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    J. Edgar Hoover ISTj



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtcjMYYbLdc [Pictures]

    John Edgar Hoover (January 1, 1895 – May 2, 1972) was the first Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) of the United States. Appointed director of the Bureau of Investigation—predecessor to the FBI—in 1924, he was instrumental in founding the FBI in 1935, where he remained director until his death in 1972 at age 77. Late in life and after his death Hoover became a controversial figure, as evidence of his secretive abuses of power began to surface. He was found to have exceeded the jurisdiction of the FBI and have used the FBI to harass political dissenters and activists, to amass secret files on political leaders, and to collect evidence using illegal methods. Hoover consequently amassed a great deal of power and was in a position to intimidate and threaten sitting Presidents.
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    I'm afraid those Hodgetwins are fairly sx/so ...Gamma Se base imo.
    but uhm I haven't watched anything, just by 1st impression and vibe.

    is anyone jealous or smth

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    Frank Sinatra is so/sx btw

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    @Kill4Me can you develop more about your irises theory?

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    I don't think you understand how his mind works: visually and mathematically.

    that said measure the iris/spots/freckles/whatever the fuck else in the eyes and ignore all other data ...or heaven forbid, some holistic personality of ppl. what do they say. what do they do. what do they like. do they talk about relationships/one-on-one bs most of all or about the history of geology. what does their bio look like. it doesn't matter.

    also he's coming from a very non-Sx vantage point ..he seems to completely disregard the energy ppl project and fixates only on that iris thing.

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    Courtney Love....SLE-Se sx/so 8w7



    some template markers for her enneagram type:

    the voice is gutty....its coming from deeper in the gut. like sinatra.
    kinesthetic is naturally assertive....
    the body is loose, relaxed....has an animalistic quality.
    assertive types are assertive in a relaxed state (they don't have to be emotionally psyched up to assert themselves).
    she doesn't have a tense, worried look on her face..
    she relishes in her badness. she has a bull in the china shop quality.
    she's not trying to pump energy into the environment like 7w8s do...that's another good distinction between the hodgetwins and 8w7s...her energy is 'weightier,' 'heavier'

    for her socionics:

    her cognition is Se-dom as can be seen in that interview....she's grasping qualia in almost every perception.

    this below quote highlights one instance of qualia-grasping (mixed in with the 8w7's relishing in one's own badness, villainy).

    "he was like, why do you get so controversial? rock n roll is like a comic book and i'm sorta like....in batman...i might be the joker's daughter"

    for her stacking:

    she has an ability to shape shift (sx/so = playing parts, assuming a more attractive form...3ish)
    sx/so types are capable of any behavior due to the ciphonous, merging abilities of the sx-instinct....
    she's a big exhibitionist....she's always 'on.'
    enneagram type is your cock....stacking is the condom on your cock...
    every now and then her condom slips off....love goes on tirades and gets obsessed with trying to tear people down (a good point of distinction from Madonna).

    Simorangkir claims that Love falsely accused her of lying, stealing, dealing drugs, assault, prostitution, and losing custody of her child, among other things.
    http://www.dmlp.org/threats/simorangkir-v-love

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    enneagram type is your cock....stacking is the condom on your cock...
    every now and then her condom slips off.











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    What is the difference between your irises and maritsa's chins?

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    John Gotti....SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sp



    all 8w7s have an sp cast....the soc-8's anti-fatherness shows up in Gotti's punitive hatred for Castellano...

    SLE picks up on the qualia that makes Gotti's case to other mafioso for getting rid of Castellano....Ti subtype augments the 7 wing's planning ability.

    in a sense Gotti ended up destroying the mafia....it almost perfectly reflects the thrust of soc-8.

    Gotti is similar to Blanco. "Killing the competition" was a major theme in their rises to power.

    in the criminal world, that gets done with bullets. by less neanderthal means in the non-criminal.

    the natural archiving abilities so/sp types have is an easy way to distinguish so/sp from sp/so, and most definitely sp/sx.

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    Jesus according to the last posts in this thread, SLEs are either criminals or mentally disturbed jocks. Wtf.

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    Whitey Bulger....SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sp









    like gotti....his own self-assumed, self-assured, then self-directed vision of himself as boss is what ultimately drives the action.

    he exploits a gang in youth.

    he rises to become boss of the city.

    he has an uncanny social relational intelligence.

    He is highly persuasive.

    He bucks the status quo.

    He kills the competition.

    he has more Napoleonic inflation than Gotti....Napoleon/Vlad/Alexander the Great/Mussolini were 8w7-5w6-4w3...Bulger/Stalin/Kulinski/Blanco are 8w7-5w6-3w4.

