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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    And, Kill4Me, Sasha Grey IEI? Are you out of your mind? Look at that face! That is not the face of a sexual Victim. Nor is it remotely like the faces of any of the ten IEI's I know.
    "Face of a sexual Victim" – what does that look like? But yes, she looks rather like an Se ego type.
    And... 10 IEIs? Wow. In real life?

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    i know at least 2 SLE's who are strikingly similar to marlon brando in looks (and i don't mean physical attributes, but his whole physicalness/ facial expressions) and attitude. i think his activism is maybe related to NiFe (seeking) ..

    e.g. that quote is clearly Ni (Fe) valuing for me ...

    "I don't see anybody as evil. When you start seeing people as evil, you're in trouble. The thing that's going to save us is understanding. The inspection of the mind of Eichmann [Adolf Eichmann] or Himmler [Heinrich Himmler] . . . Just to dispense with them as evil is not enough, because it doesn't bring you understanding. You have to see them for what they are. You have to examine John Wayne. He's not a bad person. Who among us is going to say he's a bad man? He feels justified for what he does. The damage that he does he doesn't consider damage, he thinks it's an honest presentation of the facts."

     
    When I lie on the beach there naked, which I do sometimes, and I feel the wind coming over me and I see the stars up above and I am looking into this very deep, indescribable night, it is something that escapes my vocabulary to describe. Then I think: 'God, I have no importance. Whatever I do or don't do, or what anybody does, is not more important than the grains of sand that I am lying on, or the coconut that I am using for my pillow.' So I really don't think in the long sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    "Face of a sexual Victim" – what does that look like? But yes, she looks rather like an Se ego type.
    And... 10 IEIs? Wow. In real life?
    Face of a sexual Victim - Usually, she has a haughty look about her, like she can never be taken by anyone, but also slightly warm and very intelligent. When she decides to surrender, her face smooths out and her eyes grow large. Sasha Grey has none of that.
    Actually, rereading that description, it is probably not general, but rather is more specific to IEI's.

    Yes, ten IEI's in real life. I know a lot of people, and for one strange reason, I'm attracted to IEI's. I know them very well, I know what they like and don't like, I know how they work and what they need, I like and admire them, and can recognize them easily. I'm also outgoing enough to approach them anywhere, and we are similar enough to form an easy connection after we meet. But I am not a normal LIE. I fell in love with my IEI aunt when I was small, and constantly played with my IEI cousin growing up, so I know what to do and what not to do around IEI's. I am a wolf raised by cats, so while we are very different, we usually play well together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    "Face of a sexual Victim" – what does that look like? But yes, she looks rather like an Se ego type.
    And... 10 IEIs? Wow. In real life?
    I doubt his typing skills here. I might know only 1 IEI apart myself, who is likely e9. IEIs are not like mushrooms, they don't grow everytime it's raining outdoors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet View Post
    I might know only 1 IEI apart myself, who is likely e9. IEIs are not like mushrooms, they don't grow everytime it's raining outdoors.
    Ha, same here! I also know of one girl who just might be an IEI Type 9... but I am not exactly sure, haha. Other than that, I don't know any IEIs IRL, at least not personally/closely.

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    i know a lot of IEIs too. probably way more than 10, but some of them i have only met once or never really talked to or they are just part of a wider social circle (<-it's incredibly difficult to get to know them closely, no one of us makes the effort .. ) from my experience, IEIs are not that rare. at the beginning i thought so too because i was incredibly bad at identifying identicals, but now it's easy for me to identify them. especially e4s are very easy to spot for me, e9s are a bit harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet View Post
    I doubt his typing skills here. I might know only 1 IEI apart myself, who is likely e9. IEIs are not like mushrooms, they don't grow everytime it's raining outdoors.
    I'm not hurt if you doubt my typing skills, and I understand why you would feel that way. IEI's are very rare, and you have to know what to look for, and it sometimes takes several meetings (although not always) for me to type them. In fact, I'm not very good at typing people in general, except for a few types. Those types are basically people whom I've been exposed to for many years. Or slept with, since that brings a lot of information forward in a short time. It also helps that I am very, ...very...good at analysis.

