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    Thanks all!

    I just told him that we are doomed and he said: "Nah, I have resigned myself to being annoyed every once in a while." I also asked him which type of woman sounds more appealing, ILI or IEI and it was definitely the IEI. I really am pretty sure he is SLE and I also know that my drives him crazy: "OMG, when you go back and forth between options instead of just getting it done I want to just jump off the bridge." He has jumped off a lot bridges in the last five years, poor guy.

    Interestingly, we have developed a lot of the strategies suggested here over the years. He knows, for example, that I love being provided with comfortable surroundings and does his best to do so although it's quite unnatural for him. I can tell we each have taken on behaviors of the other's dual.

    In the end, it might not be as effortless and comfortable as it was with my SLI ex, but we make it work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
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    maybe (like you said) he's not SLE. the gnome thing sounds like something Fi types might do - at least, i've noticed Fi types finding indirect ways to address issues like that, if they address them at all. i think Betas prefer to address things very directly - to Betas i think the gnome thing would just be seen as avoidance of the truth.
    You know, I don't think I have ever been this confused about someone's type.

    He could be Se-SEE.
    I remember I also thought LIE was possible when VIing him.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
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    You know, I don't think I have ever been this confused about someone's type.

    He could be Se-SEE.
    I remember I also thought LIE was possible when VIing him.
    Oh?
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    ^That is a good idea, but IMO, you gotta be more subtle than that. An SLE is likely to have the same reaction as I did to those code words, which is: What the hell? Like, why the fuck would I randomly say rhinoceros right before I say something? Why wouldn't I just say it...? So, I would say, do something that serves the same purpose, but without a sort of code system that an SLE (imo) is likely to find silly without being entertaining SLEs only like entertaining-silly, not functional-silly. Functional is functional; silly is silly. Although light-hearted jokes during serious situations (as long as the situation isn't TOO serious) are usually appreciated. And even then, if you have a morbid enough SLE, you can joke about (almost) anything. Although there will be unexpected subjects about which you cannot joke, in all likelihood.

    Anyway, I would say, use something more akin to: "Hey, I'm sure you know what to do, but I just thought I'd point out that..." I would say this in a somewhat silly/quasi-subserviant tone of voice which is semi-mocking but not really. (I never really noticed all these things that I do naturally that are super good fits with SLEs). And then when SLE comes back with, "No, we're just going to take I-30, because that leads to where we're going," I'd respond with, "Oh, well, yeah, you know what you're doing. Got it." Or if they were actually wrong, I'd escalate a level without signaling that I'm angry. So it would be like, "No, I'm pretty sure we need to take I-45, because if we take I-30, we're going to hit some traffic I read about in the news." But I suppose at this point I'm basically just telling you to be an IEI, so this probably isn't helpful.

    Anyway, you can also sort of tell him what he needs to do to make you happy. So if he needs to use a silly keyword to be clear with you how you're communicating, he probably won't mind (well, actually, he probably will mind, but he'll be willing to do it for twoo wuv rainbowrainbowrainbow). But again, I'm guessing he won't be too in to that.


    What else? Tone of voice matters a lot to SLEs---you can say some pretty mean stuff without offending them if you say it in the right tone. If you have to say something harsh to them, imagine saying it in such a way that you can finish the statement with this smiley face: . I mean, don't do that for something major, like, "Your failure to act caused this six month old child to die ." But you can use it for something like, "You know, I *did* kinda tell you to take I-45, so maaaaaaybe you should listen to me next time and we won't be on a parking lot on I-30? ." But make sure not to do this until he's gotten you out of the situation where he fucked up. If you nag him about it during the situation, it'll hurt him. If you joke with him about a mistake after he's already resolved it (i.e., gotten through the traffic, gotten to the destination if it's a long trip, or when you've gotten back home if it's a short one), it won't hurt nearly as bad.