    Blanco was the Stalin of Drugs. Gotti is a 6 fixer. 6 fixers are a little more human...the 5 fix is a power-oriented fix.

    with soc853 and 854, they're always going to be engaged in battles to build/expand their empires....there's not going to be that reflex for human things (baseball games, beaches, parties, etc).

    the ambition is much too big.
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    Jesse James Hollywood....SLE-Ti 8w7-6w5-3w4 so/sp









    Some 8 markers:

    *relishes in his own badness...identification with outlaw
    *too focused for a 7w8
    *no hesitations about being the tallest poppy
    *not backing down in the beef with ben markowitz.
    *having to even the score....upping the ante (vindictive self-assertion)
    *naturally persuasive...has an easy time convincing others to break the "law."
    *getting others to kill for him rather than kill himself...any type can kill by themselves. it's more the mind that is aggressive in 8 than just the behavior.

    Some social first markers:

    *all 8w7s have an sp-cast....how they go about making money will vary with the stacking.
    *in his case its through being the chief of a social group/gang....as ringleader....dealing drugs doesn't require an astute business sense.
    *the social instinct overlays the core type with an orientation towards group dynamics (that applies to any type that is social first)

    After the party, members of Jesse's gang allowed Nicholas to believe that he would soon be freed. Instead, Hollywood called Ryan Hoyt, a crew-member of Jesse's gang who was $200 in debt to him,[3] to "take care of" Nicholas, giving him a TEC-9 semi-automatic firearm. The decision was made to commit the murder in the Santa Ynez Mountains, close to West Camino Cielo Road, north of Goleta, California.
    His coach would later describe him as an "emotional kid" who was later expelled for erupting into a violent fit of rage at one of his teachers near the end of his sophomore year.
    He recruited his former high school friends William Skidmore, Brian Affronti, Benjamin Markowitz, and Jesse Rugge to dispense narcotics for him and build up a profitable illicit drug operation.
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    Joey Merlino....SLE-Ti 8w7-6w5-3w4 so/sp









    George Anastasia said, "He had been picked up on a drunken driving charge in Margate, New Jersey. Merlino, who often drank more than he could handle, tried to bribe the police officer who brought him a Breathalyzer test. He offered $400 in cash and his gold watch. Merlino made his offer while he was in the police station. The cops got it all on videotape."
    Joseph Merlino has been described as a particularly vicious person, obsessed with his own public image, and another version of New York's John Gotti.
    he was known to beat up people, rob people, and start fights in clubs.
    According to mobster Ralph Natale, he and Merlino began plotting to take over the Philadelphia crime family while they were cellmates in a federal penitentiary in 1990. Natale named Steven Mazzone, George Borgesi and Martin Angelina (an opponent of Nicky Scarfo, Jr.), all Merlino associates, as co-conspirators in the take-over plan
    When John Stanfa emerged as the new leader of the Philadelphia family, an all-out war broke out between Stanfa and the so-called "Young Turks" led by Merlino.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Merlino

    When Merlino left court today, with an escort, reporters wanted to know about his return to Philadelphia.
    “I miss the Mummers’ Parade,” Merlino replied.
    Said one reporter, “The US attorney says you’re still an active member of the mob.”
    “The guy’s mental,” Merlino responded immediately.
    Merlino kept moving and, when asked if authorities are picking on him, responded with his own question: “What do you think?”
    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...e-guys-mental/


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    Ti-SLE So/Sp




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    Larry Flynt...SLE-Ti 8w7-5w4-3w4 so/sp



    Enneagram:

    -animalistic kinesthetic. assertive, coming forward in energy to take charge of the proceedings at one point. for the most part, loose, relaxed, in motion.
    -pitch is coming from deeper in the gut....
    -he's boldly cynical. ("bold cynic" is a phrase naranjo uses to describe type eight, and what naranjo elaborates of it makes flynt its poster boy)
    -he's using accusations/verbal denigrations against Falwell as a way to dominate/possess the environment....he's not just representing his position as the most logical/rational, nor putting it out there for rational discourse, but is tearing Falwell down and seeks to dominate the mind of the interviewer (Lust = siphoning intensity out of the environment...it's a little different from the 7w8's pumping energy into the environment). That's the core kinesthetic....the words are just window dressing.
    -clearly relishing in his badness throughout the deposition and the qualia his Se picks up on is also slanted towards that 8 relishing.

    socionics (Cognition):

    almost everything he says in the deposition is raw Se....no Ti whatsoever.

    here's a couple examples:

    "Have you ever lived in dayton, ohio?"
    "No, I was hatched in Dayton, Ohio"

    "When you say natural son are you using that in the 19th century term?"
    "No I'm using it meaning he came out of my cock."

    "individual liberty is something I'd like to do right now....take a shit right on top of your head."

    that's pure qualia grasping...

    he is most definitely a negativist (SLE > SEE). . His work product....hustler magazine...is Ti infused with Se.

