"Battle Typing" is a joke term I first picked from an Adam Strange post about tendencies of high Se/aristocrats, relax. Your type and/or system were relevant because for various reasons, I had to decide whether it made more sense to respond with a more Ti or Te approach. I chose the latter, and if I were to explain why, I'm sure you would take that as a personal attack too.
I have no issue with you, but I am not interested in walking on eggshells in the Beta subforum to spare the taste in your mouth. Block whoever you have issues with, meditate, leave, I don't see why you're telling me all this. You are the common denominator in all your issues with the forum. I've been having a good time.
yeah EIEs are annoying to be around if this is EIE.. drama and dramatic ppl are cringe af, esp IF the person is being disingenuous. I avoid it like the plague tbh, at a certain point it's beyond uncomfortable and practically drives me to step up the Se to shut it down by physical force if need be.
Prefer ppl like Ewan McGregor:
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- He is clearly an extrovert aggressor
- Elizabeth is clearly 3D Fe ego or more
- Archetype of brash conqueror and ultrafeminine doe eyed diplomat fits
Blah blah therefore they are SLE/SEE & IEI
This is based on implied understanding that stock archetypes aren't true enough to force people into boxes, but can be useful in the right case. I tend to use this among perceivers and less rigid rationals. Don't want people running with it and typing every "dreamy and poetic" chick IEI.
If they can't distinguish Beta vibes, but we're using the same foundations it would go something like this:
[Imagine Multiple Youtube Videos Here]
- Borrow or create a definition of Se vs Si. @[Insert Time] pay attention for Se words vs Si words. He talks about his desire for impact, minor league baseball career, competitiveness etc -> Se
- Describe romance styles, aggressor / victim vs caregiver / child-like; Beta vs Gamma. @[Insert Time] People talk about their mutual posessiveness, outward intensity, devotion, coarseness etc etc -> Beta aggressor
- Borrow or create a definition of T vs F. @[Insert Time], people describe him as hard to know, loner, direct, no bullshit, etc etc -> weak F
Blah blah, therefore he is SLE
This can get circular if you start having to debate/negotiate definitions. And a waste of time if you're dealing with a rational type who won't come off their "wrong" outsider archetypes of SLE/IEI or stereotype of Se/Fe etc.
Third option, is to deconstruct the person/group's definitions, argument, model, even belief system. I did a light version of this in the Trump thread. This is a last resort with most people, 2nd option with ExTx I think won't take it the wrong way.
Fourth option, come up with an alternate model or theory. I don't have the inclination, attention span, or suspension of disbelief for that.
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That is just structuring arguments after the fact though, which anyone can do. Ti in use would be how you break observations, interactions, experiences, situations, ideas, down to their unchanging elements and relate them to each other. End result being very fast recognition of familiar elements in unfamiliar or rapidly changing situations. Ti used by other types would be different, depending on the type of perception, rationality, valued/unvalued, etc.
JOEL MILLER LSI 6w5
William Foster LSI 6w5
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EIE - Corpses that changed my life
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Torres (MacKenzie Scott)-- LSI
Tywin Lanister LSI-D
Klayton / Celldweller
Good at spotting the details as well as the logical inacuracies, this woman could really be LSI!
she seems like an EIE to me.
I like her and she is very interesting to listen to, I would be glad to share my type with her!
I do have to say that I personally hate tiktok and it's interesting to me how it is full of 4D Fe types.
Sophie Xeon - IEI
Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore - IEI
@Alive WTF, der Alexander Gauland ist LSI!?
wieso ist Amanda Palmer SLE? Ich verstehe nicht.. hab geglaubt Sie wäre IEE oder EIE.. zu viel Fi.
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e_e lol what Strat says about LSI-EIE duality sounds like the EIE will get chewed out and spat back up: In cases when the relationship seems to be "worth it", the LSI imparts on the partner the most well-disposed and favorable impression (on a maximum of his upbringing and education). If expectations are not justified, the LSI can likewise switch from the state of high chivalry to extreme rudeness: the LSI dislikes being taken for a "fool", being cheated, kept for an idiot, baited and switched – in such cases becomes offended, angry, and considers it his duty to punish the offender. If the "punishment" consists only of an angry verbal attack or a loud rebuke, it can be said that the offender got off easy. The LSI is unforgiving of hurtful jokes and ruses: as it is exactly when he's made such an important bet on tying a favorable and advantageous acquaintance with the goal of finding a life partner, that he least wants to be sent on a wild goose chase, to waste his time, his chances, strengths, and material resources on a "fake", that could lead to no end of troubles and prove to be a dangerous and unsound connection.
the LSI-EIE relationship sounds fucking terrible tbh.. I'd probably dump the EIE as soon as this weird "lets fight!" drama discharge nature of her becomes apparent.. e_e and block every effing contact with her. Absolutely 0 need for that shit, my tolerance lvl for anything like that is 0.
