches of facts and descriptions are SLI.

    When I watch the video, I see lots and lots of Te, not Ti. I don’t see any Ni at all. He’s sitting in a fine old leather chair, surrounded by fine old respectable books, which seems very Si to me.
    Lol!

    He doesn’t have the overly concrete assertiveness of an LSE.

    I see lots of SLI and some IEE and a very little EII, but if I had to pick one type, I’d say that he’s SLI.

    He's too psychological to be SLI imo. He is detailed, but EIEs can be detailed. There is drama, talent for story-telling, social awareness and nostalgia. Feeling is very obvious in his novels. I'm more open to Existential Ibuprofen's suggestion EIE. When I think of it, the way he tells stories feels extraverted.
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    When this guy is stereotype as SEE type's name, I think he could actually be SLE. Field Marshal. This picture, if it's real, remind me of a IEI face

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    ​Josh the cabaret singer (9:12) maybe LSI.

    Surprising, as the impression you get from many LSIs is that they're natural carnivores and unlikely to develop quirky eating habits.


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    Female LSI


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Female LSI
    can you tell me how you came to that conclusion? she doesn't say a single word in the video. is it her neutral facial expression? her expressive, childlike dancing certainly doesn't make me think that she is a 1-dimensional Fe type. I think ethical intuitive makes more sense, probably IEI. her face reminds me of jennifer lawrence
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    Beta NF?





    Haven't actually watched this one, but seemed like it might contain more casual examples of his behaviour:



    For additional context, he's said on stream before that he's center left politically but really hates cancel culture and speech policing. He seems very comfortable making pretty off-colour jokes, and he's gotten some pushback for using racial slurs in a few of his songs (he's half black although he doesn't look it). He's got five different solo projects, draws/paints his own album artwork, and has an insane stage-presence. Although I can't recall him saying this, he's bi I believe (he's had girlfriends and though I've never seen him with a guy he's got that bi energy)
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    https://moveandmeditate.com I think that Kait Hurley is an EIE. She talks a lot in her videos about going too fast in her life instead of slowing down

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWellArmedCat View Post
    Beta NF?





    Haven't actually watched this one, but seemed like it might contain more casual examples of his behaviour:



    For additional context, he's said on stream before that he's center left politically but really hates cancel culture and speech policing. He seems very comfortable making pretty off-colour jokes, and he's gotten some pushback for using racial slurs in a few of his songs (he's half black although he doesn't look it). He's got five different solo projects, draws/paints his own album artwork, and has an insane stage-presence. Although I can't recall him saying this, he's bi I believe (he's had girlfriends and though I've never seen him with a guy he's got that bi energy)
    Definitely beta NF, maybe EIE.

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    it's interesting how she mentions dichotomies @5:09 , she must be familiar with Carl Jung or at least the concept of personality types.

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    Shemar Moore - ESTp


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    Quote Originally Posted by lynn View Post
    Shemar Moore - ESTp

    LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarnished View Post




    When this guy is stereotype as SEE type's name, I think he could actually be SLE. Field Marshal. This picture, if it's real, remind me of a IEI face
    Gulenko actually types him as SLE.

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    "Imagine if we fired all our nukes"
    "Lmao yea"


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    My uncle when he served in the military:
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    My uncle in front of his… “garden”:
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    @Djinn is your uncle EIE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    @Djinn is your uncle EIE?
    Oh, don’t you go making me doubt his type!
    I believe he is SLE-D 7w8 so/sx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Oh, don’t you go making me doubt his type!
    I believe he is SLE-D 7w8 so/sx
    Oh given his expression in those photos that could also totally make sense - though I ofc wouldn't type based on two photos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Oh, don’t you go making me doubt his type!
    I believe he is SLE-D 7w8 so/sx
    From the two pictures, I'd have guessed he was LSI. HOWEVER, I suck at typing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    My uncle when he served in the military:
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    My uncle in front of his… “garden”:
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    I would have guessed LIE-N

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    From the two pictures, I'd have guessed he was LSI. HOWEVER, I suck at typing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I would have guessed LIE-N
    Well that is actually interesting. He claimed to have tested as an ENTJ in the MBTI system, but ESTP and ENTJ seem to get mixed in that system, commonly mistyping as each other. I don’t really see the normalizing though, he seems D, but I am still not well-versed in DCNH (I mentioned this to you in a Belle Delphine thread awhile back, still haven’t gotten around to really learning DCNH lol).

    I think iTR theory works in favor of him being SLE though. He knows how to apply pressure in conversation which gets me to open up more than other people can, and then he uses the information he extracts to give me advice and tell me if he thinks I am being “illogical” about something, which I have actually liked and found more helpful than any other person who has ever spoken to me (I’ve been terribly deprived of good ITR). In contrast, when LIE give me advice, it usually feels more like a critique and a standard I’m not living up to, and can make me anxious lol. I don’t really feel that with him.
    I also like his attitude towards family. He views his kin as important and valuable and wants to look after them, which is something he’ll let you know, and if you aren’t kin then you aren’t so easily in his good graces and has less tolerance for behavior, which is also something he’ll let you know. Maybe TMI here idk, but a good example of this would be how he reacted when my mom got pregnant with me. They were just teenagers at the time and he was much more of a loose cannon back then. When he found out my “weak”, loser dad (he shuns my dad for being weak) got his sister pregnant he showed up to his house with a gun to… well, like I said, he was a bit more of a loose cannon back then. But he decided not to follow through because he saw my dad taking care of another baby and didn’t want to expose that baby to the violence I guess. Idk what really went down there, I was just a fetus. He seems to have a soft spot for younger people and sees them as a responsibility, so he takes on a more endearing patriarch role. Maybe that is what stopped him that day. He has a pretty tribal view on family which I actually really like tbh.
    Further more with ITR, I have become a more active and productive person with his influence in my life. It’s like, when I am interacting with him, I actually make progress and things actually happen in my life. I feel like I have actually gotten shit done under his influence, and when he is gone I putter back down to inertia again. I know what Te does to me, and it isn’t that, haha.

    So he seems SLE to me, but the DCNH stuff is where I am less confident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Existential Ibuprofen View Post

    [Westö is probably something like NH or HN because he clearly steps into Ni in very Ti sort of way.]
    It was a good observation. I had assumed IEI because of the Ni in his books and also he kindof seems introverted. The Ni is obvious, but the Fe is actually even more obvious. All his stories are very centered around the social life of people. His texts are primarily Fe with some Ni. But I think I just didn't pay much attention to the Fe, I took it for granted. EIE works.
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    Katrín Jakobsdóttir - Prime Minister of Iceland = EIE

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    Leo Varadkar - former Prime Minister of Ireland - maybe EIE

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    Jacinda Ardern - Prime Minister of New Zealand = EIE

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    Jair Bolsonaro - President of Brazil - possibly SLE

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    Steve Jobs - EIE


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    can you tell me how you came to that conclusion? she doesn't say a single word in the video. is it her neutral facial expression? her expressive, childlike dancing certainly doesn't make me think that she is a 1-dimensional Fe type. I think ethical intuitive makes more sense, probably IEI. her face reminds me of jennifer lawrence

    I agree, her movements don't show a high degree of physical control which she compensates for emotional expression. Her dance style is similar to Kate Bush's.

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