    Stacking:

    -so/sp archiving instinct....often referencing the archives ("check the document").

    -lots of anti-fatherness....he's picking fights with religious leaders and the supreme court. He expresses violence and contempt for the bible and religion. A very good example for soc 8w7...what paul castellano was to Gotti, jerry falwell was to flynt.

    interviewer: "and wasn't one of your objectives to destroy that integrity, or harm it if you could?"
    flynt: "to assassinate it."

    -the way he says "yes" at 4:33 is hardcore so/sp. the 'yes' has a cherubic quality that keeps the so/sp merry-go-round in full motion. the cherubic "yes" and angelic smiles throughout the deposition gives flynt's vindictive self-assertion a social lubricant.

    the social antisocial
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    Althea Flynt....SLE-Se 8w7-6w7-3w4 sx/sp



    http://articles.philly.com/1987-07-1...ynt-public-eye

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    Quote Originally Posted by peteronfireee View Post
    Hey everyone, here are some stereotypical beta types!! Discuss!! Enjoy!!

    Male ESTP

    SLE 3w2 sp/sx

    Female ESTP

    SLE 6w5 sp/so...alternatively, SEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    The Old Man from Pawn Stars - SLE

    LSI 9w8 so/sp
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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    Filip Hammar (right; SLE-Ti)
    two Swedish writers, television hosts and journalists
    ILE 7w8 so/sx

    Chelsea Handler (SLE-Ti so/sp 7)

    ILE sp/so 3w2

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThisIsKade View Post
    These are my hunches:

    SLE: Danny Brown ENFp 6w7 sp/sx, James Deen EIE 3w4 so/sx, Charley Boorman(?) EIE 7w8 so/sx, Jenna Marbles ILE 8w9 so/sx
    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by suedehead View Post
    SLE?

    LSE 7w6 so/sp

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    Zhukov: SLE 8w9 so/sp
    Arnold: LSE 3w2 so/sp
    Blavatsky: EIE 8w9 sx/sp

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    Henry Kravis (SLE-Ti so/sp)

    LSE 8w9 sp/so

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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    Kevin Spacey – SLE
    Some sorta NF.

    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    Shaun Smith: SLE-Ti so/sp

    LSE-Si 7w8 sp/sx

    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    LSE-Si 8w7 sx/sp

    LSI:

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    Eduard Basurin (photos) - SLE-Ti so/sp 6w5 - commander of the Donetsk People's Republic militia, the Eastern Ukranian forces that are currently fighting for their independence against Ukranian army


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    Eva Green Ni-IEI sp/sx. Edit: E4

    "She is so beautiful, it's indecent." - Bernardo Bertolucci on Eva Green
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZDW9BkweHQ

    I am a very shy person in life, very reserved, but you know, it's Bertolucci. I've seen Last Tango and it's not pornographic, it's not vulgar, it's not sick, so I trusted him. He's a master of love and eroticism, but it's good because I stopped being self-conscious. I felt like I was on drugs or anaesthetised because you have to be. You have to let yourself slip away and forget everything, forget the sound guy and all that.
    When I’m at home in London, I walk all the way through the centre, through Regent’s Park. I love going to the cinema and I love reading. It’s very boring really – I’m not somebody who goes out to clubs and things like that. I wear no make-up in real life. I’m very simple. I wear jeans and T-shirts. That may be why I go over the top for the red carpet. But otherwise, I’m very plain. I am really in my own bubble.
    I’m not that confident in real life, so sometimes I’m drawn to playing strong women because I wish I could be like this in reality. Like if somebody annoys me, I wish I could say: ‘Off with his head!’ In general, I am very scared, so it’s kind of a dream to be so ballsy on-screen, even to be rude and evil. In reality, I’m really quite an introvert.
    It's a way to exteriorize all my shit. To scream and cry and laugh on-screen, it's almost like black magic. You can do anything. I'm a dreamer, so that's a good job for me. Onstage is the only place I can fully express myself.

    Eva loved to entertain us with a lot of funny expressions. On one of these occasions, while we were shooting a scene on a counter, took the soda siphon and sprayed everywhere … .she definitely relaxed the set!

    For me, acting is like a therapy. I can express myself fully when I am acting and have blood in my veins. Even when I'm not working, I'm always living in my own world, imagining characters.

    “I’m so boring,” Green tells PEOPLE with a laugh. “I’m such a homebody. I’m not into going to parties because I never really feel comfortable. I’m a bear who lives in a cave.”

    A self-described introvert – who says she took up acting to help with her acute shyness – the embrace of the coastline of Dublin Bay comforts her.

    I hardly ever go to parties. If I really have to, I’ll go, but I’m not the most open person, which is sometimes not the best quality.