    Just as you, yourself cannot always explain why you know something, but you are sure that you know it, so too can I recognize IEI's, but I can't really summarize all the subtle clues that give them away. Suffice it to say that I have typed people as IEI's, then, when I got to know them well enough to ask them to take a Socionics test, they always typed as IEI's.

    The types I can pretty consistently recognize, if I can talk to them for a few minutes, are LIE's, IEI's, ILI's, LSI's, LSE's, SLI's, IEE"s, LII's, and to a lesser extent, SLE's, ESI's, and ILE's. But I need to talk to them for a while. My typing is based on microexpressions and conversations and watching them move and interact with me.

    Sometimes it is just a guess. When I first met the IEI I'm seeing now, I told her to take the test, and when she did, I asked her if she typed IEI. She said she did, but she could have typed as many other types. I told her that means she's IEI. And in the year since then, she has only confirmed IEI.

    They're not as hard to find as you might think, if you meet a lot of people and know what you're looking for. It is like looking for gold. It's out there, if you know how to find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I'm not hurt if you doubt my typing skills, and I understand why you would feel that way. IEI's are very rare, and you have to know what to look for, and it sometimes takes several meetings (although not always) for me to type them. In fact, I'm not very good at typing people in general, except for a few types. Those types are basically people whom I've been exposed to for many years. Or slept with, since that brings a lot of information forward in a short time. It also helps that I am very, ...very...good at analysis.

    Just as you, yourself cannot always explain why you know something, but you are sure that you know it, so too can I recognize IEI's, but I can't really summarize all the subtle clues that give them away. Suffice it to say that I have typed people as IEI's, then, when I got to know them well enough to ask them to take a Socionics test, they always typed as IEI's.

    The types I can pretty consistently recognize, if I can talk to them for a few minutes, are LIE's, IEI's, ILI's, LSI's, LSE's, SLI's, IEE"s, LII's, and to a lesser extent, SLE's, ESI's, and ILE's. But I need to talk to them for a while. My typing is based on microexpressions and conversations and watching them move and interact with me.

    Sometimes it is just a guess. When I first met the IEI I'm seeing now, I told her to take the test, and when she did, I asked her if she typed IEI. She said she did, but she could have typed as many other types. I told her that means she's IEI. And in the year since then, she has only confirmed IEI.

    They're not as hard to find as you might think, if you meet a lot of people and know what you're looking for. It is like looking for gold. It's out there, if you know how to find it.
    All I see is that you talk a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet View Post
    All I see is that you talk a lot.
    Tru dat. When I talk, I talk a lot.

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    Some of these are wrong, haven't read the whole thread but from the most recent posts, Michelle Rodriguez is SEE, Marlon Brando is IEI, use to think Sasha Grey was ILE but she could be SLE not sure yet.

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    Peyton Sawyer from One Tree Hill - IEI probably.
    Wait that's a fictional character though. For real people, the guy from Bfvsgf/Prankvsprank on Youtube is an obvious ESTp/SLE. He was also in the Marines and used to sell cars which is such a typical ESTp profession. I don't think his girlfriend in the videos with him is Beta though.


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    Lucky Luciano...SLE-Ti 8w7-2w1-3w4 so/sp







    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Luciano
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    Manuel Noriega...SLE-Se 8w7 so/sp





    SLE-Se 8w7 so/sp: Joey Merlino, John Gotti, Pablo Escobar, Nancy Grace, Manuel Noriega
    SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sp: Idi Amin, Griselda Blanco, Mussolini, Anton Lavey, Lucky Luciano, Whitey Bulger

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    The invention of lying movie with Rick Gervaise
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    In his younger pics, Noriega could be the identical twin of this guy I lived with when I was 19. He was a lot older than me and born in Nicaragua. They had similar interests. I never thought about that guy being SLE until now. We used to fight over how much I slept and how he couldn't keep it in his pants. My friends would tell me he was ugly but that didn't stop a couple of them from hooking up with him. ugh... he had charisma. That is the only thing that can explain my complete infatuation with him. Looking back I definitely get that, "what was I thinking?" feeling.