    Also, don't be afraid to argue with them and call them out on their bullshit---SLEs are very good at being able to argue with you (as long as you don't trip certain wires) without getting their feelings hurt. It's like sparring. Although that might be more of a guy-guy thing or a general buddy thing than a thing they do with their significant other. But I dunno, most of the Beta STs I know would, I imagine, enjoy a bit of verbal sparring with their partners.

    lol yeah. You can pretty much tell them to eat shit & die with a playful smile on your face & they'll wag their tails & adore you like little puppies.

    To SLE's words don't matter; they value the tone of voice & emotion more. (This is really evident in SLE posters like Ezra & Merky). Because of this, SLE's have always reminded me a lot of dogs. You can rough house & play with them all you want, but show them any form of aggression and they'll bark & snap.



    This is one of the reasons why SLE's get along so well with IEI's. We never end up offending each other.

    Also, they kinda require a lot of positive reinforcement. They'll pull out all the stops to fuckin save you from a bullet going towards your head, but if you don't throw in some "wow, you really saved me, you kinda rock as a boyfriend" type comments, they'll feel slighted. They love fulfilling their duties, and as your boyfriend you can bet SLE feels like he has major duties as far as helping and supporting you. But if they don't get a decent amount of praise and thanks for it, even though you may never hear a complaint about it (after all, you're not supposed to want praise for things that you were supposed to do anyway), they won't be happy about it.
    Yessss. They love & adore praise. They'll go to the end of the earth for you if they know you'll reward them with love & praise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
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    What would the SLE find puzzling, frustrating, endearing, interesting, appealing...?
    IME, -demonstrative.

    SLE: "Keep being fun! Keep laughing! Keep smiling! Keep being happy, happy, HAPPY! "

    Which actually works pretty well when I'm feeling happy and all, but gets kinda rough when I'm anything else.
    Oh god, here we go again. is not about being happy; it's an evaluative function. The way you describe it is actually how an SLE would see it because our HA is seen through an archaic lens so to speak. People just don't get it I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octopuslove View Post
    Out of curiosity Kim (and I realise this is possibly quite personal so feel free to ignore) - why are you asking this question after 7 years? Presumably you have more experience with what works in SLE relationships than the rest of us combined?
    As odd as this might sound, I have had the hardest time typing him. The only part that was immediately clear was that he is an extravert. For the longest time I thought he is SEE and only recently did I admit to the fact that he might be SLE. I have to admit that my relationships with SLEs in the past were not the greatest because the ones I knew were insecure SLEs and came across as arrogant and posturing bullies.

    Now I am really pretty sure that he is SLE and it really took me this long. I opened this thread because sometimes I wonder why an SLE would be attracted to an IEE. Don't get me wrong, we are happy, but we can annoy the living hell out of each other. So I was curious what SLEs like and dislike about IEEs to see if it fits.

    As for the other way around, I admire his confidence and extreme extraversion (I have never met anyone who draws people like that), but I have a problem with the occasional recklessness and I would like to go out to dinner without ending up with strangers at my table every freaking time. He does a bit of posturing sometimes, which annoys me, too.

    I absolutely love that he is so extremely loyal and I am surprised by the "player" stereotype. Whenever he goes out without me, he talks about me all the time. He tells women who hit on him about me and I can't ever see him cheating. I do feel a little guilty that I am not as expressive and touchy feely (especially in public) as he would like me to be, but he understands (yay Socionics). And I do like that I can tell him anything straight out and is very rarely offended. Very admirable.

    In any case, tbh, I don't think we would have survived this long were it not for Socionics. A lot of the annoyances make a lot of sense when looking at the differences between the types. Lately I have been rolling my eyes and saying "you are SUCH an ESTp!"

    Oh, and he has a hard time understanding that I am not attracted to the bad boy in him. I like the puppy (SLIs can be such puppies, too).
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    Sorry, I don't understand if you're speaking about the same person - wasn't he typed as LIE? The black guy? Or perhaps it is actually another person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    Imagine an SLE falling for an IEE.
    Weird. It won't last. SLEs are weirded out by .