Srsly, read this shit: Hamlet loves to play the role of a uncontrollable, infernal being, a captive of his own raging emotions, and, at the same time, a prisoner of the circumstances, that do not allow him to express those emotions - a sort of a "genie sitting in a bottle", annoyed already by the fact that others are underestimating the danger of all that has accumulated in terms of this explosive energy, ignoring his condition, getting distracted by their mundane everyday affairs, which seem to be more important to them than the need to allow Hamlet to release on all of his "steam", a need which no one else recognizes as relevant, primary, and super-important, except for Hamlet EIE himself and his dual Maxim LSI. Not waiting for permission from the outside, Hamlet allows himself to "take his emotions for a walk", as dogs who have been sitting on a chain far too long, and releases them on whoever happened to be at hand. He, of course, doesn't take outsiders into account: with them, at least the first few minutes, Hamlet tries to communicate within the norms, although he makes it clear to them that he can explode at any second. It is worse for those people who cohabit and live with him: he slights them without any hesitation if they ignore his condition and disallow him to express aloud his grievances, demands, and complaints in a raised voice. When Hamlet finally "speaks out", he winds himself up more and more, begins to thicken emotional tones and colors, allowing for the greatest amount of emotions to boil over. For this he provokes a scandal, using any opportunity to "pose the question or issue point-blank". And it's not that there are many "questions" and "issues", but that there is a lot of "dark energy" ("condensed emotions") that have accumulated, which are necessary to express somehow, to spill out somewhere, to discharge, because "burning them through" by oneself is all very difficult. It's not pleasant to see how unrealized emotions – their value, unrealized strength, hope, energy, and aspirations – burn pointlessly, as "dry foliage". Thus the EIE "lights up" as if on gunpowder whenever he is not allowed (for whichever reasons) to successfully and creatively to realize his emotional and energy potential.
REJECTED.. EIEs can fuck off kthx.
/o\ I don't understand, why is my dual prone to drama and conflict, I hate both..lol.
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regarding EIE, yeah I have the same problem. I find the constant drama rather irritating. my relationships with them usually don't last long.
Many years ago, my millionaire LSE buddy asked me to help his ne'er do well adult son establish a business so the son could be productive and happy, rather than unemployed and a constant thorn in my buddy's side.
The business that his son wanted to start was making guitars out of carbon fiber, which could have a hugely profitable market if it were done right.
The father rented a building, bought equipment to design and build molds for carbon fiber instruments, and his son started learning how to make carbon fiber musical instruments.
Since he'd never really had a job before but was entirely in charge of this one, the son was having the time of his life. His father, on the other hand, was watching the money burn. They booked a booth at an industry trade show without a product, which put pressure on everyone, including me, to get a prototype built in time to show it off.
The process of infusing epoxy into the carbon fiber in a mold was giving us problems. More equipment was purchased, including a vacuum chamber and an autoclave. The molds were extremely expensive and had insert parts to embed into the carbon fiber. We were breaking parts and breaking molds upon release and it seemed like we could not get a good part.
Finally, about two days before the show, we managed to get a good part. The son destroyed the mold in removing it, but I thought, "Finally. We have something we can show. It doesn't really matter that it will take weeks to build another mold. Once we show this and get orders, we'll be on our way."
The son proceeded to place two bricks on the floor, placed the guitar across them, and jumped on it until it broke. "Stress test", he said.
At that point, I quit. We didn't have a product and we didn't have a mold and I was giving free time to a "business owner" who had no sense of doing business. I realized that the entire point of this exercise had never been to build a business, but rather it was a way for the son to dramatically and publicly stick it to his old man.
I also realized something else. The son was an EIE.
@shotgunfingers you make a lot of posts about EIE being the worst and I think these descriptions aren’t wrong per se but they aren’t fully what EIE is IMO. Like you said yourself about LSI descriptions, they might vaguely be stuff you relate to but irl you are much more chill most of the time.
I think myself and the EIEs I’ve known come off as normal and likeable 95% of the time. I don’t think people would describe us as difficult or combative. I would say the above description is true in that if I am upset, I want people to acknowledge it and I would get increasingly more restless and testy if they didn’t notice it, or worse - belittled it. My bf is forever saying shit like “why are you flipping out?” Or “I’ll just wait until you finish your tantrum.” Which causes me to go from a 6 to a 10 on an anger scale and “take my emotions for a walk.” But it is usually resolved quickly. We’ve never had a fight where we weren’t back to normal after a couple of hours.
I’d never cause drama for the lulz. It’s more like, everything has deep significance so what might be a small slight to someone else is a major disrespect to me. It’s not that I’m playing a melodramatic part, it’s that life is a melodrama where everything that happens is of great importance.
"I take back like half of the exclamation points.....they make me look....eager to please. Which I AM....but I don't want anyone to KNOW that"
- Carrie Fisher