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    Valentina Petrenko - EIE-Ni sp/so - politician representing the republic of Cherkasia of northern Caucasus.






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    No wonder I've always weirdly liked Donald Trump hahahaha.. something about him was hilarious and felt familiar.


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    Lol Trump is that kind of SLE who reeks of needing IEI guidance, i.e. help with being less of an asshat

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    Lol Trump is that kind of SLE who reeks of needing IEI guidance, i.e. help with being less of an asshat
    90% of the SLE dudes I know are like this, thanks to a lifetime of coddling by society. Meh drinking some soymilk to balance out their hormones might do the trick as much as having an IEI in their life would.


    Good fucking job, gender norms.

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    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung

     



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    Randy Savage....SLE 8w7-6w7-4w3 so/sp









    GG Allin....SLE 8w7-5w4-4w5 sx/sp







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    Donald Trump....SLE 8w7 sp/so




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    Nicky Barnes...SLE-Ti 8w7-5w6-2w1 so/sp



    "To deal more efficiently with other black gangsters, he created The Council, a seven-man organization modeled after the Italian mob families. The Council settled disputes, handled distribution problems and other drug-related issues".

    "A New York Times article estimated Barnes purchased hundreds of tailor-made suits, Italian shoes, coats, and jewelry, which alone was valued at over $100 million"

    "Barnes would often make pointless stops and go on high-speed chases with little purpose other than to aggravate those following him."


    Wan Kuok-Koi....SLE-Ti 8w7-6w7-3w4 so/sp



    "Broken Tooth Koi was known for his flamboyance, callousness, temperamental nature and his media hungry high-profile which gained him a reputation as a John Gotti type crime boss of the Far-East."

    "He was soon making his presence felt imposing his rule with an iron fist and muscling in on the lucrative VIP rooms in the casinos. However his arrogant and brash style made him many enemies in rival Triads and within his own society. "

    "Broken Tooth was soon disregarding his boss’s orders and he began flaunting himself as the real power within the Triad society."

    "He even had a movie made about himself and his rise to power.


    "He cruised around town with his entourage in powerful cars and dressed in expensive suits generally causing a stir wherever he went. He also gave big-headed interviews to the media boasting about his exploits"

    https://globalmafianews.wordpress.co...-a-triad-boss/

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    Evgeniya Blinova - INFP
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    Valentina Petrenko - EIE-Ni sp/so - politician representing the republic of Cherkasia of northern Caucasus.





    LMAO @ that hairstyle. She looks disgusting.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Andrush Angelkovski - ENFJ
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Joaquin Guzman...SLE-Ti 8w7-7w8-3w4 so/sp





    Dawood Ibrahim....SLE-Ti 8w7-7w8-3w4 so/sp





    “If only I was there. They are my eyes. My people are my eyes, they are my mouth. They look at things and tell me what has to be done and what should not. I’m sitting here. From the entire world I receive information, and if that information itself is wrong then I’ll be misguided. The prime minister does not go to every street. People come and tell him what is happening and then he takes a decision."

    “I’m not going to any court. I have a court of my own."

    "I'm the judge of my own case."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome...#ixzz3eqIkzOkz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill4Me View Post
    Donald Trump....SLE 8w7 sp/so
    yeah, agree though so/sp might work better?

    overall he fits the description of contra-flow stacks and so/sp better, imo. and compare to sp/so:

    Contra-flow: sp → sx → so → sp
    Stackings involved: sp/sx → sx/so → so/sp → sp/sx
    Direction: Compelled against people. Seething belligerent outsiders; 'antisocial', provoking, reverse-flow change catalysts. In some profound sense, rejecting the human condition, their own and/or that of others.
    sp/so - conserving, protecting, maintaining, preserving, supplying, repairing, sustaining, stewarding
    so/sp - utilizing, employing, implementing, expending, exercising, spending, capitalizing, expropriating

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    Beneficiary to Henry Ford, an LIE. Ford was either Conflictor of Supervisor to his son Edsel Ford.

