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    EIE

    very big Taylor Swift fan. hmm, I wonder why...

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    another EIE

    notice how their eyes rapidly dart around their room while they are freely speaking. a characteristic to keep in mind for this type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post


    EIE

    very big Taylor Swift fan. hmm, I wonder why...
    How dare you type me in a quadra with Taylor Swift. This means war.

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    Maybe SLE, but when he turned Lich King he became more LIE-like


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post


    another EIE

    notice how their eyes rapidly dart around their room while they are freely speaking. a characteristic to keep in mind for this type.
    Doesn’t look like that that but she exactly vibes as someone who I knew and want to burn in an effigy. Everybody in the class hated her, but people were kind so they just roll their eyes. Says she’s pescatarian so everyone should eat that and she should be served as such while on a classmate’s house, she would always try to make sure she’s a leader because she knows everything but she doesn’t. Super nervous energy like someone’s about to mess things up every time but she’s the one messing things up. Keeps on flaunting wealth but I don’t think she’s even that wealthy. Our submission was minutes late because of her and her late dumb self. Dumb as fuck. Solid top 3 in my most hated and would most likely to curse just bec I’m bored. It has been years but I always remember

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    To balance the hate though - I watch Niamh accidentally every now and then because of these shorts of her and her bf that pop up on my anonymous feed and she seems lovely though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coeruleum Blue View Post
    How dare you type me in a quadra with Taylor Swift. This means war.
    Bring it on

    https://youtu.be/QcIy9NiNbmo

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    One more EIE cause why not. I think it's unfortunate that this type is called the 'Actor', because I don't think acting is related to Fe. It's not based on vivid emotions that you express everywhere, it's based on a role that you imagine yourself to be in, which is Ni. 'Mentor' is a better name for EIE. I think they work well as teachers, especially with children. IEI is the actor personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post


    One more EIE cause why not. I think it's unfortunate that this type is called the 'Actor', because I don't think acting is related to Fe. It's not based on vivid emotions that you express everywhere, it's based on a role that you imagine yourself to be in, which is Ni. 'Mentor' is a better name for EIE. I think they work well as teachers, especially with children. IEI is the actor personality.
    Everything Everyone is awesome IEI
    Everything Everyone is not cool when you're part of a team they're a type I don't like
    Everything Everyone is awesome IEI
    When you're living out a dream they make posts on the Internet

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    Well, in the context of classic theater with contact subtypes put side by side the EIE should still win in voice projection, gesticulation, overall easiness with the lines. EIE are also naturally more dramatic and contrasting in emotions so difficult characters are expected to leave a mark on them more easily than on IEIs based on pure emotion and they should have a quicker identification process with the actions of their character. All this being more subdued in IEIs who I'd say would tackle the process with the intention of making sense of what is going on so maybe there's a truth to that but IEIs should live 'in the process' not 'in their characters' per se; it's a more prudent way to build sense for the actions of a character but if taken to the extreme that method is glorified only by 'pretentious' drama students whose opinion is just that. But, most importantly, distant subtype of - leads should be the least sought after for the theater except a few special roles, and maybe it's a stretch to say EIEs can't go that deep. More interested in the actions of people and with more to say about people in general, contact sub EIE might disentangle in real time people and actions so putting together the general idea of a puzzle might come easier to them. Distant sub. IEI: "why would anyone do that...whatever". And they go on with their day/drift away.
    Sicuramente cercherai il significato di questo.

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    https://media.irishpost.co.uk/upload...sa_Ireland.jpg
    https://media.revistagq.com/photos/5...rimes_6436.jpg
    https://i.redd.it/54ots2m4p0k71.jpg (Tania Sachdev, chess player)
    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/ImageCrop...ews2012_x1.jpg

    just posting it here so I can find it again and add some more people to that list that look similar. in chat it will just be gone and I will forget about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VewyScawwyNawcissist View Post
    And shee is the girlfriend of Mattie the cutest IEE youtuber

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    Quote Originally Posted by VewyScawwyNawcissist View Post
    Alive would say IEI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Alive would say IEI
    and thats gonna still be wrong and its still not gonna matter that he says it
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    I think Mattie and onlyjayus are IEI yeah. youtube is a novel concept that's about sharing your life and ideas. it mostly consists of xNFx types

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c0npxcc9Pjs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I think Mattie and onlyjayus are IEI yeah. youtube is a novel concept that's about sharing your life and ideas. it mostly consists of xNFx types

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c0npxcc9Pjs
    I believe we should strangle IEIs for all these corny youtube shorts then

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    Quote Originally Posted by two View Post
    I believe we should strangle IEIs for all these corny youtube shorts then
    Sometimes I feel like I'm torturing myself by watching this garbage, but yt helps getting some patterns in your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post