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Sorry, I don't understand if you're speaking about the same person - wasn't he typed as LIE? The black guy? Or perhaps it is actually another person?
    It's the same guy, but he is not LIE. Like I said, I had a hell of time typing him. Most definitely EP temperament.

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    Starfall, I can absolutely see that scenario and relate to much of it. I wonder if knowing about Socionics would have helped them?
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    I'm pretty sure slackermom said she dated several SLEs before meeting her SLI husband. She was pretty drawn to them, I guess.

    Now that I think about it, I know a superego marriage, but it's not SLE-IEE, it's EII and LSI. They force things to work but they fight and are disappointed with each other on a regular basis.

    Affirming Starfall's ex bf's experience, people can be WONDERFUL people, objectively and on paper and even in one's own life, but sometimes there's just that missing connection that, no matter how hard you try and WANT it to exist, cannot be constructed.

    Non-dual relationships can go for 20+ years. But it's true that time and circumstances take their toll and people *can* wind up extremely unhappy.
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    This whole thread makes ME sound like SLE.. I always read about how they are so needy of verbal/outward emotional expression and without it, don't know wtf is going on. What about Beta NFs though? Do they only provide the expression and not need it so much? I do both. I'm constantly craving for it and what Starfall wrote about her SLE & his problems with his ex seem like torture to me

    I'm always looking for outward signs of pleasure/displeasure, etc, anything -- I have had major issues even when people text and don't put emoticons or make it seem abrupt. I actually begin wondering if I did something wrong or if they're mad at me for some reason or other.

    Hm.

    Can't say I have had any real contact with an SLE though Not really.


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    Honestly...the whole intertype relations, duals, etc...is depressing. Just proves that nothings every equal...the fact that I won't be able to even come close to pleasing someone I like no matter what I do...no matter how authentic I am.

    The fact that some people just will never get along...I think this shit is sided against SLEs though lol, or its just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
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    maybe (like you said) he's not SLE. the gnome thing sounds like something Fi types might do - at least, i've noticed Fi types finding indirect ways to address issues like that, if they address them at all. i think Betas prefer to address things very directly - to Betas i think the gnome thing would just be seen as avoidance of the truth.
    You know, I don't think I have ever been this confused about someone's type.

    He could be Se-SEE.
    Prolly much more likely. I can see lookalike for 5 years better than superego. Those relations seem to peter out pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    This whole thread makes ME sound like SLE.. I always read about how they are so needy of verbal/outward emotional expression and without it, don't know wtf is going on. What about Beta NFs though? Do they only provide the expression and not need it so much? I do both. I'm constantly craving for it and what Starfall wrote about her SLE & his problems with his ex seem like torture to me
    Pure theory:

    Beta NFs use their capacity to intuit the feelings of others, combined with the emotional expression beta STs do provide, to reassure themselves as to the feelings of the beta ST without requiring frequent expressions of emotion with which the ST may feel uncomfortable. Furthermore, prolonged exposure to beta NFs helps Beta STs feel more confident in emotional expression so that they can and do provide more frequent expressions of positive feelings (again, more true of SLE/IEI than LSI/EIE)


    Experience:

    SLEs tell you they like you a lot. Maybe not like all day err-day, but it's frequent enough so that you don't worry about it. Beta ST expression (and this is more true of SLEs than LSIs. LSIs are even less affectionate than SLEs, lol, and Ti subtype is less affectionate than Se subtype) tends to be a lot in quick bursts rather than the frequent, steady expressions of emotion beta NFs provide. Beta STs are like flatline-spike-flatline-spike-flatline-spike when it comes to emotional expression, whereas Beta NFs are like a really, really complicated function with lots of peaks and valleys and points of inflection and stuff (and it's even negative some times, implying expression of anger or whatever). Also Beta NFs can be moody and inconstant with their expressions of emotion based on randomshit, and STs are really good with that, for reasons I cannot actually fathom. (Like srsly, if I were some of my friends, I would've stopped being friends with me. Luckily, they're them and I'm me!).