    Ford's wife Clara could have been his dual.

    Harry Bennett (1892–1979), a former boxer and ex-Navy sailor, was an executive at Ford Motor Company during the 1930s and 1940s. He was best known as the head of Ford’s Service Department, or Internal Security.While working for Ford, his union busting tactics, of which The Battle of the Overpass was a prime example, made him a foe of the United Auto Workers.
    The red-haired, bowtie-wearing Bennett projected a tough-guy image despite his small stature. He carried guns and conducted target practice in his office in the basement of Ford's administration building. [...] "I got things done," Bennett told Lewis in 1973. "That's why Mr. Ford liked me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    yeah, agree though so/sp might work better?

    overall he fits the description of contra-flow stacks and so/sp better, imo. and compare to sp/so:
    8w7 is an entirely aggressive personality type, so the default approach is an aggressive strategy: moving against. So expect some overlap with the reverse-flow descriptors. Lust is the passion of type 8. with sx/sp 8w7, for example, the circumstance where lust shows up in the most extreme form is in the lust to possess/enslave another. That hasn't been an achilles heel for Trump. With a sx/sp 8w7 like Phil Spector, however, that's not the case. Even though specter is a businessman like Trump (all 8w7s have an sp-ish cast), he's got that itch for controlling his significant others that Trump doesn't. Trump has never done anything remotely like handcuffing a girlfriend to the bed so that she couldn't leave the house. Trump will likely exert control in his relationships, but possessing another person in their entirety is not what gets his jollies off. It won't be the source of his unraveling. So the easiest way to distinguish between different stackings of 8w7 is to look for the achilles heel. It varies with each stack. For so/sp 8w7s it's "killing the competition" and "wiping out one's rivals". Al Capone is a prototype for that. For sp/so 8w7, it's "outdoing others." Trump has a more interesting story to tell. He's got a bigger building to build and a more outrageous thing to say. He's always mentioning that his apprentice show was number 1 in the ratings and that keeping score was the main thing that drove him.

    with so/sp 8w7 the easiest way to parse out from sp/so 8w7 is to contrast how they get up to the top of the mountain. Capone didn't make his money so much from being a savvy businessman. It was his capacity for sabotaging competitors, both within his social circle and outside of it. He won power struggles within the organization and eventually became boss. He also eliminated competitors in the bootlegging industry. His business strategy was predatory, but his actual business savvy amounted to no more than jump on the bandwagon (selling booze). It was the part after that where he kicks off everybody else on the band-wagon where the flow thing comes to the surface. Capone wouldn't have been able to made the money he did without first joining a gang and then gaining power within that gang...that's where the social instinct's ability to adapt and network differs from sp. Trump, in comparison, would have never saw such a route as his key to getting what he wanted out of life. Trump largely got his way to the top through brokering savvy real estate deals. He is a natural promoter and was able to envision large scale projects that could be directly converted into profit (and losses, as well)...Capone didn't have the instincts to do what Trump did. And likewise, Trump probably wouldn't have the understanding that gave Capone the intelligence to rise from a low level soldier to boss. Trump is a tough businessman but not a genuine tough guy. Capone was a tough guy in spite of talking like a businessman, and Trump is a businessman in spite of talking like a tough guy.