    EIE

    very big Taylor Swift fan. hmm, I wonder why...
    She does seem pretty Je in temperament (rigidity + excitability), ethical is very likely and I don't think she could be an ESE (she's a touch more tense/severe than I'd expect an Alpha ethical to be).
    So I think this makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    Sometimes I feel like I'm torturing myself by watching this garbage, but yt helps getting some patterns in your head.
    It is torture, you shouldn’t be exposing yourself too much into it, there is no pattern to see but few secs of entertainment

    I don’t mean all though, also entertainment is not that bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by two
    It is torture, you shouldn’t be exposing yourself too much into it, there is no pattern to see but few secs of entertainment

    I don’t mean all though, also entertainment is not that bad
    Yeah, exactly.
    @Alive don’t force yourself to watch stuff you don’t want to watch if you’re not in the right head-space for it, it’s not going to do you any good.

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    EIE is such an umbrella type that various "kinds" of people (categorized from outside of socionics) fit the bill for the type.

    I'm going to share some of the people I type as EIE as they fit the bill yet I have the "feeling" they're cognitively different from each other. For example (all from Spain) (and I do not say they're opposites because of their ideology, just their VI).

    https://youtu.be/o9Q9ZlKLeoU

    But then, there's this other person

    https://youtu.be/A3bu1PULQz4

    Or this woman here

    https://youtu.be/DalnW1D5lME

    All of them from politics, but, where are you going to find the best EIE examples, if not there?

    Another person I'm confused about, dunno if EIE or ESE.

    https://youtu.be/Mzp6fjCFHwQ

    And the last, yet the best... (specially if you know spanish)

    https://youtu.be/oXT6ssXjU6Q

    If anyone is willing to "point out" where the typings could be wrong, that would be nice. I honestly want to make socionics and my previous "type categories" coherent with each other. I also have personal life examples of conflicting people who both fit the bill yet have horrendous ITR, but that might be due to socionists treating Borderline disorder and typing them EIE (When in fact BPD "behaviors" are more common in ESFp than they are in ENFj lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBRS View Post
    And the last, yet the best... (specially if you know spanish)

    https://youtu.be/oXT6ssXjU6Q
    Good little NPC.

    He has literally no idea what he is saying, nor can he, hes just espousing borrowed ideas, with borrowed body gestures. A mimic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    Good little NPC.

    He has literally no idea what he is saying, nor can he, hes just espousing borrowed ideas, with borrowed body gestures. A mimic.
    He's a little child, children learn by imitation, I suggest you observe children, you'll see them speak like their authority figures while not knowing what that's all about.
    If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBRS View Post
    He's a little child, children learn by imitation, I suggest you observe children, you'll see them speak like their authority figures while not knowing what that's all about.
    I have a couple kids of my own (informally adopted as their Uncle) so I do know what you are talking about.

    Its just funny seeing one who has mastered the art of it so well. I'd wager that is why the majority of the people in that Covenant are cheering. Cheering on a tiny human speaking and acting way beyond his years. The message is really secondary to the delivery. Chewing the stage, the drama people say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber
    I have a couple kids of my own (informally adopted as their Uncle) so I do know what you are talking about.

    Its just funny seeing one who has mastered the art of it so well. I'd wager that is why the majority of the people in that Covenant are cheering. Cheering on a tiny human speaking and acting way beyond his years. The message is really secondary to the delivery. Chewing the stage, the drama people say.
    The term is ‘chewing the scenery’, but I get your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    I have a couple kids of my own (informally adopted as their Uncle) so I do know what you are talking about.

    Its just funny seeing one who has mastered the art of it so well. I'd wager that is why the majority of the people in that Covenant are cheering. Cheering on a tiny human speaking and acting way beyond his years. The message is really secondary to the delivery. Chewing the stage, the drama people say.
    Yeah that's really deplorable. I just laugh lots with it because it is so contextless and absurd...

    Btw nobody's gonna answer to my post's content?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBRS View Post
    Yeah that's really deplorable. I just laugh lots with it because it is so contextless and absurd...

    Btw nobody's gonna answer to my post's content?

    I wish i found something worth while for me in the monologue threads, I hardly respond to mutli-posts, because I prefer the instant interaction of the other site mediums, but my thoughts are that your list of EIE does not seem impossible. All types have variation and I think EIE are more prone to this, given what they "do".

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    mb IEI

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaecaedre View Post
    mb IEI
    I agree with the typing from a visual perspective, but I question how much sense it makes to share people here who don't speak english or are fictional anime characters.

    I also changed my typing of Magnus Carlsen and Erling Haaland to IEI.

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    I think this gay couple is EIE-C + EIE-H. Sorry no English.

