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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Not disputing their types but why do you think a SLE would be trying to use his dual seeking function to pin someone down and not his base?
    I think he's using both. He's saying this is the reality we see in life which I think is Se, and he's saying it has existed all through time this way which is Ni.

    But the Ni is more aggressive because Adam is actively avoiding/ignoring it and Joe is trying to get him to admit it/see it. Joe is saying "How can you ignore Ni?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    I think he's using both. He's saying this is the reality we see in life which I think is Se, and he's saying it has existed all through time this way which is Ni.

    But the Ni is more aggressive because Adam is actively avoiding/ignoring it and Joe is trying to get him to admit it/see it. Joe is saying "How can you ignore Ni?"
    He is not using Ni arguments here at all. He is using Se,Ti and some Te.

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung

     



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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    He is not using Ni arguments here at all. He is using Se,Ti and some Te.

    Even when he talks about evolution and things being apart of human nature throughout time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Even when he talks about evolution and things being apart of human nature throughout time?
    Yes, SLE use Ti as a contact function. He is not using Ni. Socionics has Ni as "intuition of time" but it is much more than that. Even though he is talking about evolution and human nature he is just repeating things he has learned and accepted as truth. He is not using imagination or intuition of time. He is using Ti backed by Te to further his argument. His base function is underlying it all. I have seen Ti confused for Ni a lot on this forum.

    2. Introverted logic

    SLEs are inquisitive people. They are generally clear, consistent and systematic in their actions. They value competency and have an appreciation for method, viewing these things as vehicles through which strength, power and influence are demonstrated, values that SLEs consider important.

    While SLEs see logical systems and structured views as necessary in life, they will often view said systems and views as changeable or expendable. Their use of Ti is flexible. They tend to gather - either legitimately or illegitimately - and retain information which they deem useful in attaining their goals.

    SLEs come to their own conclusions about the world, although they tend towards simple generalizations. Because the SLE's ideas are influenced by their own agenda, they can be more subjective than they claim to be; they are skilled at using objective truths to help them achieve their goals. It can be very difficult to argue with an SLE; rarely will they submit to another's logic, since they believe that their own logic is so well developed. SLEs will often refuse to take others' advice - even to their own detriment - as they can have difficulty seeing viewpoints that differ from their own (though this may also be a matter of pride). They also have the tendency to compare others' plans to their own, and because of their confidence, will often consider them inferior or offer critique from their own point of view.


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    3. Extroverted intuition

    SLEs are largely unaware of others' hidden potential and abilities, since they size up people based on visible qualities and behavior. As a result, their judgments of people may appear simplistic or one-dimensional, and they may seriously misjudge or underestimate the capabilities of others, leading to surprises and sometimes rude awakenings. Likewise, SLEs may fail to recognize long-term opportunities in the world around them as they pursue the more readily visible and immediately available routes to success.

    To make up for their weakness in assessment of possibilities, SLEs may hesitate to act, believing that they are increasing the amount of opportunities they will have. Instead, they end up using none, thus failing to attain the results they were aiming for. In this sense, the SLE would have been much better off following his instincts in the first place. Many SLEs are aware of this, and simply prefer not to search for hidden opportunities and avoid this weakness altogether.

    When it comes to future planning, SLEs speak with confidence and apparent optimism, although in actuality, they rarely feel confident in positive outcomes and further possibilities. They may also consider advanced planning unnecessary for trivial circumstances, as they prefer to act impulsively.

    Despite their highly observant nature, SLEs are careful to avoid appearing too eager for knowledge. They become suspicious when others are overly curious about them and ask too many searching questions. SLEs are more comfortable asking and responding to specific questions that are relevant to the context rather than general ones whose purpose is unknown. When the information being exchanged is too broad and general, SLEs may wonder what the point is or whether someone is planning to use that information to take advantage of them. Concerns about revealing too much information about themselves and their activities sometimes makes SLEs appear paranoid and secretive.


    8. Extroverted logic

    SLEs have the ability to pick out information which will help them achieve a goal; they will often refer to well-known facts, statistics and historical examples to back up their claims. Often their own viewpoint will remain standing in the face of a majority opinion, as they know how to formulate a strong argument. SLEs will often question the authenticity or reliability of informational sources, preferring not to use those which are doubtful or which have been proven wrong in the past. They enjoy learning about a wide variety of things, and are motivated by the prospect of rewards and status; they like to prove their authority and skills e.g. through a large amount of academic awards or extra curricular certificates.