    Starfall:

    Sad day. The story about the SLE that wants affection is really like a neglected dog. And I mean really, if the damn dog chased off the dude that was trying to rob you, he freakin deserves some steak every now and then. Even if he keeps trying to bite the mailman. (This is a terrible, demeaning analogy).

    And SO TRUE about the "teamwork" thing. That's what a relationship is to me, or at least ideally, especially marriage. A spouse is your partner, your teammate. If you have to escape from World War I to Switzerland together, then you do. You're partners. You're the same. I cover your needs and weaknesses; you cover mine. That's the whole point, isn't it?
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Just have sex with him alot and you two will be chemically bonded, then you can argue like most couples but still be "in love" for a couple years (about five), at which point you'll no longer care about him and you'll be ready to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    Just have sex with him alot and you two will be chemically bonded, then you can argue like most couples but still be "in love" for a couple years (about five), at which point you'll no longer care about him and you'll be ready to move on.
    But no for real this probs has a lot to do with why you're still together.

    Also more external things. You probably have similar underlying bone structure to his mother. He probably reminds you of some boy you wanted to date in high school. You probably exhibit some traits that are opposite from someone who hurt him. All stuff like that as well as the physical/chemical stuff, has very strong power to keep people together, and to make them happy. Psychological compatibility, while nice and very powerful, is not all.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Deltas seem to be pretty independent in that way, while Betas seem to crave a closer "teamwork" kind of companionship.
    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris
    And SO TRUE about the "teamwork" thing. That's what a relationship is to me, or at least ideally, especially marriage. A spouse is your partner, your teammate. If you have to escape from World War I to Switzerland together, then you do. You're partners. You're the same. I cover your needs and weaknesses; you cover mine.
    Yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    This whole thread makes ME sound like SLE.. I always read about how they are so needy of verbal/outward emotional expression and without it, don't know wtf is going on. What about Beta NFs though? Do they only provide the expression and not need it so much? I do both. I'm constantly craving for it and what Starfall wrote about her SLE & his problems with his ex seem like torture to me
    Pure theory:

    Beta NFs use their capacity to intuit the feelings of others, combined with the emotional expression beta STs do provide, to reassure themselves as to the feelings of the beta ST without requiring frequent expressions of emotion with which the ST may feel uncomfortable. Furthermore, prolonged exposure to beta NFs helps Beta STs feel more confident in emotional expression so that they can and do provide more frequent expressions of positive feelings (again, more true of SLE/IEI than LSI/EIE)


    Experience:

    SLEs tell you they like you a lot. Maybe not like all day err-day, but it's frequent enough so that you don't worry about it. Beta ST expression (and this is more true of SLEs than LSIs. LSIs are even less affectionate than SLEs, lol, and Ti subtype is less affectionate than Se subtype) tends to be a lot in quick bursts rather than the frequent, steady expressions of emotion beta NFs provide. Beta STs are like flatline-spike-flatline-spike-flatline-spike when it comes to emotional expression, whereas Beta NFs are like a really, really complicated function with lots of peaks and valleys and points of inflection and stuff (and it's even negative some times, implying expression of anger or whatever). Also Beta NFs can be moody and inconstant with their expressions of emotion based on randomshit, and STs are really good with that, for reasons I cannot actually fathom. (Like srsly, if I were some of my friends, I would've stopped being friends with me. Luckily, they're them and I'm me!).



    Starfall:

    Sad day. The story about the SLE that wants affection is really like a neglected dog. And I mean really, if the damn dog chased off the dude that was trying to rob you, he freakin deserves some steak every now and then. Even if he keeps trying to bite the mailman. (This is a terrible, demeaning analogy).