    It goes without mentioning that history sees many so/sp being assassinated or subject to assassination attempts. Mussolini courted numerous assassination attempts on his rise to political power. JFK and MLK were both so/sp. That Russian politician who was recently assassinated was so/sp. Larry Flynt was also the subject of an assassination attempt. Huey Long was assassinated. so/sp has the capacity to stir up that kind of hatred/strong reaction. Trump is stirring up a reaction but I wouldn't put it on that level. It's a different quality where Trump is more like a grumpy Archie Bunker. so/sp has a much easier time than sp/so drawing unwanted attention to themselves, and can sometimes turn themselves into a martyr for whatever their particular platform is. Trump is harder on the eyes, harder on the ears, and probably wouldn't draw much attention to himself if he didn't try so hard for it and wasn't a billionaire.

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    Zhora - ESTP
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    the crudeness and bluntness of this dude's writing seemed a lot like sx/sp so I checked his webpage and HOLY SHIT it's discojoe

    Jim Goad - LSI-Ti sx/sp - http://www.jimgoad.net/index.shtml?pix

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    the crudeness and bluntness of this dude's writing seemed a lot like sx/sp so I checked his webpage and HOLY SHIT it's discojoe

    Jim Goad - LSI-Ti sx/sp - http://www.jimgoad.net/index.shtml?pix
    Thanks, Silke. That was hilarious. Not something I see every day.
    However, I've got to ask you something.

    Given the list of search terms that he lists on his webpage, exactly how did you find this guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Thanks, Silke. That was hilarious. Not something I see every day.
    However, I've got to ask you something.

    Given the list of search terms that he lists on his webpage, exactly how did you find this guy?
    I was looking up relationship research and blogs and not at all the voodoo sex pest in jail

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    Shania Twain, possible IEI?
    At least these songs seem to suggest Beta NF of some sort...




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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    Jim Goad - LSI-Ti sx/sp
    I read some articles and wiki. I could see Fi-Polr. I'm not well versed with Reinin dichotomies, but he may be more of a Negativist than a Positivist. Vague impression of SLE.

    [x] Around 1994 the couple moved to Portland, Oregon and Goad devoted his time to writing. Debbie would be diagnosed with ovarian cancer while Goad was dating ANSWER Me! groupie Anne "Skye" Ryan. Goad described Ryan as "Sweet Dracula girl" and as being "...fifteen years younger than me and a thousand times more fucked-up." Goad and Ryan would have a physically abusive relationship, often beating one another up. They fought in public and were arrested and released. In November 1997, Debbie filed a restraining order against Goad, claiming he was beating her on a daily basis, eventually withdrawing it, stating she was "bullied into" filing it and was mad at Goad for having an affair with Ryan. Ryan eventually threatened to kill Goad, and he took out a restraining order against her. Goad and Debbie would divorce in 1997. In May 1998 the two had another confrontation with a fight in Goad's car outside of Portland. Goad left Ryan by the side of the road, fled to Washington, and was charged with assault and kidnapping, totaling 25 years in prison. While Goad served 7 1/2 months of pretrial prison time, Ryan befriended a dying Debbie. The two heavily publicized their relationships with Goad, who would eventually cop a plea. Ryan would go on to serve a couple of months in prison on her own unrelated assault charges. When asked if he had any remorse or guilt about beating Ryan, Goad said, "Absolutely not. I enjoyed it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevra View Post
    I read some articles and wiki. I could see Fi-Polr. I'm not well versed with Reinin dichotomies, but he may be more of a Negativist than a Positivist. Vague impression of SLE.
    He's all too self-propping and cocky for a negativist SLE, and steadfast in his tastes. These kind of cues are usually what distinguishes LSIs from SLEs - due to positivism, leading Ti (likely with a + sign), -Ne polr, and a few other things LSIs (especially male LSIs) are often all too sure and full of themselves, which gets them into a lot of trouble - but which is also what their negativist, forever wavering dual EIE needs.

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    SLE-SE Robert Downey Jr


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    LSI-Ti Alan Rickman


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    EIE-Ni Gary Oldman

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    Keny Arkana....SLE-Ti 8w7-5w6-4w3 so/sp

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