    I'm not really involved with politics... I'm living in my cocoon with my classical music around.

    It's true that I'm drawn to unusual stories. Normal roles don't really attract me.

    I’m not into social media. I’m like from another century.

    I am a dreamer. Seriously, I’m living on another planet.

    People think I'm so strong, but I'm very shy.
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    You chose her most innocent pic. I think she's Se ego, probably ESI .... reminds me of sevjenn as vibes

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    I was going Se- suggestive for her, because of videos/interviews. It's really a recurring thing she says about herself. I think she is putting herself out there, challenging herself, but ultimately she sees it as a weakness, an area where she is not very confident and that she wants to develop. Example:

    she, the very private person, who said she lives “like a granny” and deplored sometimes for staying “the child who does not always know what to do with her body.
    She is also more Fe than Fi for me. Influencing emotional atmosphere, making faces, expressiveness, etc. You can see it in a lot of quotes and interviews and in her movie roles. She often plays characters that are a bit over the top. It's not contained, controlled. More expressive, flowing out. She is not too stiff in interviews. Her emotionality and overall quality is more 'flowing'.
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    Diana Vreeland - EIE

    someday the grapes will be wine
    and someday you will be mine


    EII-Ne 2w3 - 9w1 - 7w8 so/sx

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    RSDtodd....EIE 3w4 so/sp...3w4-6w5-8w7

    https://twitter.com/rsdtodd

    "RSD Todd @RSDTodd · May 17
    I'm just here to start a pickup revolution"



    "Growing up, I was always super polite and proper... to the point of being unassertive in general. I had a ton of empathy and compassion and I never wanted to impose on anyone or give them a negative experience. I needed to have some positive interactions and positive feedback to show me that I was actually offering value when I talked to strangers. And to be fair, I needed some feedback to convince me that hot women, in general, were nice."

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    Quote Originally Posted by suedehead View Post

    The most Beta guys in this entire thread so far.

    SLE-Se, 8w7 Sx/Sp.

    "Sexual/Self-pres 8
    This subtype is very charismatic. They have a very assertive energy and they demand attention. The lust of the Eight combines with the sexual instinct to make one of the most fiery of the combinations of all of the enneatypes, especially if Seven is the dominant wing. Sexual/self-pres Eights aren’t afraid to tell you what they think. The “can do” attitude that the other subtypes have is now intertwined with an outward passionate storm of energy. The sexual/self-pres Eight will be similar to the self-pres/sex Eight with respect to interests and attachment to close friends and family, but the intensity level is augmented. Since the sexual instinct is first, these Eights usually don’t let an opportunity pass by to connect with those they find interesting. They can sense the power in any situation and they like to challenge people. They can enjoy making others react to them, keeping others on their toes, to find out what makes them tick. They are likely to use humor to accomplish this. When sex/self-pres Eights are unbalanced, they are very quick to anger and have a difficult time controlling their impulses."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    The most Beta guys in this entire thread so far.

    SLE-Se, 8w7 Sx/Sp.
    are you kidding.

    do you really think 2 such folks have exactly the same E-type and stack lol,

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    SLE woman.

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    Fight between two SLE women.

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    Julia Merfeld....SLE 8w7 sx/so




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    Sir Alex Ferguson. LSI-Se Enneagram Soc/Sp.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Marlen Brando SLE. He's still sexy, even as an old fart.



    I love the SLE "thinking" furrowed brows.
    After a lot of contemplation, I have come to the conclusion he must be SEE-Fi, 7w6 Sx/So. His activism concerning the Indians etc. was simply too much connected to Fi valuing for him to have Fi PoLR.

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    Travie Williams – SLE






    Describing an IEI, basically.


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    Pablo Escobar...SLE-Se 8w7-3w2-7w8 so/sp



    Aristotle Onassis....SLE-Ti 8w7-3w4-7w8 sp/so LIE



    Maria Callas...IEI 4w3



    Sasha Grey...IEI 3w4 sx/sp SLE



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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    After a lot of contemplation, I have come to the conclusion he must be SEE-Fi, 7w6 Sx/So. His activism concerning the Indians etc. was simply too much connected to Fi valuing for him to have Fi PoLR.
    It was my understanding that Brando's activism concerning the Indians was at least partially selfish. He owned land that had deferred taxes on it, and a few days before the taxes were due (after ten years of ownership), he gave the land to the Indians. But my memory of this may be faulty.
    More telling was the fact that he always gave me the impression of wanting to be loved (HA-Fe), rather than wanting to know (HA-Te).

    And, Kill4Me, Sasha Grey IEI? Are you out of your mind? Look at that face! That is not the face of a sexual Victim. Nor is it remotely like the faces of any of the ten IEI's I know.
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