    And SO TRUE about the "teamwork" thing. That's what a relationship is to me, or at least ideally, especially marriage. A spouse is your partner, your teammate. If you have to escape from World War I to Switzerland together, then you do. You're partners. You're the same. I cover your needs and weaknesses; you cover mine. That's the whole point, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    Just have sex with him alot and you two will be chemically bonded, then you can argue like most couples but still be "in love" for a couple years (about five), at which point you'll no longer care about him and you'll be ready to move on.
    it's true--sex can keep you together for quite awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post

    And SO TRUE about the "teamwork" thing. That's what a relationship is to me, or at least ideally, especially marriage. A spouse is your partner, your teammate. If you have to escape from World War I to Switzerland together, then you do. You're partners. You're the same. I cover your needs and weaknesses; you cover mine. That's the whole point, isn't it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Betas seem to crave a closer "teamwork" kind of companionship.
    This has been my experience with ESTps, especially my cousin(and IEIs to a lesser extent). We seem to naturally mold into this style of partnership, whenever we engage in activity. I don't consider myself Beta but I find the quality very commendable.

    I think the smaller sized the partnership is, the better, in terms of this tendency. I think it works best when communication is being exchanged through direct connection. There is less opportunity for obfuscated messages.
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    We have always considered ourselves a team, possibly also because I met him during a health crisis and when that was done, he had some rough times. There was a great deal of commitment and support early on. We do make a great team.

    SL, he is very expressive when it comes to telling me how he feels about me. I don't know if that is the same for all SLEs and perhaps it just seems to be that way to me because my SLI ex obviously wasn't. He has learned to very much appreciate that I DO things for him rather than tell him how I feel. And the same for me vice versa. Being outwardly affectionate all the time does not seem natural to me, but I ordered Thai food for him yesterday because he was super-stressed and he LOVED the gesture.

    As for SEE vs. SLE, I read him the descriptions of ILI and IEI and he hands down finds IEIs far more appealing. I also do not have nearly this many misunderstandings with SEEs and he is too annoyed with ish contemplations of things. I don't mind considering another type, but SLE seems the most likely. The one thing I am sure of is EP temperament and Se.

    We have A LOT of fun, he makes me laugh all the time and we trust each other. Our strategies to better communication are really working. As a rule, I believe in using Socionics to understand why we communicate the way we do, but I don't use it to predict the outcome of a relationship. So far so good.

    I don't know if it's type-related, but it's very easy to snap each other out of being mad at each other. One of us will make a joke (the more morbid the better - I HAVE been corrupted by SLE humor) and we crack up. So although we do fight more often that I would like to, we also snap out of it quickly.

    I was just wondering, what exactly do IEIs do when SLE is very stressed (e.g. about money)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    We have always considered ourselves a team, possibly also because I met him during a health crisis and when that was done, he had some rough times. There was a great deal of commitment and support early on. We do make a great team.

    SL, he is very expressive when it comes to telling me how he feels about me. I don't know if that is the same for all SLEs and perhaps it just seems to be that way to me because my SLI ex obviously wasn't. He has learned to very much appreciate that I DO things for him rather than tell him how I feel. And the same for me vice versa. Being outwardly affectionate all the time does not seem natural to me, but I ordered Thai food for him yesterday because he was super-stressed and he LOVED the gesture.

    As for SEE vs. SLE, I read him the descriptions of ILI and IEI and he hands down finds IEIs far more appealing. I also do not have nearly this many misunderstandings with SEEs and he is too annoyed with ish contemplations of things. I don't mind considering another type, but SLE seems the most likely. The one thing I am sure of is EP temperament and Se.

    We have A LOT of fun, he makes me laugh all the time and we trust each other. Our strategies to better communication are really working. As a rule, I believe in using Socionics to understand why we communicate the way we do, but I don't use it to predict the outcome of a relationship. So far so good.