    Contact functions 2 and 3 are in the mental ring. The creative function produces new information out of what is accepted by the base function. This is literally how we uniquely 'make contact' with the world. This has potential to grow stronger as a conscious element since it's the Ego's connection to reality. In the role function, however, information from the environment is weakly accepted situationally, and is subdued since it opposes the base function's approach. Although it cannot truly grow in strength, where it does grow is within the individual's subjective understanding of that aspect of reality.

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung

     



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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Yes, SLE use Ti as a contact function. He is not using Ni. Socionics has Ni as "intuition of time" but it is much more than that. Even though he is talking about evolution and human nature he is just repeating things he has learned and accepted as truth. He is not using imagination or intuition of time. He is using Ti backed by Te to further his argument. His base function is underlying it all. I have seen Ti confused for Ni a lot on this forum.
    I still don't know how he's not using an Ni perspective. Searching through time and seeing some single stream of some foundational pattern that has existed transcendent of time. He may be arguing through Te/Ti/Se, but what he is arguing is an Ni perspective at large. Which is some singular reductive evolutionary theme existing in humans throughout time. How is that not an Ni perspective? I think it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss BabyDoll View Post
    Katherina (Kate) Minola (EIE) – the "shrew" of the title and Petruchio (LSI), protagonists of the Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew.

    Katherina - charming, verbose, intelligent, hot-tempered, and shrewish. Katherina's a girl who's just as capable of giving what she gets: just as the men around her objectify her, she insults and degrades them. However, her wit and anger scare both suitors and society, leading them to try to “fix” her. But while Katherina may be fundamentally unhappy, she’s unwilling to compromise her personality for the sake of others. Yet her angry, often violent, methods of expressing her frustrations do little to change anyone's mind.

    Petruchio - selfish and cunning, but completely honest about it. Petruchio is materialistic, snobbish, collected and domineering.

    central theme of the comedy is psychological interplay between Kate and Petruchio, more specifically, subordination and "educational therapy" often adopted by "declatim" LSI in the process of dualization with an EIE. The motif of such domestication is broadcasted in the play’s title by the word “taming.” A great part of the action consists of Petruchio’s attempts to cure Katherine of her antisocial hostility. Katherine is thus frequently referred to as a wild animal that must be domesticated. Petruchio considers himself, and the other men consider him, to be a tamer who must train his wife, and most of the men secretly suspect at first that her wild nature will prove too much for him. After the wedding, Petruchio and Katherine’s relationship becomes increasingly defined by the rhetoric of domestication. Petruchio speaks of training her like a “falcon” and plans to “kill a wife with kindness.” Hortensio even conceives of Petruchio’s house as a place where other men may learn how to domesticate women, calling it a “taming-school. the play portrays dispensation of the "dark energy" frequently present in characters of the EIE sociotype.
    "Not waiting for permission from the outside, Hamlet allows himself to "take his emotions for a walk", as dogs who have been sitting on a chain far too long, and releases them on whoever happened to be at hand. For this he provokes a scandal, using any opportunity to "pose the question or issue point-blank". And it's not that there are many "questions" and "issues", but that there is a lot of "dark energy" ("condensed emotions") that have accumulated, which are necessary to express somehow, to spill out somewhere, to discharge, because "burning them through" by oneself is all very difficult. It's not pleasant to see how unrealized emotions – their value, unrealized strength, hope, energy, and aspirations – burn pointlessly, as "dry foliage". Thus the EIE "lights up" as if on gunpowder whenever he is not allowed (for whichever reasons) to successfully and creatively to realize his emotional and energy potential."

    to close the psychological distance and to break the vicious condensation of this destructive energy, a static declatim LSI, applies the rigorous "carrot and stick" method, the aforementioned educational "therapy" with much success rendering her balanced and transformed at the end of the play. Katherina is still powerful and sharp but grounded and relieved of negative emotions at the end of the play, left in a state out of which, a true "mentor" can emerge to surface.


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