    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I question how much sense it makes to share people here who don't speak english
    the types of people can be felt in their behaviour; their words are, to a degree, secondary, especially when it's a celebrity speaking publicly, as in a video (unless the contradiction is so strong that either their type or truthfulness can be doubted). i'd still say she was IEI if she spoke klingon

    Carlsen is not IEI, Haaland is perhaps LSE, SLE or another ST

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaecaedre View Post
    Carlsen is not IEI, Haaland is perhaps LSE, SLE or another ST
    You base that entirely on some subjective impression you got from both.

    Last edited by Alive; 09-02-2022 at 10:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    You base that entirely on some subjective impression you got from both
    1. types have not been objectively proven to exist and therefore there's no ''objective'' way to type yet; as such, all ways of typing are to a degree based on subjective impressions
    2. basing your typings of people on their speech is much more shaky than basing it on their non-verbal behaviour, which is much, much harder to manipulate and control - so if the type of people you don't know personally, such as a celebrity speaking publicly, can be ascertained, it stands to reason that their controlled, PR influenced speech is a worse way to do it, because it can be more easily masked (like how questionnaires are worse for typing than a video)

    to type entirely nonverbally, you have to systematically observe people IRL and see if their nonverbal behaviour corresponds reasonably with the theory - do the people assigned to the introverts behave consistently such in their nonverbal, for example? what about the Fe types vs. the Fi types? and so forth
    you may observe that there are no systematic correlations, as this is also a subjective judgment

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    Irene Papas - EIE

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    provocative LSI putin
    Your face makes your brain and sociotype – how muscle use shapes personality
    I want to care
    if I was better I’d help you
    if I was better you’d be better
    HELLO??? COME BACK!!!!
    i'm afraid it will hurt like hell, i am afraid of screaming and i am afraid of crying, i am afraid of forgetting but i'm not afraid of dying.



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    Quote Originally Posted by blaecaedre View Post
    1. types have not been objectively proven to exist and therefore there's no ''objective'' way to type yet; as such, all ways of typing are to a degree based on subjective impressions
    2. basing your typings of people on their speech is much more shaky than basing it on their non-verbal behaviour, which is much, much harder to manipulate and control - so if the type of people you don't know personally, such as a celebrity speaking publicly, can be ascertained, it stands to reason that their controlled, PR influenced speech is a worse way to do it, because it can be more easily masked (like how questionnaires are worse for typing than a video)

    to type entirely nonverbally, you have to systematically observe people IRL and see if their nonverbal behaviour corresponds reasonably with the theory - do the people assigned to the introverts behave consistently such in their nonverbal, for example? what about the Fe types vs. the Fi types? and so forth
    you may observe that there are no systematic correlations, as this is also a subjective judgment
    This is LITERALLY the best answer I've read this month

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaecaedre View Post
    1. types have not been objectively proven to exist and therefore there's no ''objective'' way to type yet; as such, all ways of typing are to a degree based on subjective impressions
    2. basing your typings of people on their speech is much more shaky than basing it on their non-verbal behaviour, which is much, much harder to manipulate and control - so if the type of people you don't know personally, such as a celebrity speaking publicly, can be ascertained, it stands to reason that their controlled, PR influenced speech is a worse way to do it, because it can be more easily masked (like how questionnaires are worse for typing than a video)

    to type entirely nonverbally, you have to systematically observe people IRL and see if their nonverbal behaviour corresponds reasonably with the theory - do the people assigned to the introverts behave consistently such in their nonverbal, for example? what about the Fe types vs. the Fi types? and so forth
    you may observe that there are no systematic correlations, as this is also a subjective judgment
    If I may add, We have to emphasize the significance of NonVerbal communication in real life in order to justify its importance in the Typing process. Although a lot of studies give different results, we can safely say that at least 60% of our communication is nonverbal. We can say that most of the informations perceived in Communications in nonverbal. Consequently we can conclude several things :

    1) Generality : This information is a bit more important to aguire in the process of Typing than the written one and/or the auditive one.

    2) The Better the interpretation of Nonverbal communication is developed in a Typologist the better the Typologist should be (Note that the typologist has to have a good perception of it in the first place).

    As a reminder, this communication is expressed in a dynamic Universal Language which is archaic in nature and of which the fluency requires awareness, knowledge and/or predispositions. If the subject have a good control of her or his NVC (for example a pro Actor) the typing might be a bit more difficult esp if the subject has a biased opinion of what her or his type is.

    https://www.pgi.com/blog/2020/03/how...lly-nonverbal/

    Finally, I'll point out that there are some critics about the studies on NVC but those critics are primarily about the methodology leading to results such as 93% is NVC but they don't deny its Importance. I didn't find conterstudies on the subject neither did I put a lot of effort to do so.

    Side note :I think that Socionics needs an additional code of correspondence between NV information and IE in the theory and this code has to be agreed upon among all socionics schools, so it also needs a consensus in that matter. I'm aware of J.E. Sandoval's Cognitive Type but his code is based on his subjective Ti. Socionics needs something similar but as I said more consensual in order for it to be an even more efficient tool imho.

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