    I don't know if it's type-related, but it's very easy to snap each other out of being mad at each other. One of us will make a joke (the more morbid the better - I HAVE been corrupted by SLE humor) and we crack up. So although we do fight more often that I would like to, we also snap out of it quickly.
    Reading this kind of affirms to me that my ex's wife was IEE. She'd always tell him that she showed her love in the little things that she'd do for him, rather than outwardly expressing it. I guess this is where Socionics would have come in handy for them. He'd never understand this. To be honest, he didn't see her way of showing love as love at all. He'd always say, "man, how could that be showing me love? A roommate or friend would do the same things".
    Aww, poor SLE. I know just what he's talking about, and the Fe/Fi thing is a HUGE deal imo. Not bashing Fi-ers -- they see things differently, obv, and that's fine -- but that lack of affection just feels so cold to me. (And if it's cold to me, Fe-base, I can only imagine how it feels for an SLE )

    I was just wondering, what exactly do IEIs do when SLE is very stressed (e.g. about money)?
    SLE's seem to stress about this quite a lot. My ex said that most of the problems that he has with his IEE wife stemmed mostly around money. She'd complain that money was all he cared about. He'd complain that she was bad with it. He couldn't even bring up money without there being a fight.
    I know an EII - SLE-Ti couple (conflict marriages are painful even to watch, by the way!). He also worries a lot about money, and it's caused many problems in their marriage. She takes it as him only caring about money, then goes and spends lots of it behind his back (she's very passive aggressive, and this is part of that), and it's obviously a huge issue. They are both not bad people, but together, it's a very sad thing.


    Wow. See how I know so much about his relationship with his ex wife?? Haha. He'd talk about it constantly. Now I hope most of you understand the reason why I broke up with him in the first place. It was an everyday event/conversation, and I was turning into a broken heart rehabilitation center. A big sign that he obviously wasn't over the relationship & he wasn't emotionally ready for a new one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Wow. See how I know so much about his relationship with his ex wife?? Haha. He'd talk about it constantly. Now I hope most of you understand the reason why I broke up with him in the first place. It was an everyday event/conversation, and I was turning into a broken heart rehabilitation center. A big sign that he obviously wasn't over the relationship & he wasn't emotionally ready for a new one.
    I agree with you. He needs to put all of that behind him before he's ready for a fresh start (with you of course! )

    IEIs do function reeeeally well as therapists for SLEs. I've found myself in that role as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Kim, your SLE sounds a lot like my ex. He was SLE- Se 7w8. People here also VI'd him as LIE, lol. Very outgoing and reckless, haha. He's amazing. We're still best friends.

    Yeah Scarlett, SLE's are both verbally and physically affectionate. Mine would (and still does) always tell me about how wonderful I am & how much he loves me. He always calls me by a bunch of little pet names. He's very physical & loves to keep me close to him. If we were in a restaurant, he'd want me to sit right next to him rather than across. Loves to hug, kiss and grope all the time; always holding my hand or touching me in some way. He is very big on the PDA & has no problem with stuff like making out in public, ect. He's the kind of guy who wants to kiss on every red light. Very much a romantic, like myself.

    I couldn't imagine being with someone who wasn't as outwardly loving & affectionate as myself. I love that stuff.
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    This has been on my mind. I wonder if this pair is even possible. I usually love ENFp's on the surface but once I get to know them a lot of problems start to show up. I think the biggest thing is that they're too nice to me. It makes me feel like an ass hole. The other thing is, in my experience, that ENFp's inner landscape seems like a vast nothing to me. One big lana del ray music video complaining about how life is too hard and how helpless and lonely they feel. Idunno, other ENFp's could be different, but that's been my experience. At least IEI's laugh at others' misfortune from time to time.

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    Just about the worst pairing ever. Can be amazing initially until the IEE realises it's all sales talk and not genuine, the future planning was all just a ploy. Then they feel conned and betrayed. The SLE finds the IEE to be too namby pamby and wants to act out in ever increasing displays of asshollery. It ends very badly. Been there. Spoken with two other IEE's one extensively about very similar scenarios. If you are thinking about it...don't.

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    In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.

    When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.

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    Idunno, when I like someone, I can't stop bragging about them, and when I think someone is dumb, I can't stop complaining about them.

    If I say anything negative that isn't follow up with some sort of question asking "I wonder why she acts that way," it means I've lost all respect for her and don't care anymore. And if I tell anyone that my girlfriend is "fucking retarded," its as good as over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    SLE's are the most tender-hearted around. We have a saying in Dutch: "Big mouth, tiny heart" (tiny heart means one that easily overflows with emotion). So I'll take your denial as a confirmation.
    yesh.

    I have enough room for 1 tiny person. And if they complain that its cramped, they get the boot, or they get to sleep outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    yesh.

    I have enough room for 1 tiny person. And if they complain that its cramped, they get the boot, or they get to sleep outside.
    That's not because you are SLE, but because you're a psychopath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    That's not because you are SLE, but because you're a psychopath.
    You score for primary psychopathy was higher than 96.79% of people who have taken this test.

    You score for secondary psychopathy was higher than 96.75% of people who have taken this test.
    http://personality-testing.info/tests/LSRP.php

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    SLE - Jase Robertson
    IEE - Si Robertson
    Type of relations - Superego

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    ENFp's are hot as hell whenever they aren't ugly as shit. What a shame relationships with them suck so much ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geminatronix View Post
    Just about the worst pairing ever. Can be amazing initially until the IEE realises it's all sales talk and not genuine, the future planning was all just a ploy. Then they feel conned and betrayed. The SLE finds the IEE to be too namby pamby and wants to act out in ever increasing displays of asshollery. It ends very badly. Been there. Spoken with two other IEE's one extensively about very similar scenarios. If you are thinking about it...don't.
    Never been in a romantic relationship with one, but have encountered a more than a few as coworkers. I find them invariably insincere, cutthroat, and acting like they are smarter and more important than they are. If they are smart enough to play the system, it can be a nightmare because you could end up being victimized. However, luckily most of the SLEs i've worked with are not that smart, and everyone else ends up seeing that pretty easily since they are such show-offs.

    On the other hand, smart SLEs might not feel the need to play the system, whereas the dumb ones may be the ones that feel insecure and end up cutting everyone else down to get ahead. So, i'm not totally sure which one is more dangerous, to be honest...

    Regardless, from what i've seen in the workplace, I'd never want to be in a relationship with one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    ENFp's are hot as hell whenever they aren't ugly as shit. What a shame relationships with them suck so much ass.
    Lots of insight here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Never been in a romantic relationship with one, but have encountered a more than a few as coworkers. I find them invariably insincere, cutthroat, and acting like they are smarter and more important than they are. If they are smart enough to play the system, it can be a nightmare because you could end up being victimized. However, luckily most of the SLEs i've worked with are not that smart, and everyone else ends up seeing that pretty easily since they are such show-offs.

    On the other hand, smart SLEs might not feel the need to play the system, whereas the dumb ones may be the ones that feel insecure and end up cutting everyone else down to get ahead. So, i'm not totally sure which one is more dangerous, to be honest...

    Regardless, from what i've seen in the workplace, I'd never want to be in a relationship with one...
    Hmm, interesting. you describe SLE's the same way I describe LSE's.

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    No SLE can pretend to be smart. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Hmm, interesting. you describe SLE's the same way I describe LSE's.
    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    No SLE can pretend to be smart. lol

    I guess it's all a matter of perspective and the way info comes across... and i rest my case! ( j/k)
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    I find IEE's and SLE's are alike in very many ways. Both have to have the last word, both are dominant types, both like to direct conversations and can respect one another. But one was born on mars, one was born on venus, and the journey to compromise is very long and tedious. Its fun and exciting, but the effort it takes to shift toward those emotions is exhausting. Sure, being with them feels like going to vegas. But I'm not gonna drive to vegas every god damn day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ananke View Post
    Are you sure you aren't talking about delta STs in your post....?
    Being that i'm not that confident about my abilities to type, of course i can't be 100% sure, but I think that from an IEE perspective, an LSE/SLI would be seen in a more positive light than an SLE/LSI. Perhaps delta NFs see beta STs the way beta NFs see delta STs...
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